Packers trying for Larry Johnson?

[Patler]

I'm proud of you Patler, that's the most I've seen you challege somebody since some idiot called you "dude" in JSO.

I don't remember that! Of course, now days I often don't remember what I had for breakfast....or if I even had breakfast!

[Scott Campbell]

I don't know what Wist does for a living, but if he does't write lyrics for country music, then he missed his true calling.

[RashanGary]

Ted Thompson has publicly stated that "he cannot fathom a situation" where he would give up next years draft choice. Those are his words - NOT MINE.

I don't remember him ever saying this. I think he said that he has a good feel for the value in the draft he's engauged in and has a hard time judging the value of a future draft. He said he can't fathom trading this years picks for next years picks because he doesn't have a feel for it. He never said that he wouldn't trade a pick for a proven player. A stud player in this case.

[retailguy]

Ted Thompson has publicly stated that "he cannot fathom a situation" where he would give up next years draft choice. Those are his words - NOT MINE.

I don't remember him ever saying this. I think he said that he has a good feel for the value in the draft he's engauged in and has a hard time judging the value of a future draft. He said he can't fathom trading this years picks for next years picks because he doesn't have a feel for it. He never said that he wouldn't trade a pick for a proven player. A stud player in this case.

I really don't know why I bother with you sometimes, you have "selective memory disorder" clearly caused by a kool-aid overdose. I want them to win as badly as you do, but you've got to see the forest man....I'll give you a hint, it's in between all those damn trees!! I read everything!

I remember listening to the audio of his post draft press conference and groaning when I heard him say that. I'm not looking for that, but be my guest, you'll find it if you try...

Here is the article:

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=598767

Notes: Thompson: No deal
General manger rejects Browns' trade offer for first-round pick
By BOB McGINN
bmcginn@journalsentinel.com
Posted: April 30, 2007

Green Bay - The Green Bay Packers turned down a trade offer from the Cleveland Browns on Saturday that would have brought them another first-round draft choice in 2008.

The Cleveland Browns wanted QB Brady Quinn so much, they offered the Packers a 2008 first-round pick.

Green Bay was among about 10 teams that Browns general manager Phil Savage called in a concerted bid to trade up for a first-round pick and select quarterback Brady Quinn of Notre Dame.

Eventually, the Browns located a trade partner in the Dallas Cowboys and got Quinn. In order to move up from the second round (No. 36) to the first round (No. 22), the Browns gave up their first-round pick next year.

Savage said the Browns, who had used the third selection on Wisconsin tackle Joe Thomas, began contacting teams when Buffalo was on the clock at No. 12. Asked if he was close to a deal before Dallas, Savage replied, "Maybe Green Bay."

Having noticed the Packers linked with running back Marshawn Lynch in most mock drafts, Savage guessed that general manager Ted Thompson might be willing to deal the No. 16 selection.

"There were a couple people in our room who were kind of for it," Thompson said. "I didn't dismiss it out of hand but I was never keen to it. We wanted the pick.

"I believe in building and that sort of thing. But I think you have to try to help your team. Quite frankly, I'd rather help us now rather than help us a year from now."

On Saturday, Thompson said he couldn't conceive of a situation in which he would trade a first-round pick in next year's draft.

Camp schedule
The Packers announced that the first practice of training camp would be Saturday, July 28, with all players due to report the previous day. The exhibition season starts Aug. 11.

Because of rules limiting player participation to rookies only, the Packers are referring to their first minicamp as rookie orientation camp. About 20 to 25 players will take part in some drills on Friday, Saturday and Sunday inside the Hutson Center.

The mandatory minicamp for all players is May 18-20. Organized team activities will be open to fans on six tentative dates: May 31 and June 4, 7, 11, 14 and 18.

Meanwhile, team Chairman Bob Harlan and players Nick Barnett, Aaron Rodgers and Mark Tauscher left this morning for a four-day bus trip across the state. Formal stops are scheduled for Superior tonight, Eau Claire on Wednesday, McFarland on Thursday and Racine on Friday.

Little contact
Thompson used the No. 16 pick on defensive tackle Justin Harrell of Tennessee without ever having a substantive conversation with him.

"I saw him at the combine and he was walking by and I shook hands with him," Thompson said. "We might have had about a minute conversation."

Thompson relied on pro scout Reggie McKenzie, a Tennessee graduate, for character references on Harrell.

Harrell's pre-draft visits were to Tampa Bay (fourth pick), San Francisco (11), St. Louis (13), Cincinnati (18), Dallas (22), Kansas City (23) and the New York Jets (25).

Harrell said he had 15-minute interviews at the combine with 29 or 30 teams but Green Bay wasn't one of them.

Close call
The Packers traded down from No. 112 to No. 119 in the fourth round immediately after Buffalo took running back Dwight Wright of Fresno State with the No. 111 pick. Wright didn't know if the Packers were going to take him but thought it was quite possible.

"I spoke with them at the combine and then I also met with their whole offensive staff," Wright said. "I think that was unusual. I think they liked me."

After Pittsburgh moved up to No. 112, the Steelers took the top punter on the Packers' board, Daniel Sepulveda of Baylor. However, Thompson indicated that the Packers weren't considering Sepulveda.

No interest
Thompson said the Packers were never involved in Seattle's lengthy effort to trade wide receiver Darrell Jackson. He went to San Francisco for a fourth-round pick.

Thompson was directing his first draft in 2000 when he helped draft Jackson in the third round.

[RashanGary]

Thompson never said that, the reporter did.

Thompson said he couldn't trade value that he knew he had now for something he couldnt' judge later.

In this case he would be trading for something tangable now for something he doesn't know later. You are so far off that I think what you are saying is exactly the opposite of what he said.

[retailguy]

Thompson never said that, the reporter did.

Thompson said he couldn't trade value that he knew he had now for something he couldnt' judge later.

In this case he would be trading for something tangable now for something he doesn't know later. You are so far off that I think it what you are saying is exactly the opposite of what he said.

Go listen to the press conference. McGinn got it right. You'll see.

[RashanGary]

"There were a couple people in our room who were kind of for it," Thompson said. "I didn't dismiss it out of hand but I was never keen to it. We wanted the pick.
How does "I didn't dismiss it out of hand" turn into "Thompson couldn't fathom trading next years pick?"

"I believe in building and that sort of thing. But I think you have to try to help your team. Quite frankly, I'd rather help us now rather than help us a year from now."
How is not wanting to give up something he knew he had at 16 this year for something he can't judge next year, in his words by the way, the same thing as getting a proven playmaker now for a pick he can't judge later?



RG, you've said many times that you respected and related to the way Sherman went about his buisness. You've spoke about how you relate to the way he does things, sometimes it seemed like he remined you of. . . Well, "you".

Where am I going with this? Well, you see so much of yourself in Sherman that to admit Thompson is a good GM would be to admit Sherman is a bad GM as they are polar opposites. Thompson shredded everything Sherman did and he did it in an almost confrontational way. You will never admit Sherman was a failure becuase to admit that would be to admit your very own approach came up short. You can't admit that because you have too much pride.

The only reason I say this is because the sheer idiocy that you display at times can only be understood by me if there is a self protection factor in it. You are a smart man, a guy I respect, but you are so blind and idiotic when it comes to Thompson that you just cannot even understand plain english at times. Seriously, Thompson succeeding doesn't mean you are less of a person. You don't need to put him donw to make yourself feel better.

[Rastak]

I don't know what Wist does for a living, but if he does't write lyrics for country music, then he missed his true calling.

[RashanGary]

RG,

I listened to that conference like 4 or 5 times slowly rewinding it and gathering what was being said. I don't even have to listen to it right now becuase I remember the message.

Thompson said, in his conference, that he was able to judge talent in the current draft "harrell in this instance" but he was unable to project future drafts as he did not know what would be there. He said he had a hard time giving up NOW what he knew was good value for soemthing later that he could not project or grasp as there was too much unknown.

How is not wanting to give up what he considered high value now for guess work later the same thing as now wanting to give up guess work later for something proven now?

It is the exact opposite and further proof to me that a smart man like yourself can be completely blinded into idiocy by emotion.

[retailguy]

"There were a couple people in our room who were kind of for it," Thompson said. "I didn't dismiss it out of hand but I was never keen to it. We wanted the pick.
How does "I didn't dismiss it out of hand" turn into "Thompson couldn't fathom trading next years pick?"

"I believe in building and that sort of thing. But I think you have to try to help your team. Quite frankly, I'd rather help us now rather than help us a year from now."
How is not wanting to give up something he knew he had at 16 this year for something he can't judge next year, in his words by the way, the same thing as getting a proven playmaker now for a pick he can't judge later?



RG, you've said many times that you respected and related to the way Sherman went about his buisness. You've spoke about how you relate to the way he does things, sometimes it seemed like he remined you of. . . Well, "you".

Where am I going with this? Well, you see so much of yourself in Sherman that to admit Thompson is a good GM would be to admit Sherman is a bad GM as they are polar opposites. Thompson shredded everything Sherman did and he did it in an almost confrontational way. You will never admit Sherman was a failure becuase to admit that would be to admit your very own approach came up short. You can't admit that because you have too much pride.

The only reason I say this is because the sheer idiocy that you display at times can only be understood by me if there is a self protection factor in it. You are a smart man, a guy I respect, but you are so blind and idiotic when it comes to Thompson that you just cannot even understand plain english at times. Seriously, Thompson succeeding doesn't mean you are less of a person. You don't need to put him donw to make yourself feel better.

Umm... I don't know where you get all this, at all. Believe whatever you want, but this didn't have anything to do with Mike Sherman, and I don't see myself as similar to him. I respect Mike Sherman the PERSON. I think he did a damn good job here, and it was a shame he got fired.

Two years past that, it probably was the best thing for this franchise, but still a shame.

As I have said a hundred times before, I don't hate Ted Thompson, I'm just disappointed in the short term plan. VERY DISAPPOINTED.

But if you think for a minute that Ted Thompson is giving up draft choices (yes, PLURAL), for a 27 year old running back who wants the richest RB contract in NFL history, AND has "toted the pigskin" 900 times in the past two seasons, you've lost your ever loving mind.

It isn't happening.

[RashanGary]

RG, if you go listen to that press conference with an open mind and come here and say that Thompson said he'd never give up a future pick then either you have the greatest imagination in the world or you can read minds.

Thompson said that he knew the value he had today and he did not know what woudl be there tomorrow. He said he would not give up something he knew he had now for something he could not predict tomorrow. He said he wouldn't trade Harrell "the player he had at 16" for a pick that he had no clue about tomorrow. Taht is what he said and it was fairly clear to any rational human being. I ask any of the reasonable posters here "Rastak, Patler, Harvey, ect. . . " to go and listen to that. I think anyone would come back saying what I just said in their own words.

You are right that it is unlikely becuase Larry Johnson wants an incredibly rich contract and we'd likely have to give up more than just a 1st round pick. It certainly is unlikely but that has nothing to do with how distorted your recollection of Thompsons message was. You really do hear what you want to hear and I'm not trying to be a prick because everything else you say I respect and will continue to but from this point forward I have lost respect for anything you say about Thompson. I'm sorry but for all the good you bring and all that you know, you are completely blind and ignorant when it comes to Ted Thompson.

[BallHawk]

[BallHawk]

[retailguy]

So tell me Ballhawk, which one is me? Do I win or lose? :P

[BallHawk]

So tell me Ballhawk, which one is me? Do I win or lose? :P

You both end up getting killed by the dog.