COMPLETE COVERAGE-NFC NORTH: PACK FINISH 1st, 2nd...?

[oregonpackfan]

I think a 2nd place finish in the weak NFC-North is a reasonable prediction. The Bears will not be as strong but will still win a couple games more than the Packers.

As for the Lions, Jon Kitna will be munching on Crow for his Thanksgiving dinner.

I think the Vikings will finish 3rd with all the rebuilding they have to do.

[Rastak]

I think a 2nd place finish in the weak NFC-North is a reasonable prediction. The Bears will not be as strong but will still win a couple games more than the Packers.

As for the Lions, Jon Kitna will be munching on Crow for his Thanksgiving dinner.

I think the Vikings will finish 3rd with all the rebuilding they have to do.

Yea, the Vikings are kind of a wildcard. If Childress really is an idiot they finish 4th. If not, they have a really young offense at the skill positions so I can't predict anything bold....it's really hard to say.

[4and12to12and4]

1. Da Bears 10-6
2. Lions 8-8
3. Pack 8-8 (less division wins)
4. Viqueens 5-11

Dear god, I hope I'm wrong

[BEARMAN]

1. Da Bears 10-6
2. Lions 8-8
3. Pack 8-8 (less division wins)
4. Viqueens 5-11

Dear god, I hope I'm wrong

You are not wrong, ... looks like you hit the nail on the head.

1. Da BEARS 12-4
2. Lions 8-8
3. Packers 7-9
4. Vikes 4-12

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update

[Jimx29]

Re: SCOUT VIEW

gap between the two teams is still very sizeable....

Not as long as wrex is at qb.

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FAN NATION VIEW

Note: Impressed by Patriots offseason moves, Fan Nation picks them to be the next Super Bowl winners.

http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/8978

NFL Season Predictions: NFC

NFC North -- 1) Chicago 2) Green Bay 3) Minnesota 4) Detriot

NFC South -- 1) New Orleans 2) Carolina 3) Atlanta 4) Tampa Bay

NFC East -- 1) Philadelphia 2) Dallas* 3) Washington 4) New York Giants

NFC West -- 1) San Francisco 2) Seattle* 3) St. Louis 4) Arizona

[woodbuck27]

It's really too early to predict just what our record may be, till we see if there is any appreciable improvement on our OL.

That OL will be the key for any success we may enjoy as Packer fans.

Alot of fans say that we will win alot of games just based on our 'D', Yet that 'D' didn't get on the hinge till we got deep into last season. Then we saw the Vikings and Bears roll over for us late in the season; other wins came fr. weak teams.

We were not in any game against a legitimate team. We looked aweful and that was when we had a proven RB in AG.

The questions I ask about our 'D' are these:

Will the DL step up again and stop the oppositions run?

Can we be as successful with the sacks as we saw last season and gain on the turnover ratio?

With the latest threat of seeing Nick Barnett suspended and the doubtful growth in Poppinga and the fact that alot of added pressure will be placed on AJ Hawk. How will our linebacking unit perform?

Is Nick Collins for real and who do we have to play SS?

Will one more season tacked onto the careers of Woodson and Harris harm their effectiveness?

GO PACKERS !!

[Packnut]

Questions

It's really too early to predict just what our record may be, till we see if there is any appreciable improvement on our OL.

That OL will be the key for any success we may enjoy as Packer fans.

Alot of fans say that we will win alot of games just based on our 'D', Yet that 'D' didn't get on the hinge till we got deep into last season. Then we saw the Vikings and Bears roll over for us late in the season; other wins came fr. weak teams.

We were not in any game against a legitimate team. We looked aweful and that was when we had a proven RB in AG.

The questions I ask about our 'D' are these:

Will the DL step up again and stop the oppositions run?

Can we be as successful with the sacks as we saw last season and gain on the turnover ratio?

With the latest threat of seeing Nick Barnett suspended and the doubtful growth in Poppinga and the fact that alot of added pressure will be placed on AJ Hawk. How will our linebacking unit perform?

Is Nick Collins for real and who do we have to play SS?

Will one more season tacked onto the careers of Woodson and Harris harm their effectiveness?

GO PACKERS !!

About the only one I would venture a guess at is Woodson and Harris. Both are studs and should not have any drop-off.

The other questions won't be answered for quite a while yet. The kool-aid boys will tell ya all our starters are pro-bowlers and the rookies are gonna stun the league. :P

[Zool]

Re: Questions

It's really too early to predict just what our record may be, till we see if there is any appreciable improvement on our OL.

That OL will be the key for any success we may enjoy as Packer fans.

Alot of fans say that we will win alot of games just based on our 'D', Yet that 'D' didn't get on the hinge till we got deep into last season. Then we saw the Vikings and Bears roll over for us late in the season; other wins came fr. weak teams.

We were not in any game against a legitimate team. We looked aweful and that was when we had a proven RB in AG.

The questions I ask about our 'D' are these:

Will the DL step up again and stop the oppositions run?

Can we be as successful with the sacks as we saw last season and gain on the turnover ratio?

With the latest threat of seeing Nick Barnett suspended and the doubtful growth in Poppinga and the fact that alot of added pressure will be placed on AJ Hawk. How will our linebacking unit perform?

Is Nick Collins for real and who do we have to play SS?

Will one more season tacked onto the careers of Woodson and Harris harm their effectiveness?

GO PACKERS !!

About the only one I would venture a guess at is Woodson and Harris. Both are studs and should not have any drop-off.

The other questions won't be answered for quite a while yet. The kool-aid boys will tell ya all our starters are pro-bowlers and the rookies are gonna stun the league. :P

On the other hand, the non-koolaid drinkers think our guys couldn't start for the Toronto Argonauts.

[wist43]

In general, I like the talent on the defensive side of the ball; however - see my standard scheme argument.

What could be the biggest challenge for the defense might be something that is completely beyond their control - i.e. ball control by the offense.

If the Packers can't pick up first downs consistently, the defense will wear down as they're on the field a disproportionate amount of the time. Even a 28/32 split in TOP could be enough to devastate the run defense.

In no way can I see the triumvirate of Jackson, Morency, and Herron as being nearly as capable as Green in short yardage.

Over the course of the season, that shortcoming, or potential shortcoming, could spell disaster for the defense.

[oregonpackfan]

In general, I like the talent on the defensive side of the ball; however - see my standard scheme argument.

What could be the biggest challenge for the defense might be something that is completely beyond their control - i.e. ball control by the offense.

If the Packers can't pick up first downs consistently, the defense will wear down as they're on the field a disproportionate amount of the time. Even a 28/32 split in TOP could be enough to devastate the run defense.

In no way can I see the triumvirate of Jackson, Morency, and Herron as being nearly as capable as Green in short yardage.

Over the course of the season, that shortcoming, or potential shortcoming, could spell disaster for the defense.

I agree with your points, Wist. The Packers' offense needs to stay on the field to give some rest for the defense.

Unless the Packers pick up a quality free agent RB, the overall running game is going to be weak, IMO.

[packers04]

newsflash

newsflash: vernand morency was the better back by week 16 than ahman green in my opinion. check out the highlights of the last 6 games. mostly vernand.

[wist43]

Re: newsflash

newsflash: vernand morency was the better back by week 16 than ahman green in my opinion. check out the highlights of the last 6 games. mostly vernand.

Vernand Morency and Ahman Green are two completely different types of backs.

Morency needs space to operate and goes down with the first fingernail that touches him. He's not an every down back IMO, and in the opinion of a majority of scouts and analysts. The Packers brass is almost alone - except for the Kool-Aid drinkers who worship every word that comes out of 1265 - in their belief that Morency can be an every down back.

Green is aging, and the injury he suffered two years ago could be the beginning of the end; but, he did come back convincingly last year. Of course Green is no longer in his prime, but he's still a very tough, instinctive runner, and still possesses home run ability.

The biggest problem the Packers are going to have in replacing Green is finding someone who can pick up 1st downs in short yardage. Smallish/finesse OL, smallish/finesse RB's... they're going to have to spead the field, and throw enough in those situations in the hope of moving some bodies out of the box. I'm skeptical to say the least.

[MJZiggy]

Last I heard no one's asking Morency to be an every down back...and toward the end of the season last year, Green was no every down back either.