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    Ready for battle: Draft picks could vie for starting roles.

    Last season, General Manager Ted Thompson's draft class turned out four full-time starters and another who was a part-time starter. This year, there's at least a chance the Green Bay Packers' latest class could match the 2006 contingent that saw linebacker A.J. Hawk, guards Daryn Colledge and Jason Spitz and receiver Greg Jennings morph into full-time starters (when healthy) and another offensive lineman, Tony Moll, serve as a fill-in starter when injuries hit. When training camp opens in 27 days, the Packers will hold open competitions for no fewer than six starting positions, including kicker, and there's a strong possibility more than half of those will be filled by rookie draft picks.

    "I think some of the rookies, by necessity, are going to have to play and play quite a bit," offensive coordinator Joe Philbin said at the conclusion of last month's organized team activities. "A bunch of them, unless in pads they totally look different, look like they can really play." Based on how players lined up during the minicamps and OTAs, it appears the most unsettled positions are: fullback, running back and tight end on offense, defensive tackle and safety on defense and kicker on special teams. The battle at running back between third-year pro Vernand Morency and second-round draft pick Brandon Jackson from Nebraska likely will be the most intriguing. Perhaps only the competition at the kicking spot, between incumbent Dave Rayner and sixth-round draft pick Mason Crosby/b] of Colorado, will be more closely scrutinized because of the nature of the kicking position, which is purely a make-or-miss contest.

    "That backfield group is a big group of young guys
    that's far from being settled," Philbin said. "The dust hasn't settled at all." The same could be said at fullback, where the only returning player with any NFL experience is Brandon Miree. A trio of rookies, including sixth-round pick Korey Hall (a converted linebacker from Boise State), could be in the mix. Only the full-contact nature of training camp will show whether Hall can make the switch from defense. A pair of undrafted rookies looked promising during the OTAs. Ryan Powdrell of Southern California and Corey White of Alabama-Birmingham might have a shot at not only making the roster but winning the starting spot. "Powdrell looks like he has some football in him," Philbin said. "Hall looks the same way, and Corey White has some skills athletically."

    The other starting spot on offense that appears to be up in the air is tight end, where long-time starter Bubba Franks worked more often with the backups than the No. 1 offense this offseason. However, it appears unlikely that seventh-round draft pick Clark Harris of Rutgers is ready to be a starter. If Franks doesn't start, the best bet is fifth-year pro Donald Lee, whose best season was 2005, when he caught 33 passes and had two touchdowns. At least one rookie — and possibly two — will see significant playing time when Philbin and coach Mike McCarthy employ multiple-receiver sets. The pecking order behind starters Donald Driver and Greg Jennings is far from set. Thompson used a third-round pick on James Jones of San Jose State likely with the expectation that he can be a No. 3 immediately and an eventual starter. Fifth-round pick David Clowney of Virginia Tech also could contribute as a No. 4 or No. 5 receiver. "That's a tougher position to break into," Philbin said of the receiver spot. "But I like what they've done. It's been a good group so far."

    The only open positions on defense, barring injuries, are at safety and defensive tackle. Thompson used a third-round pick on towering safety Aaron Rouse, who is 6-foot-4. Rouse could push Marquand Manuel, the 2006 free agent from Seattle who struggled last season. So could second-year pro Marviel Underwood, who missed all of last season due to a knee injury. At the defensive tackle spot next to Ryan Pickett, it's a good bet that first-round draft pick Justin Harrell will be the opening-day starter. However, Harrell was held out of most offseason drills other than a few individual periods because of his injury last year at Tennessee. He tore the biceps tendon in his left arm and missed all but three games. He's expected to be cleared before training camp opens. Fourth-year pro Corey Williams had been slotted in as the starter before the Packers picked Harrell and could beat him out if Harrell isn't recovered from his injury....
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    NO CLEAR FAVORITE AT TIGHT END.

    Tight ends Donald Lee and Tory Humphrey split snaps with the first-string offense throughout the offseason workouts, but it would be a mistake to read too much into that. According to a person familiar with the situation, veteran Bubba Franks is still very much in the picture. “Mike McCarthy wanted to give the young guys a chance,” said the source. “He doesn't know exactly what he has in Lee and Humphrey. On the other hand, he knows exactly what he has in Franks.” And that’s the problem. The former No. 1 draft choice is coming off back-to-back poor seasons, and at age 29, appears to be on his last legs.

    McCarthy would love for one of the young tight ends to step up and claim the job, but based on the minicamps and the OTAs, that may be wishful thinking. “Neither Lee nor Humphrey really took advantage of the opportunity,” said a former scout who attended about 10 practices during the offseason. “They certainly look the part athletically, but they don’t seem to get much done. Based on what I saw in May and June, I wouldn’t feel comfortable with either player starting at tight end come September.” As for Franks, the three-time Pro Bowler lost quite a bit of weight during the offseason and looks like a different person. “I almost didn’t recognize him - until he started to run his routes,” said the scout. “Then, unfortunately, he looked like the same old Bubba. He’s just too slow to separate from defenders and too stiff to create anything after the catch. On the positive side, he didn’t drop many passes....”
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    Projected Depth Chart [PN'S VIEW]

    Quarterback

    Brett Favre-Brett Favre will be the starting quarterback for another season unless he gets hurt (lets hope not). I think Brett will have an above average year. No he will not play like the old Brett but I think he will still be one of the best quarterbacks in the league. I think he will also break several passing records this season. First he will break the most career victories for a quarterback. (He only needs one. If we don’t get that the Packers are in serious trouble). Brett will also break the all time TD record (he needs 6 I believe). Brett will also break the INT record (he only needs 4 more). Finally he could break the passing yard record (I think he needs around 3,600 yards).
    Aaron Rodgers-Aaron Rodgers will once again sit on the bench. I think he will show Packer fans in training camp and the preseason that he will be ready to take over once Brett retires. I am expecting that Rodgers will be an above average starting quarterback once Brett retires.
    Ingle Martin-Ingle Martin will make the team by default. While I don’t think he is bad, I think he needs a lot of work. He has great arm strength but he needs to work on his accuracy if he wants to become anything more than a third stringer.

    Running Back:

    Vernand Morency-Last year Morency had an on and off season. This year I think he will be an average starter. He will start the first couple of games while splitting carries with Brandon Jackson. By midseason I think he will become the backup. Overall I think he will have around 600-700 and 5 touchdowns.
    Brandon Jackson-I think Jackson will start as the backup and eventually become the starter. I think by the end of the season we will show us how good he can be. By looking at highlights I can see Barry Sanders qualities....By the end of the season I think he will have between 600-700 yards and 5 touchdowns. After this season he will be our starter for years to come.
    Deshawn Wynn-I know he has work ethic and attitude problems but I think he will still make the team. I think he will start off slow but will eventually become a great compliment to Jackson in the future. He will be the power back while Jackson is the speed back.

    Fullback:

    Brandon Miree-Although he didn’t have a great season last year, I think Brandon Miree will still make the roster this year. With another year of experience under his belt I think he will be an average starter. I think he will eventually need to be replaced though.
    Korey Hall-Since there is an roster spot left Kory Hall will make the team as a special teams player. He will also learn how to play the fullback position (he was a linebacker in college) and maybe will be good enough to start next year.

    Wide Receivers:

    Donald Driver-Donald Driver will have another big year. Donald Driver will make the Pro Bowl once again. I think he will have a bigger year this year since he will have a healthy Greg Jennings and Koren Robinson to help him out.
    Greg Jennings-Greg Jennings will improve on last season. I think he will get 1,000 yards and will be a good #2.
    James Jones-Even though a lot of people criticized his selection he has been showing his critics how good he can actually be. He has done great so far. He has caught every pass that has come close to him. I think he will be a good number 3 and number 4 once Koren Robinson comes back. He will be a good jump ball receiver in the very least.
    Ruvell Martin-Ruvell Martin has been a solid receiver for the Packers. He will be a good pocession receiver. Once Koren Robinson’s suspension is over either Martin or Holliday will be cut.
    Carlyle Holiday-Carlyle Holiday surprised a lot of people last season. Once Koren Robinson’s suspension is over either Holliday or Martin will be cut.
    David Clowney-Although David Clowney is a project I think he will make the team. He will be the kick and punt returner and I think he will be a very good one since he is so fast. After 2 or 3 years I think Clowney could be a good number 2 or number 3 receiver.
    After week 6 Koren Robinson will be added to the roster (once his suspension is over). I think the first couple weeks since being back he will be rusty but after that I think he will be our #3 receiver and will provide a good big play receiver for Brett Favre.

    Tight End:

    Bubba Franks-While I don’t think Bubba Franks will be good this year, I think he will rebound a little from last year. Bubba will still be a good blocking TE, and an average receiving TE.
    Donald Lee-Donald Lee needs to step up this year or he probably won’t make the team next year. Lee had a horrible year last year. If he can show more of the flashes he showed in the 2005 season I think he will be our leading receiving TE.
    Zac Alcorn-The coaching staff has been in love with this kid ever since he joined the team. I have heard from some reports that he has some of the best hands on the team. If Alcorn lives up to his potential he might be able to start before the year is over.

    Offensive Line:

    RT Mark Tauscher-Mark Tauscher returns for another year. Mark didn’t have his best year last year. I think he will rebound and have a good year. Hopefully he can finally get enough respect around the league and get the Pro Bowl invite he has deserved for years now.
    G Daryn Colledge-I think this will be Daryn Colledge’s breakout year. The zone blocking scheme is perfect for him. He improved as a player every week last year and I think he will continue to improve. By the end of the year he will be an above average guard and after his third year he will be a great Guard.
    C Scott Wells-Scott Wells was probably our best offensive lineman last year. I think he will have another good year this year.
    G Jason Spitz-I think Spitz will have a pretty good year but he will be the weakness of the offensive line.
    LT Chad Clifton-Clifton has been hurt a lot in the past couple of years. This offseason is very promising for him though. I have heard from several places he is the healthiest he has been in years at this point in the year. Lets hope Clifton avoids the injury bug this year.
    Tony Moll-Tony Moll was one of the surprise players of last year. I think Tony Moll will be a great backup this year at both the tackle and guard position. I think Tony Moll will also be groomed to take over for either Tauscher or Clifton (probably Clifton because he is so injury prone).
    Allen Barbre-Don’t expect to see much from him this year. Barbre is a huge project. He will sit on the bench for at least two years if not more before he can break the starting lineup (unless someone gets hurt).
    Junius Coston-Coston will make the team by default. Unless one of the undrafted rookies can show something Coston will get the job. (Lets hope one steps up since Coston can’t seem to live up to his potential. Tony Palmer is the most likely too.)

    Defensive

    Defensive Line:

    Aaron Kampman (DE Starter)-After last year expectations are high for Kampman. I think he will fulfill them. He has a great defensive line to go with him now so he shouldn’t get double teamed as much anymore. I think Kampman will put up very similar stats to last year.
    Cullen Jenkins (DE Starter on running plays and starting DT on passing plays)-Cullen Jenkins had a great end to his last season which got him a huge payday this offseason. Once Jenkins got moved to DE last season he started to show how could he could actually be. On running downs Jenkins will play DE. Our run defense should be great this year because we will practically have 3 DTs on the field with Jenkins, Pickett, and Harrell. On passing plays Jenkins will move inside and play DT so KGB can come in on passing plays. I think we are going to have the best pass rushing defensive line in the league. We will have KGB and Kampman at DE, and Jenkins and Corey Williams at DT. We will have four sack masters on the field at the same time. How can you beat that.
    Ryan Pickett-While Pickett didn’t get all the stats like other DTs in the league last year he was still one of the best DTs in the league last year. Pickett is a great role player. His job on the team is to open holes so linebackers can make plays, and stuff the run. I think Pickett will have another great year but will still not have the stats to back it up though.
    Justin Harrell-Picking Harrell in the first round upset a lot of people. I think Harrell will turn out to be a great player though. This year I think he will only play on running downs as a run stuffer though. His biggest strength is his run stuffing anyways. Harrell is a mountain of a man and should do a great job clearing space in the middle to tackle the running back behind the line. Lets hope he stays healthy though. After this year I think we will use him more on passing downs.
    Corey Williams-Corey Williams was hurt the most by the Harrell pick but he will still get a lot of playing time on this team. Williams won’t be playing on running downs. Williams will mostly be playing on passing downs. Last year even in his limited amount of playing time he was one of the leaders in sacks for DTs. I expect that to continue this year.
    Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila-This year KGB has been demoted to pass rush specialist. He should have always been a pass rushing specialist. I think he will get double digit sacks this year since he will only have to focus and use all of his energy just on pass rushing.
    Colin Cole-Colin Cole has been a really good backup and situational player for the Packers.
    Jason Hunter-I think Hunter will make the team again. I think the Packers will groom Hunter to be KGBs replacement as pass rushing specialist. Last training camp and preseason showed us that Hunter has enough speed. If he continues to improve his talent I think he could become a great pass rushing specialist.

    Linebackers:

    AJ Hawk-AJ started out a little slow last year but ended off the year on a high note. He showed why he was worth the #5 pick. This year I expect him to become one of the top linebackers in the entire league and would be shocked if he didn’t make the pro bowl. AJ will lead possibly the best linebacking crew in the NFL.
    Nick Barnett-Nick Barnett got a big contract extension this offseason lets hope his play lives up to his new salary. I expect him to play at least as well as he did last season. I actually expect him to play a little better because I think Harrell will open up a lot of holes up the middle which will give Nick Barnett more opportunities to make plays behind the line of scrimmage. Maybe this year Nick Barnett will finally make the pro bowl.
    Brady Poppinga-How can you not like his enthusiasm. Poppinga had some problems in coverage last year but he seemed to improve throughout the season. I think his coverage skills will continue to improve.
    Abdul Hodge-Abdul Hodge had a great training camp last year and many wanted to move him outside so he could start last season. I doubt he will be moved this year. He will be a great backup though and might get to play some on running downs.
    Juwan Simpson-Juwan Simpson was one of our undrafted rookies. The main reason he wasn’t drafted was because of his attitude and he has some behavior problems. I heard somewhere that if he didn’t have character problems he probably would have been drafted around the third round. If Simpson can overcome his character problems he has enough talent to make this team.
    Desmond Bishop-Desmond Bishop was the linebacker we chose in the sixth round this year that we are actually keeping at linebacker. I don’t think Bishop will get any time at linebacker this year unless several linebackers get hurt. Bishop will be a backup and a special teams master. In college he was amazing at special teams and I think that is where we will use him the most. I think he will eventually become an above average backup.

    Cornerbacks:

    Al Harris-Al Harris will have another great year and will be one of the best shutdown corners in the league. Hopefully he can finally make the Pro Bowl like he deserve to.
    Charles Woodson-Charles Woodson started off a little slow last year but ended strong with 8 interceptions. I expect to have at least as many interceptions as he had last year.
    Will Blackmon-If Will Blackmon can actually stay healthy I think he will be a very good #3 and will eventually be a starter. Will he stay healthy is the question though? Will we see him as the #3 or on the IR?
    Frank Walker-Frank Walker was the only FA added this offseason. I think he will decent year.
    Patrick Dendy-I have never been a big fan of Patrick Dendy but I though he did a pretty good job as the #3 corner last year.
    Jarret Bush-Jarret Bush only played special teams last year but I think he could do pretty well as a CB. In the OTA practice I went to he had two really good INTS.

    Safeties:

    Nick Collins-I think Nick Collins will have a bounce back year. I think he will finally show how good he can really be. I think this will be his breakout year.
    Marviel Underwood-If Marviel Underwood wouldn’t have gotten hurt last year I believe he would have started. He had a great training camp and showed that he could be a turnover machine. I think he will stay healthy and be the starter this year.
    Aaron Rouse-I think Aaron Rouse has a chance to start part way through the year if either Underwood falters or he shows flashes of brilliance.
    Tyrone Culver-I was pleasantly surprised by Culver last year. He was a good backup and spot starter last year.
    Atari Bigby-The Packers have always been high on him, but I never have been.

    Special Teams

    Kicker:

    Mason Crosby-I think Mason Crosby will get the job because he has as accurate and a stronger leg than Dave Rayner. In OTAs he consistently kicked the ball 5 yards further than Rayner. I expect this position will come down to the last week of training camp.

    Punter:

    Jon Ryan-Jon Ryan almost gets this position by default. He technically has competition but there is really no way that he can beat Ryan. The Packers are also working with Ryan in order to improve his hang time. This should make him a better punter.

    Long Snapper:

    Rob Davis-I have never thought the long snapper position was very important. The Packers have always thought it is though. Rob Davis will get the job unless Clark Harris can show that he is a good long snapper. The good thing about Rob Davis is that he provides veteran leadership.

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    If Marviel Underwood stays healthy, I think he has a realistic shot at getting the starting safety gig.
    "I've got one word for you- Dallas, Texas, Super Bowl"- Jermichael Finley

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    • #3
      Underwood

      Originally posted by BallHawk
      If Marviel Underwood stays healthy, I think he has a realistic shot at getting the starting safety gig.
      From your keyboard to God's ears.........

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      • #4
        Originally posted by BallHawk
        If Marviel Underwood stays healthy, I think he has a realistic shot at getting the starting safety gig.
        I'd hope so

        But a torn ACL is tough and takes most players two years to fully recover

        Season one is often a lot of working through aches, pains, and mobility challenges
        TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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        • #5
          I stopped reading when you said Brandon Jackson can be the next Barry Sanders, way too much kool-aid for me.
          "I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious." - Vince Lombardi

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          • #6
            ROSTER BATTLES' PACKER NATION POLLS



            Which draft choice will make the biggest impact on special teams....?

            James Jones 36%
            Allen Barbre 7%
            Korey Hall 22%
            Mason Crosby 24%
            Other 8%

            Who's your pick to be the Packers' kick returner....?

            Vernand Morency 19%
            Shaun Bodiford 15%
            Brandon Jackson 18%
            David Clowney 39%
            Other 8%

            Which of these 2006 draft choices will make the biggest impact?

            DT Johnny Jolly 12%
            S Tyrone Culver 12%
            CB Will Blackmon 39%
            LB Abdul Hodge 36%




            Which rookie will contribute more in 2007? [RANKED BY VOTES]

            1.RB Brandon Jackson [WIDE MARGIN]
            2.K Mason Crosby
            3.DT Justin Harrell
            4.WR James Jones
            5.S Aaron Rouse
            6.WR David Clowney
            7.RB DeShawn Wynn
            8.TE Clark Harris

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            • #7
              JW

              Originally posted by Bretsky
              Originally posted by BallHawk
              If Marviel Underwood stays healthy, I think he has a realistic shot at getting the starting safety gig.
              I'd hope so

              But a torn ACL is tough and takes most players two years to fully recover

              Season one is often a lot of working through aches, pains, and mobility challenges
              Unless your name is Javon Walker

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              • #8
                Re: JW

                Originally posted by Packnut
                Originally posted by Bretsky
                Originally posted by BallHawk
                If Marviel Underwood stays healthy, I think he has a realistic shot at getting the starting safety gig.
                I'd hope so

                But a torn ACL is tough and takes most players two years to fully recover

                Season one is often a lot of working through aches, pains, and mobility challenges
                Unless your name is Javon Walker

                But that's because "he's a soldier"!

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                • #9
                  SCOUT'S VIEW: 53 MAN ROSTER, ROOKIES, RBS, WRS....

                  TOP HAT'S BONUS: REQUESTED ARTICLES ADDED TO BARNETT & PACK YEAR
                  THREADS TOO PER BRETSKY'S HOLY GRAIL TURTLE.





                  Gazing into crystal ball. Prediction of which 53 players will begin 2007 season for Packers.

                  Training camp has not even begun, but some of us are wondering who the Green Bay Packers will break camp with to open the 2007 regular season.
                  Lots of things can still occur. Ted Thompson may find a player or two that can help the Pack in 2007 on other rosters or via free agency. Also, lots of guys can look pretty good in shorts (mini-camps), but falter when the pads come on (training camp). Finally, the Packers will most likely bring back WR/KR Koren Robinson in late September when his suspension is over, if Commissioner Roger Goodell is satisfied with his penance. Nick Barnett might also be facing some sort of suspension due to his recent nightclub incident. Anyway, let's name the 53 players that will open up the season against Philadelphia at home on September 9:

                  Quarterback(3)
                  Brett Favre
                  Aaron Rodgers
                  Ingle Martin

                  Running Back(3)
                  Vernand Morency
                  Brandon Jackson
                  Noah Herron

                  Fullback(2)
                  Brandon Miree
                  DeShawn Wynn [?]

                  Wide Receiver(6)
                  Donald Driver
                  Greg Jennings
                  James Jones
                  Ruvell Martin
                  Carlyle Holiday
                  David Clowney

                  Tight End(3)
                  Bubba Franks
                  Donald Lee
                  Clark Harris

                  Offensive Line(9)
                  Chad Clifton
                  Daryn Colledge
                  Scott Wells
                  Jason Spitz
                  Mark Tauscher
                  Tony Moll
                  Tony Palmer
                  Allen Barbre
                  Junius Coston

                  Defensive Line(8)
                  Aaron Kampman
                  Ryan Pickett
                  Corey Williams
                  Cullen Jenkins
                  Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila
                  Justin Harrell
                  Michael Montgomery
                  Johnny Jolly

                  Linebacker(7)
                  A.J. Hawk
                  Nick Barnett
                  Brady Poppinga
                  Abdul Hodge
                  Korey Hall
                  Juwan Simpson
                  Desmond Bishop

                  Defensive Back(9)
                  Al Harris
                  Nick Collins
                  Marquand Manuel
                  Charles Woodson
                  Marviel Underwood
                  Aaron Rouse
                  Will Blackmon
                  Frank Walker
                  Patrick Dendy

                  Long Snapper(1)
                  Rob Davis

                  Kicker(1)
                  Mason Crosby

                  Punter(1)
                  Jon Ryan

                  One of the receivers will go when/if Robinson comes back. Clowney needs to beat out Shaun Bodiford, so he needs to show some kick return ability.

                  I think Hall will go back to linebacker as opposed to fullback. He makes the team because of his special teams prowess, as does some other linebackers.

                  There will be some veteran cuts like Robert Ferguson. I also have all 11 draft picks from 2007 making the team. My practice squad would include Bodiford, RB/FB Corey White, LB Rory Johnson, S Atari Bigby and TE Zac Alcorn among the squad.

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                  Rating the rookies' roster chances

                  From first-round pick Justin Harrell to seventh-round pick DeShawn Wynn to everyone in between, PackerReport.com's Steve Lawrence breaks down the chances of the 11 draft picks making the final roster. The Green Bay Packers drafted 11 players this spring. The Packers had the youngest team in the NFL last year, so in many cases, it will be young player vs. young player to win a spot on the 53-man roster. That will make next month’s training camp all the more intriguing, since the salary cap won’t come into play in many of GM Ted Thompson’s decisions.

                  So, which of the 11 will make the final roster?

                  Locks:

                  Defensive tackle Justin Harrell, running back Brandon Jackson and safety Aaron Rouse. Harrell (first round) and Jackson (second round) are locks based on draft status alone. Rouse, taken in the third round at No. 89 overall, is an impressive-looking prospect. Given the shortcomings at safety, there’s no chance he won’t be on the final roster.


                  Almost a lock

                  Wide receiver James Jones was taken before Rouse with the 78th pick. He was impressive during the minicamps and is well on his way to making the team, but there’s a lot of competition at the position. Then again, of the 12 receivers on today’s roster (including Koren Robinson, who will miss the first four games of the season), only Donald Driver and Greg Jennings are locks.

                  Slightly better than a 50-50 chance

                  Offensive lineman Allen Barbre and kicker Mason Crosby. Barbre, the Packers’ fourth-round pick, played at Division II Missouri Southern State. If there are any signs he can adapt to the speed of the pro game, he’ll be fine. But it’s impossible to tell at this point, since there were no full-speed, full-contact drills during the offseason workouts. The Packers like incumbent kicker Dave Rayner, but Crosby will be given every chance to win the job. He’s got a huge leg, and he made a bunch of clutch kicks at Colorado.

                  Slightly worse than a 50-50 chance

                  Receiver David Clowney, the Packers’ fifth-round pick, would give the Packers’ a much-needed vertical threat, but if he was only good enough to start five games as a senior at Virginia Tech, what’s there to make you think he’s good enough to make an NFL roster? Again, the competition at receiver is stiff, especially after Robinson’s suspension ends after Week 4.

                  A decent chance

                  Tight end Clark Harris was the last of the Packers’ picks, going in the seventh round at No. 243. He’s a big kid who made a bunch of catches facing quality competition at Rutgers. I’m not breaking any news when I tell you the Packers’ tight end situation is a mess, so he’s got a chance if he proves he can block.

                  Shaky footing

                  Korey Hall, Desmond Bishop and DeShawn Wynn. Hall, the first of the Packers’ sixth-round picks (No. 191) is moving from linebacker to fullback. Fullback isn’t a strength on this team, but it’s asking an awful lot of a low-round pick to make that kind of move. He’s a definite practice-squad candidate, though. Bishop, taken at No. 192, looked terrible in pass coverage at the minicamps. Even if he plays well in training camp, though, he’s at a stacked position. Of all the picks, Bishop would be the most unlikely to make the roster. There are high hopes for Wynn, taken in the seventh round at No. 228. He did lead national champion Florida in rushing, after all. For someone of his size and speed, though, Wynn was remarkably unproductive, not to mention immature. Plus, the Packers are high on the running back trio of Vernand Morency, Jackson and Noah Herron. And this from the NFL.com pre-draft scouting report should give pause as the Packers consider moving him to fullback: “Doesn’t seem to have a taste for blocking.”
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                  In depth: Wide receivers

                  Korth assesses the wide receivers and argues why the Packers should be able to get along just fine without Randy Moss. Packers fans will soon find out if Randy Moss would have been a curse or a blessing for the Green Bay Packers via New England. In the meantime, the Packers enter a training camp with a healthy blend of veteran and young wide receivers.
                  Predicting which five or six will make the Packers’ final roster is extra challenging this season. Like in past seasons, the Packers will probably go with five receivers, meaning they will have to make some tough decisions on whom to keep around. Unlike previous seasons, the top five are far from cut and dried.

                  From this scribe’s point of view, Donald Driver, Greg Jennings, Ruvell Martin, James Jones and David Clowney are Green Bay's top five receivers heading into training camp. That leaves some notable receivers out in the cold, including Robert Ferguson, Carlyle Holiday and Shaun Bodiford, all of whom have NFL experience, as receivers and on special teams. Others, like Carlton Brewster and Calvin Russell, have a lot to offer, but unless a chaotic situation among others ahead of them erupts in training camp, they have little chance of making the team.

                  Consider Driver, Jennings, Martin and Jones locks to make the team this year. Driver, a Pro Bowler, and Jennings, who had a strong rookie season last year with 45 catches, will be the starters. It would be a major surprise if either of those two lose their starting spots. Martin is an up-and-coming No. 3 receiver poised to make some big plays this season. The 6-foot-4, 210-pounder gave the team snapshots of his ability last season by starting in three games. He averaged a team-high 17.0 yards per catch, making 21 catches in 439 offensive snaps. When Ferguson went down with a foot injury in early October, Martin made the most of his playing time, and deserves to remain among the top three receivers on the team.

                  Jones, selected in the third round of the recent NFL draft, has been lining up as a slot receiver this off-season, a position previously occupied by Ferguson. Jones has good hands and appears fearless going over the middle. As long as his attitude and ability to catch the ball in traffic doesn’t change any in training camp when the pads are on, he will retain that position. If he suddenly drops catchable passes, he will be headed for the practice squad, but don’t expect that to happen.

                  The fifth and final spot among receivers probably will go to Clowney because of his ability to stretch the field with his excellent speed, and to play on special teams. Ferguson, Holiday and Bodiford, however, will provide plenty of competition. In fact, the fifth spot will be up for grabs between those four receivers. However, Clowney was drafted by Green Bay in the fifth round this season, so he has that going for him. He will have to be better at catching passes consistently than he showed in off-season practices. If he does, he’ll make the team. If not, flip a coin between Ferguson, Bodiford and Holiday.

                  Moss certainly would have been an interesting addition to Green Bay’s receiving corp, but he only would have hindered the growth of up-and-comers like Martin and Jones. He's better off in New England, where the Patriots have loaded up Redskins-style in a Super Bowl-or-bust run. Also, general manager Ted Thompson has an ace up his sleeve in veteran Koren Robinson. If the Packers feel they need more veteran depth at the position, Robinson will be available to join the team after his league-mandated suspension for substance abuse expires near the end of September. In four games with Green Bay last year, Robinson gave the offense a spark. He has been living and working out in the Green Bay area this off-season, so he presumably is in good shape and eager to get back onto the field. The Packers will cross that bridge as the season is under way. For now, the Packers have receivers with the ability to complement Driver, who is coming off his third straight 1,200-plus yard receiving season, and produce much-needed big plays for the offense. The ability is there; now it’s a matter of execution.
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                  In depth: Running backs, fullbacks

                  PackerReport.com’s Todd Korth continues his series on analyzing the depth at each position on the Green Bay Packers. Today, Korth rates the top candidates to make the 53-man roster in Green Bay’s offensive backfield. If there is one area of Green Bay’s offense to be concerned about, it is at running back. At this point, the Packers will enter the 2007 season with a backfield that is far less experienced than in previous seasons when Ahman Green and William Henderson were the dependable mainstays. Green is Houston. Henderson, released by the Packers in March, is adjusting to life after football, though, still keeping himself in shape and hanging around Green Bay ‘just in case’ another team comes calling, or the Packers need a fullback.

                  Unless the Packers swing a deal for a veteran running back like Larry Johnson or Corey Dillon, Green Bay will go with a young, untested backfield that features Vernand Morency, Brandon Jackson, and Noah Herron at running back, and Brandon Miree and DeShawn Wynn at fullback. All five players have a total of six starts in the NFL careers. Miree is the ‘veteran’ of the group with three NFL seasons under his belt. The others have two or less. All five players are not locks to make the 53-man roster, but they represent the leading candidates to fill the usually five backfield spots. Morency, Jackson and Herron are all one-cut backs who should be able to excel in Green Bay’s zone-blocking offensive scheme. Morency and Herron made the most of their opportunities to play last season, which is probably why general manager Ted Thompson and coach Mike McCarthy feel they can pick up where Green left off. In two games that Green missed with a hamstring injury, both Morency and Herron combined to average 100-plus yards per game. Morency also averaged a whopping 9.2 yards per carry while gaining 101 yards in a blowout win against the Arizona Cardinals a few weeks later.

                  Miree gradually took over for Henderson last year as the team’s top fullback, and Wynn has the ability to play both fullback and halfback in the offense. Morency Jackson and Herron will be challenged by second-year pro P.J. Pope. With a good training camp, Pope might be able to unseat Herron as the team’s No. 3 back, but that’s a longshot. Both Morency and Jackson possess the quickness and burst that should give them the ability to break off some big runs behind an offensive line that gradually improved during the 2006 season. The Packers selected Boise State linebacker Korey Hall in the sixth round of the NFL draft in April. Hall, a special teams demon, is in the process of learning the fullback position. If all goes well, he may be able to make the 53-man roster by beating out Wynn or Miree. If not, he may wind up on the team’s eight-man practice squad. It all depends on how Hall blocks and catches passes out of the backfield in training camp.

                  Rookie free agents Ryan Powdrell and Corey White will be trying to make the team at fullback, but their only chance of sticking with Green Bay will be on the practice squad. Here is an early bird prediction of the five positions that will be filled in Green Bay’s offensive backfield:

                  Running back
                  1. Vernand Morency
                  2. Brandon Jackson
                  3.Noah Herron

                  Fullback
                  1. Brandon Miree
                  2. DeShawn Wynn
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                  Gazing into crystal ball for 2007: Predictions on Favre, Jennings, and other team positions.

                  For the Green Bay Packers to improve on their 8-8 performance of 2006 and to gain entrance to the playoff round, certain players or units will have to improve. I am not Nostradamus, but I will try to predict what players or units will be improved.

                  Brett Favre: The 2006 season was a big improvement for Favre compared to the 2005 season. But still, 18 touchdown passes compared to 18 interceptions is not a typical Favre season. Some say Favre will never have the type of year that he exhibited in the past. That would be 30-plus touchdown passes and around 16 or 17 interceptions. But I think Favre will be much better in 2007 as his offense gains maturity. Therefore, I feel Favre will statistically improve not only with TD passes vs. interceptions, but also improve his quarterback rating. Do not be surprised if Favre gets a Pro Bowl invitation.

                  Greg Jennings: Jennings was having a monster rookie year until he suffered an ankle injury against the Dolphins. Jennings was never able to return to form as the Packer offense suffered as well after his injury. Jennings adapted very well to the Packer offensive scheme as a rookie and looked like a veteran before his injury. Jennings is healthy in 2007 and expect a big year from No. 85. That added incentive, will only aid Pro Bowl receiver Donald Driver.

                  Running Back by Committee: For the first time in a long time, the Packers will be without Ahman Green. But it appeared to me that Green had lost a step in 2006 as he came back from a quad injury. Still, Green rushed for more than 1,000 yards. I believe the Packers will have an even better ground attack in 2007. First, the offensive line will be better in executing the zone blocking technique. Second, the committee that will rush the ball, Vernand Morency, rookie Brandon Jackson and Noah Herron will all have strong years.

                  The Offensive Line: The Packers at times started three rookies in their offensive line in 2006. The three rookies, Daryn Colledge, Jason Spitz and Tony Moll, all played very respectfully. The verterans of the unit, Mark Tauscher, Scott Wells and Chad Clifton were steady, although Clifton should be much healthier in 2007. The line also had to learn a zone blocking technique. Overall, the line performed well and will only get better as the the young players evolve.

                  The Defense: The Green Bay defense played well down the stretch in 2006. The unit should continue that in 2007. The defensive line will be strong again with Aaron Kampman and Cullen Jenkins, and rush assistance from Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila. The defensive tackles will be have a very nice rotation with Ryan Pickett, Corey Williams and rookie Justin Harrell. The linebackers are the stength of the defense with Nick Barnett and A.J. Hawk. Brady Poppinga will need to be steady as others will vie for his job. The secondary should be better as well. Cornerback will be steady as usual, with Al Harris and Charles Woodson. The Packers are hopeful the secondary will also have an improved nickel back in either Will Blackmon or Frank Walker. The safeties should be improved as Nick Collins matures and Marquand Manuel is healthy for 2007, unlike 2006. Either way, expect Manuel to be pushed by Marviel Underwood and rookie Aaron Rouse.

                  Special Teams: These units need to improve for the Packers to see solid field position. That means better kick and punt coverage and a solid return game. The kickers need to be better as well, and the Packers now have a contest ongoing with incumbent kicker Dave Raynor and rookie Mason Crosby. Punter Jon Ryan has a strong leg, but needs to get more consistent. The coverage units should improve with the likes of rookies Korey Hall, Desmond Bishop and Rouse. The return game is still a mystery, but someone needs to step up. Perhaps Shaun Bodiford, Will Blackmon or rookie David Clowney.

                  Miscellaneous: There are still areas that need to improve, like tight end. The Packers aren't even starting Bubba Franks, at least now. Franks, or someone, has to solidify that position. The Packers also need more improvement in the other wide receivers. I like most observers, think Robert Ferguson is ripe for the waiver wire. But maybe he will FINALLY show something. Rookie James Jones has definitely shown the coaching staff ability. Carlyle Holiday and Ruvell Martin need to step up after decent auditions in 2006. All in all, the Green Bay Packers should be a better team in 2007 then they were in 2006. Time will tell.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by TennesseePackerBacker
                    I stopped reading when you said Brandon Jackson can be the next Barry Sanders, way too much kool-aid for me.
                    Please explain more ????
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                    • #11
                      These are the ones I am watching:

                      Safety(4)
                      Likely to make roster: Collins, Underwood, Rouse
                      Camp battle: Peprah/Culver/Manuel
                      Roster Prediction: Collins, Underwood, Peprah, Rouse
                      Practice squad: Antari Bigby


                      D-Line(9)

                      Likely to make roster: (DE) Kampmann, KGB, Montgomery (DT ) Pickett, Jenkins, Harrell,

                      Camp Battle: 3 of 4 make teamWilliams/Jolly/Cole/Hunter a numbers crunch between Hunter/Cole
                      Roster Prediction: (DE) Kampmann, KGB, Jenkins, Montgomery, Hunter (DT) Pickett, Harrell, Williams, Jolly

                      Practice squad: ??



                      Wide Receivers (6)

                      Likely to make roster: Driver, Jennings, Jones

                      Camp battle: 3 of Clowney/Martin/Holiday/Bodiford/

                      Roster Prediction: Driver, Jennings, Jones, Martin, Bodiford, Clowney

                      Practice squad: 2 of Francies, Russell, Brewster

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by woodbuck27
                        Originally posted by TennesseePackerBacker
                        I stopped reading when you said Brandon Jackson can be the next Barry Sanders, way too much kool-aid for me.
                        Please explain more ????
                        I'm allergic to bullshit
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by TennesseePackerBacker
                          Originally posted by woodbuck27
                          Originally posted by TennesseePackerBacker
                          I stopped reading when you said Brandon Jackson can be the next Barry Sanders, way too much kool-aid for me.
                          Please explain more ????
                          I'm allergic to bullshit

                          Maybe the original author meant the tackles behind the line like ole Barry had.....

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                          • #14
                            PERSPECTIVE

                            Originally posted by CaliforniaCheez
                            These are the ones I am watching:

                            Safety(4)
                            Likely to make roster: Collins, Underwood, Rouse
                            Camp battle: Peprah/Culver/Manuel
                            Roster Prediction: Collins, Underwood, Peprah, Rouse
                            Practice squad: Antari Bigby


                            D-Line(9)

                            Likely to make roster: (DE) Kampmann, KGB, Montgomery (DT ) Pickett, Jenkins, Harrell,

                            Camp Battle: 3 of 4 make teamWilliams/Jolly/Cole/Hunter a numbers crunch between Hunter/Cole
                            Roster Prediction: (DE) Kampmann, KGB, Jenkins, Montgomery, Hunter (DT) Pickett, Harrell, Williams, Jolly

                            Practice squad: ??



                            Wide Receivers (6)

                            Likely to make roster: Driver, Jennings, Jones

                            Camp battle: 3 of Clowney/Martin/Holiday/Bodiford/

                            Roster Prediction: Driver, Jennings, Jones, Martin, Bodiford, Clowney

                            Practice squad: 2 of Francies, Russell, Brewster

                            TOP HAT'S EDITORIAL: NOT BAD, ESPECIALLY WRS ALTHOUGH MANY PICK HOLIDAY OVER BODIFORD. THREAD IS ABOUT A VERY HOTLY DEBATED TOPIC IN PACKER NATION FORUMS WITH FASCINATING VIEWS.

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                            • #15


                              In depth: Tight ends. Packers need more out of Bubba Franks, Donald Lee this season

                              Packers coach Mike McCarthy made it clear last season that the tight end position is a key part of the team’s offense. McCarthy often kept one more than the usual three tight ends on the team’s 53-man roster, and stashed others on the practice squad. The Packers used their tight ends often as extra backs to block for Ahman Green while the offensive line learned the new zone blocking scheme. The tight ends also were held back to protect Brett Favre on passing downs. However, when the Packers needed the tight ends most – in the red zone – they often fell short of pitching in with big plays. Improving the production this season at that position has been a point of emphasis for McCarthy, and the Packers are hoping to get a lot more out of veterans Bubba Franks and Donald Lee. Whether they will or not remains to be seen.

                              “We need to create more opportunities to winning inside because that's where the tight end position factors,” said McCarthy. “So, they will be given those opportunities, and we just need to increase the productivity of it.” McCarthy made a move this off-season by inserting Lee ahead of Franks, an eighth-year pro, with the first team offense during minicamp and Organized Team Activities practices. That’s not to say that Franks will not be the starter on opening day, but McCarthy made it clear that he needs more from that position and is open to change. Franks is coming off two of his worst seasons as a pro – a total of 50 catches and one touchdown in 2005 and ’06. To his credit, Franks lost some weight this off-season in an effort to improve his speed and appears ready to regain some of the Pro Bowl form and confidence in himself that he had from 2001 to ’03.

                              “I think Bubba is in much better physical condition than he was last year,” McCarthy said. “He looks leaner, I think he's moving a lot better. Once again, another veteran football player who has a lot of experience. We asked him to do some things a little different last year, and he has a better understanding of that now. We are adjusting some things as we move forward with the tight end position, and I think we have excellent competition. But Bubba Franks is a veteran football player, and we expect him to contribute to our football team.” Lee, 26, is two years younger than Franks and has a golden opportunity ahead of him in training camp to win a starting spot. He only had 10 catches last season and no touchdowns, one year after making a career-high of 33 catches and scoring two touchdowns. But he also played less behind Franks and the departed David Martin (Miami) in ’06 than in ’05 when Martin and Franks missed a number of games with injuries. With opportunity may come better production from Lee.

                              “I think he's done a very good job, and I think he really showed up in the vertical passing game which we obviously need,” McCarthy said of Lee’s off-season workouts. “It generates big plays particularly from the inside position. He's worked very had - that whole group has - as far as catching the football. They've been down here doing ball drills probably two or three times a week, and I think you're seeing the benefits of that show up in practice.” Clark Harris, selected in the seventh round of the draft by the Packers, has a chance to make the team, but he will have to demonstrate an ability to block in training camp. Zac Alcorn, who spent a lot of time on the team’s practice squad last year before he was promoted to the active roster on Nov. 18, is more likely to fill the No. 3 tight end spot. Alcorn is a solid special teams player and has impressed the coaches with his blocking, but he will be pushed by second-year pro Tory Humphrey, who played mainly on special teams in seven games last year and was slowed by a hamstring injury.

                              It would not be a surprise to see McCarthy keep four tight ends on the 53-man roster, but that is not likely because of the progress the offensive line made last year. Here is an early bird prediction of the three tight ends that will make the opening day roster:
                              1. Donald Lee
                              2. Bubba Franks
                              3. Zac Alcorn
                              Note: Clark Harris will be placed on practice squad.

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