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  • #31
    POSITIONS BATTLES REVIEWS; WRS AND RBS



    Packers by position: WRs thin on talent

    The Green Bay Packers' receiving corps still is suffering from the Javon Walker debacle that forced the Packers to trade one of the league's best young receivers in the spring of 2006. It's no coincidence that without the dynamic Walker, two Internet scouting services — Scouts Inc. at ESPN.com and Football Outsiders on FoxSports.com — recently rated the Packers as the No. 28 receiving corps in the 32-team NFL going into this season. Scouts Inc. bases its rankings on subjective personnel evaluations of game videotape, whereas Football Outsiders uses the videotape study for a more statistically oriented evaluation. Both came to the same conclusion. They lauded warhorse Donald Driver (262 receptions the past three years) as a capable and productive player, and said second-year pro Greg Jennings appears promising, though his ankle injury last season raises durability concerns. But they decried the Packers' overall lack of talent at the position, where surprise third-round pick James Jones, young journeymen Ruvell Martin and Carlyle Holiday, and perennial tease Robert Ferguson are the top contenders for the unit's Nos. 3 and 4 spots. "We have some unproven (receivers) that aren't household names that we believe in, we think are good football players," said John Schneider, the Packers' personnel analyst to the general manager.

    Some of the fate of the Packers' passing game rides on whether Jennings can become a productive and occasionally dangerous player. Jennings showed he was far more advanced than most rookie receivers last year, and in the first five games, he had 19 receptions, including 75- and 46-yard touchdowns. Then he injured his ankle early in Week 6 against Miami, missed the next game and wasn't the same player the rest of the year. He missed all of the offseason practices this year while recovering from offseason ankle surgery, so the Packers haven't seen Jennings on the field since late last year. But they are counting on him to blossom in his second season. "I think you would have seen (60-plus catches) in Greg Jennings had he not been hurt, missed the time he missed and was limited when he was playing there in the second half of the year," said Jimmy Robinson, the Packers' receivers coach. "I think he would have been in that (productive rookie) category. I don't know how many catches he had, 40-some I think. I feel like he would have beaten the (rookie) odds on that had he stayed healthy." As big an issue is whether the Packers can put three- and four-receiver alignments on the field that will challenge defenses. To that end, they could use immediate help from Jones, though through the offseason practices, he hasn't been as precocious as Jennings was last year.

    General Manager Ted Thompson surprised a number of teams around the league by selecting Jones out of San Jose State in the third round after a run on receivers depleted that position in the draft. Where many clubs saw a productive college receiver who lacked speed and quickness, Thompson and his scouts saw an unusually strong player for his position (6-foot-1, 207 pounds) who played faster than he timed, somewhat in the mold of Arizona's Anquan Boldin or Pittsburgh's Hines Ward. In offseason practices, Jones showed he's an extended-hands catcher — he plucks the ball in the air, away from his body, which is much preferred. But whether he has the quickness and speed to get open consistently, or at least the strength to regularly make tough catches in traffic, will remain unknown until the pads are on for a while. "I can't speak for other teams," Schneider said, "but what we saw was a power, old-school West Coast (offense) receiver. A guy that's strong, takes the ball out of the air; players bounce off him. He's got great run-after-the-catch ability. He may not be a huge threat down the field, especially when you look at his 40 speed, yet he still was catching balls down the field (in college). He's just a tough, competitive guy that fit the mold of the type of players we want to add to his team."

    In the offseason workouts, Martin and Holiday worked ahead of Jones, though both are possession receivers with speed limitations. Martin, who made the roster as a street free agent last year, has size (6-4) and caught 21 passes last year in an increased role after Jennings was hurt. The Packers picked up Holiday after Arizona waived him Dec. 4, and he caught one pass in each of the Packers' final four games. In that brief audition, Holiday demonstrated strength (6-2, 217 pounds) and caught a couple passes that were off target, though at 25, he's a former college quarterback from Notre Dame still trying to make the adjust to receiver in the NFL. The Packers also continue to mention Ferguson as a possible No. 3 receiver, though the 27-year-old always seems to be held back by injury or circumstance. In his six seasons, the former second-round pick has only 116 catches and hasn't come close the breakout season the team had anticipated for several years. This will be his last shot in Green Bay.

    David Clowney, a fifth-round pick this year, showed speed in offseason workouts but appears to be a project whose best chance of contributing this season is as a return man. "I feel good we'll come out with somebody we can count on," Robinson said. "It may also be where it's not one clear-cut guy but many. Who knows?" The Packers also could bring back Koren Robinson in October from his year-long substance-abuse suspension. However, the 27-year-old will have been away from football for a full year, and whether his career in Green Bay continues will depend in part on his physical conditioning. If the Packers put him in a prominent role quickly, it could be a sign that no one has come through among the backups. Unlike a handful of NFL teams such as San Diego and Kansas City, the Packers don't have an elite tight end to function as one of their top playmakers. Fifth-year pro Donald Lee worked as the starter all offseason ahead of the declining Bubba Franks.

    Franks, who missed six games because of a knee injury two years ago and last season caught only 25 passes (none for a touchdown), returned to Miami this offseason to work out with former teammates at the University of Miami after staying in Green Bay last year. He came back in good shape but never was fast and, at 29, has lost a step from earlier in his career. Lee, who's the superior receiving threat, stands a good chance of beating him out for the starting job. "(Lee) is playing the best football he's played since he's been here," said offensive coordinator Joe Philbin of Lee's offseason. "Obviously that needs to translate onto the field next year on Sundays." Three others also will also vie for the three or four spots that will go to tight ends: Second-year pro Zac Alcorn, who has the best hands among the tight ends; second-year pro Tory Humphrey, who is the best athlete of the group but at 6-2 is a tad short for the position; and seventh-round draft pick Clark Harris of Rutgers.

    Receivers:
    11 David Clowney 6-0 188 22 R Virginia Tech
    13 Carlton Brewster 5-11 208 24 1 Ferris State
    17 Calvin Russell 6-0 190 24 1 Tuskegee
    18 Carlyle Holiday 6-2 217 25 2 Notre Dame
    19 Shaun Bodiford 5-11 186 25 2 Portland State
    80 Donald Driver 6-0 190 32 9 Alcorn State
    82 Ruvell Martin 6-4 210 24 2 Saginaw Valley State
    83 Chris Francies 6-1 193 24 2 Texas-El Paso
    85 Greg Jennings 5-11 197 23 2 Western Michigan
    87 Robert Ferguson 6-1 210 27 7 Texas A&M
    89 James Jones 6-1 207 23 R San Jose State

    Tight ends:
    44 Clark Harris 6-5 256 23 R Rutgers
    49 Zac Alcorn 6-4 255 26 2 Black Hills State
    84 Tory Humphrey 6-2 250 24 2 Central Michigan
    86 Donald Lee 6-4 248 26 5 Mississippi State
    88 Bubba Franks 6-6 265 29 8 Miami (Fla.)
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    Packers by position: Team is green at RB

    The Green Bay Packers' charge at running back for 2007 isn't replacing the recently departed Ahman Green; it's replacing the Ahman Green of 2000 through 2004. The Ahman Green of 2007 is not the player who went to four straight Pro Bowls (2001 through 2004 seasons) and gave the Packers one of the top five running games early this decade. He'd shown decline in the second half of 2005, and coming off a severe injury (torn hamstring tendon) last year, averaged 4.0 yards a carry, well below the 4.6 yards he averaged in eight previous NFL seasons. So, it was hard to blame General Manager Ted Thompson when he drew a line in a free-agent bidding war that ended with the 30-year-old Green signing with the Houston Texans this offseason. Houston will pay Green $8 million in bonuses and salary this year and $12.5 million over the first two years, a steep price for an aging back.

    The question for the Packers is whether the combination of second-round draft pick Brandon Jackson and third-year pro Vernand Morency can average in the range of 4.5 yards a carry and push the Packers well ahead of last season's 23rd-ranked running game. The Packers will be in their second season in the zone-blocking scheme coach Mike McCarthy installed, so they're counting on making a noticeable jump. "We played with a lot of young players last year, and that takes time," said John Schneider, the Packers' personnel analyst to the general manager. "And if there's one position you can say a guy can come in the league and be productive right away, it's running back." The Packers selected Jackson surprisingly high in this year's draft, the 63rd pick overall, even though he never was a full-time back at Nebraska and as a junior last year had a career-high 188 carries for 989 yards (5.3 yards a carry). At 5-foot-97/8 and 212 pounds, he's a little on the small side, but the Packers were looking for a good fit for the zone-running scheme.

    "The one thing we're looking for is a guy that's decisive and has got some acceleration through the hole. That's probably the most important thing," offensive coordinator Joe Philbin said. "They can't be a guy that dances and shuffles. They have to be decisive once they move off their initial read, they have to get their foot in the ground and get north and south." The Packers haven't seen Jackson in pads, but projected him at draft time to push for the starting job in their idiosyncratic scheme. When asked what sold the team on Jackson, Schneider said: "His foot quickness, his balance, his vision, his burst. He made long runs. With minimal opportunity, he really was productive when he played. Given the opportunity, he did some real nice things. He's one of those guys that always has his feet on the ground, has a real nice feel for the flow and cutback, can be a real sharp, one-cut-type back." Most likely, Jackson and Morency will share the workload at halfback, though one could end up outperforming the other and getting more carries.

    The Packers acquired Morency last year in a trade with Houston for Samkon Gado that appeared to be a relatively minor move at the time. Morency (5-10, 212) is about the same size as Jackson and averaged 4.6 yards on 91 carries with the Packers. But whether he can perform at that pace playing regularly is another matter, because his size raises durability concerns. He missed two games last season because of a lower-back injury. "We feel like, from a talent standpoint and athletic standpoint, we feel like these guys can (provide what Green used to)," Philbin said. After Jackson and Morency, any of several players could end up as the No. 3 back. Noah Herron has held that role the past two seasons but has speed limitations, and P.J. Pope intrigued the team enough to pluck him off the Bears' practice squad last year. The Packers also used a seventh-round draft pick on Florida's DeShawn Wynn, an elite recruit coming out of high school who was a major underachiever in college because of a lack of toughness and dedication. Wynn, who has excellent size (5-10¾, 232 pounds), gained 630 yards and averaged 5.1 yards a carry last season. He sustained a strained calf in his first practice with the Packers at rookie orientation camp immediately after the late-April draft and didn't return to the field until June 7.

    He might find a niche as a short-yardage back early, though undrafted rookie Corey White (6-1, 239) of Alabama-Birmingham showed at least as much promise in offseason practices. "DeShawn Wynn finished the offseason program on a positive note, and he's a big man. It could be him (on short-yardage downs)," Schneider said. "I'm not exactly sure. Someone in that group is going to step forward. And one thing about our staff, they're willing to try a number of combinations to make things work." William Henderson was a true professional as a fullback for the Packers for 12 years, but they cut ties with him this offseason because age rendered the 36-year-old an ineffective blocker. Brandon Miree, who played through a severe elbow injury last year, probably will be the starter. White is a halfback-fullback hybrid, and the Packers drafted Korey Hall from Boise State in the sixth round as a special-teams player and possible backup fullback. He played linebacker in college.

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    • #32
      Well, I can see that New Orleans is certainly the sexy pick this year.
      "I've got one word for you- Dallas, Texas, Super Bowl"- Jermichael Finley

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      • #33
        TRAINING CAMP DETAILS: A REVIEW



        A Fans' Guide to Green Bay Packers Training Camp

        THE BASICS:

        The Green Bay Packers' training camp will be at St. Norbert College in De Pere for the 50th consecutive summer, the longest stay at one location for any team in the National Football League. Forrest Gregg, the coach from 1984-'87, at the time attempted to convince the front office of the benefits of training at a more remote locale. The Packers investigated such sites as Whitewater, River Falls, La Crosse, Madison and Marquette, Mich., but were dissuaded by howls of protest from Green Bay fans, club employees and tourist officials. Previously, the Packers trained at Rockwood Lodge just north of Green Bay from 1947-'49, in Grand Rapids, Minn., from 1950-'53 and in Stevens Point from 1954-'57. Players again will be housed at Victor McCormick Hall on the St. Norbert campus until the check-out date of Aug. 17. Marginal players then will take lodging in a hotel near Lambeau Field for about two weeks until their fate is determined. The St. Norbert campus is about 6 miles south of Lambeau Field and the team's administrative-training complex. All practices are conducted at the team facility just as they are during the regular season. In the past, the Packers had an earlier reporting date for rookies and first-year players than for veterans. For the second straight year, coach Mike McCarthy has established a single reporting date for all players. It is Thursday. The first practice will be held at 2 p.m. Saturday. It will be conducted in full pads. The players will undergo a physical conditioning test Friday.

        FAN INFORMATION

        In 2005, the Packers launched a Web site, www.packerstrainingcamp.com, to provide more information for fans. The latest alterations in the practice schedule will be made available here. Fans also can obtain daily reports on practice times and transactions by calling (920) 569-7502. Daily reports also are available at www.packers.com. There also is a fan assistance kiosk located near the practice field. Fans also can be advised of practice times by looking at a portable matrix board on the west side of the Hutson Center. The team's guest relations desk in the atrium generally will be open daily from 8 a.m. to 5 p.m.

        PRACTICE TIMES

        The Packers have made radical changes in their practice schedule under coach Mike McCarthy. Gone are the days when they'd practice once in the morning and once in the afternoon. Last year, McCarthy eliminated about 25% of the practices by rotating days with two workouts followed by days with one workout. McCarthy hoped to keep the players more energized and to spend more time watching video with players after each daylight practice. This year, he has eliminated practice on the first three Wednesdays of camp. Players will eat breakfast and lunch at the stadium. The Packers will utilize St. Norbert College for meetings, dinner and an evening snack. Under coach Mike Sherman, the Packers had 51 open practices in 2000, 41 in '01, 49 in '02, 46 in '03, 37 in '04 and 38 (including 17 in pads) in '05. Under McCarthy, a total of 28 practices were open to the public last year, including 15 in pads. This year, a total of 24 practices, including 15 in pads, will be open to fans. Thus, in the span of six years, the number of open practices has been cut in half. In the past, the Packers generally practiced in pads in the morning and wore either "shells" (reduced-sized shoulder pads) or shorts in the afternoon. This year, most of the morning practices are in "shells" and the padded practices either are in the afternoon or at night. Several previous coaches in Green Bay conducted afternoon practices devoted entirely to special teams in which about half the players were excused. When McCarthy practices, every player is expected to participate.

        PLAYER DAYS OFF

        No practices are scheduled on days after the intra-squad scrimmage and the four exhibition games.

        WHERE TO WATCH

        In order to practice at night, the Packers have rented 11 lighting units and will install them on Clarke Hinkle Field this week. They will be removed soon after the final night practice Aug. 20. In good weather, the Packers will practice on the synthetic surface at Hinkle Field, which is located just west of the Hutson Center. The new surface was installed in 2005. One of the reasons for installing the synthetic field was to reduce drainage problems on the old clay-based grass field and reduce the number of practices that had to be held inside the Hutson Center because of wet grounds. When practice is inside, fans aren't able to watch. Some frustrated fans always mill around outside the Hutson Center on rainy days. In summer 2004, FieldTurf was installed at Ray Nitschke Field, the team's other outdoor practice field, which is located east on Armed Forces Drive across from the Resch Center. If necessary, it also will be used. The bleacher area at Hinkle Field has seating for approximately 600 fans. Seats are available on a first-come, first-served basis and are free. The Packers attempted to sell reserved seats at practice for the first time in 1999, but the practice was discontinued after one year. Aug. 28 is the last day for fans to attend practice. Canvas is drawn around the fields so the Packers can practice in privacy to prepare for the regular season. The NFL allows scouts from other teams to attend training-camp practices if admission is charged. Free practices are off limits to opposing scouts. Parking for practice is available in the Lambeau Field lot, where tailgating is welcome. Food and beverages will be available for purchase near the practice field. Food also will be available in the Lambeau Field atrium at seven restaurants. The restaurant at Curly's Pub, located on the second level, is open daily until late night. The Frozen in Time Ice Cream parlor opens at 8 a.m. during training camp. Curly's features an area with more than 50 interactive games. The pub stays open until 10 p.m. Sunday through Thursday and until midnight on Friday and Saturday.

        SCRIMMAGES

        The Packers didn't hold a major intra-squad scrimmage in 1997 or '98. Before that, the so-called "Intra-squad Game" had been a fixture in Lambeau Field and was free to the public. The Packers then began charging $6 for the scrimmage in Lambeau Field. Attendance was 46,420 in 1999, 50,240 in 2000 and 48,898 in '01. It was canceled in 2002 and '03 due to renovation of Lambeau Field but returned in '04 with attendance of 60,216. It took seven weeks, but the event was considered a sellout. The event, now billed as the "Family Night" scrimmage, will be held at 6:30 p.m. Aug. 4. Tickets for the scrimmage, priced at $8, sold out in June after three days. Attendance was 62,492 in '05 and 62,701 in '06. The appearance by the Buffalo Bills in 2005 was the first by an opposing team during a training camp in Green Bay since 1991. In '91, the Packers practiced against New Orleans in Stevens Point and then against New England in Green Bay. In '90, they practiced against Cleveland in Green Bay. The other red-letter date on the camp schedule will be a practice at 6:30 p.m. July 31 at Green Bay East High School. Also known as Old City Stadium, it was the Packers' home from 1925-'56.

        PHOTOS / AUTOGRAPHS

        The popular Fan Photo Day, which had been attracting about 15,000 fans to Lambeau Field, was eliminated in 1994. Citing safety risks, the Packers realigned their old parking lot in '97 to reduce the number of fans who could wait outside the administrative building for players and coaches after practice. Today, players and coaches use a reserved lot on the east side of Lambeau Field that is off limits to fans. At times, players will sign for fans that stand outside the fence. It has been a tradition in Green Bay for players either to walk or ride on kids' bicycles to and from practice. Mike McCarthy is encouraging it again this season. However, in the last decade, more and more starters and key players have begun jumping into vans driven by St. Norbert College personnel after each practice for rides from the field to the facility, making them inaccessible to fans. With the stadium renovation, the locker room was shifted from the north end to the east side. Thus, the biking tandems have less ground to cover in order to reach the locker room. The Packers instituted a program in 1997 to help fans obtain autographs by having some players and coaches sign at tables after the morning practice. The Packers did away with autograph tables last year and established a fenced-in "Kids Zone" just south of the Oneida Nation gate on the east side of Lambeau Field. Dubbed the "Future Lambeau Leapers" area, all kids ages 12 and under are allowed in to seek autographs. Last year, the area was open after the first practice of each day but never after a night practice. Eight to 10 players were shuttled from the field to the "Kids Zone" immediately after practice to mingle with fans and sign autographs for about 20 to 30 minutes.

        ROSTER REDUCTIONS

        All teams must reach a 75-man roster limit at 3 p.m. Aug. 28. This is the second season the first reduction was increased from 65 to 75 players because all NFL Europe exemptions will be expiring at the first cut rather than the final cut. The final cut to 53 players must be made by 5 p.m. Sept. 1. After 11 a.m. Sept. 2, teams may establish a practice squad consisting of eight players for the fourth straight year; for several years before that, there were five players on the practice squad.

        HALL OF FAME/STADIUM

        The Packer Hall of Fame is located in the Lambeau Field atrium. During camp, the 25,000-square foot facility will be open daily from 8 a.m. to 6 p.m., although hours vary on home game days. Ticket prices are $10 for adults, $8 for senior citizens and military personnel, $5 for ages 6-11 and free for 5 and under. Call (920) 569-7212 for information. One-hour tours of Lambeau Field will be conducted daily during training camp at 15-minute intervals starting most days from 9 a.m. to 6 p.m. Tickets are available in the atrium on a first-come, first-served basis for each day's tours beginning at 8 a.m.. Groups of 20 or more can book private tours at least two weeks in advance, but there are no reservations for individuals. Tours begin in Harlan Plaza. Tours sell out on a regular basis. Ticket are $11 for adults, $10 for seniors, $8 for ages 6-11 and free for 5 and under. Call (920) 569-7213 for information. Adults can buy a combination Hall of Fame and Lambeau Field tour ticket for $19. The Packers Experience, a free interactive training-camp playground, returns for a fourth summer at Lambeau Field but in a new location in the parking lot in front of the Oneida Nation Gate. Free to the public, it operates Saturday to Aug. 17. Hours are 8:30 a.m. to dusk on days with a morning practice and 11 a.m. to dusk on days with only an afternoon practice. It is closed Aug. 4. The Packers Pro Shop has various hours. Generally, it opens at 8 a.m. during the week and an hour or two later on weekends. During the week, it usually closes between 7-7:30 p.m.

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        • #34
          Re: OUTSTANDING DEFENSIVE COACHING PREVIEW

          Originally posted by TopHat
          http://pu2006.typepad.com/packer_update/2007/07/questions-still.html

          QUESTIONS STILL SURROUND SANDERS

          Nobody is going to confuse the Green Bay Packers of 2007 with the St. Louis Rams of 1999. Unlike Dick Vermeil’s high-powered offensive juggernaut that outscored opponents on a weekly basis, Mike McCarthy’s bunch will have to win games by playing consistently good defense. In order for that to happen, one member of the unit will have to improve his performance dramatically from a year ago. And ironically, this person won’t make a single tackle all season. “They certainly could use better play from the Sam linebacker and the safeties, but none of that will matter if Bob Sanders doesn’t do a better job in his second year as coordinator,” said a former scout. “I never saw a pass defense look so ill-prepared. I know they finished strong against some weak offenses, but I still can’t forget what happened in November and early December against New England, Seattle and the Jets. The defense wasn't outtalented in those games; it was outcoached.”

          With all 11 starters returning - plus the addition of top draft pick Justin Harrell - it’s hard to imagine too many offenses "outtalenting" this defense. The line is deep and athletic, the backers are young and fast and the starting cornerbacks are about as good as any duo in the league. If the safeties step up, even a little bit, this unit should reside in the top-10 from the first week in September until the last week in December. “I really like what Ted Thompson has done on that side of the ball,” said the scout. “This defense has a chance to be really good - as long as Sanders doesn't screw things up like he did last season.”

          Sanders will be under intense scrutiny from the moment training camp begins, and it won’t take long to find out whether he's improved in his second season on the job. The opener against Philadelphia will provide the perfect litmus test. “Andy Reid, with very mediocre talent, has made Green Bay’s defense look really bad in two of the past three meetings,” said the scout. “He’s a lot like [Seattle coach] Mike Holmgren in his ability to create mismatches for his offensive playmakers - especially when going up against the league’s weaker defensive coordinators. Sanders will have a chance to show right away that he doesn’t belong in that group, but if he comes up small, it could be an ominous sign of what's ahead.”

          This deserves a topic of its own. The defensive personnell seems to be pretty close to in place. Over the course of 16 games last year, Bob Sanders was subpar.

          If you want to break it down I think he deserves a D from weeks 1-12 and a
          A- weeks 13-16. At a time when some of the JS guys felt it was very likely Sanders was over his head and would get replaced, Sanders fell into three very terrible offenses and an apathetic Bears team.

          Now one can rightfully argue Sanders defense was heads and heels better after Jenkins went to DE. That is accurate.

          But I still have memories of players running on and off the field as the offense was ready to snap the ball, and players going the wrong way.

          I hope this is all settled. We have some very good personnel on defense; I hope the DC and Secondary Coach are up to task this year.
          TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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          • #35
            Legit question, and it's impossible to know if he'll pan out. My gut says no, but who knows. It was his first opportunity at doing it. Hopefully, he learned. I know a lot of players appreciated the way he handled the ups and downs of the season and stuck with things. Hopefully, that will be a small benefit for this season. That the players have a belief in his system, and more importantly, him.
            "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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            • #36
              preseason can't start soon enough. how many ways are there to say that the packer wide recievers and running backs are gonna stink?? well, maybe they will stink ... but then again, maybe not.

              the packers are chock-full of young players on offense that nobody has a solid fix on. Cooledge, Morecy, Miree, Tory Humphrey, Moll .... the predictions this year seem especially pointless. we'll just have to wait and see.

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              • #37
                Re: COMPLETE COVERAGE: PROJECTED DEPTH CHART/ROSTER BATTLES

                Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
                I wouldn't say that he has little chance of making the final roster, but I agree with your sentiment. I don't expect much from him this year. Clowney played 3 years at Virginia Tech--while Driver played at Alcorn State, so I wouldn't say that Driver had more experience. One more year, but against low level competition.
                Driver STARTED far more frequently in college and logged far more playing time. That was my point. It has nothing to do with the level of competition or number of years in college. Driver played more than Clowney did...A LOT more. Even so, he wasn't anywhere near ready to contribute his first year in Green Bay.

                Neither will Clowney.
                My signature has NUDITY in it...whatcha gonna do?

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                • #38
                  Re: OUTSTANDING DEFENSIVE COACHING PREVIEW

                  Originally posted by Bretsky
                  I hope this is all settled. We have some very good personnel on defense; I hope the DC and Secondary Coach are up to task this year.
                  Those last 4 wins last year could prove very costly. The defensive coaching leaves a lot to be desired, and would've been changed without such a finish...and the additional wins cost us a chance to grab an impact RB in the draft.

                  However, maybe those wins were what kept Favre around another year. Who knows?
                  My signature has NUDITY in it...whatcha gonna do?

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                  • #39
                    Re: OUTSTANDING DEFENSIVE COACHING PREVIEW

                    Originally posted by The Leaper
                    Originally posted by Bretsky
                    I hope this is all settled. We have some very good personnel on defense; I hope the DC and Secondary Coach are up to task this year.
                    Those last 4 wins last year could prove very costly. The defensive coaching leaves a lot to be desired, and would've been changed without such a finish...and the additional wins cost us a chance to grab an impact RB in the draft.

                    However, maybe those wins were what kept Favre around another year. Who knows?
                    What would it be like if we lived in a perfect world?

                    On defense. The objective is to go 3 and out and get turnovers to allow the offense the ball.

                    On offense.The plays have to be designed to suit a particular defense and then executed.

                    The team that is best prepared for the game, with the best overall talent and players generally with a solid attitude and brains will outdo the competition.
                    ** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
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                    • #40
                      Re: OUTSTANDING DEFENSIVE COACHING PREVIEW

                      Originally posted by The Leaper
                      Originally posted by Bretsky
                      I hope this is all settled. We have some very good personnel on defense; I hope the DC and Secondary Coach are up to task this year.
                      Those last 4 wins last year could prove very costly. The defensive coaching leaves a lot to be desired, and would've been changed without such a finish...and the additional wins cost us a chance to grab an impact RB in the draft.

                      However, maybe those wins were what kept Favre around another year. Who knows?
                      I noted all of the above last year after we won our 2nd game in a row. I was very convinced Bob Sanders needed to be relieved of his duties. Nottenheimer, gosh I don't even want to start on my view of that guy.
                      TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                      • #41
                        OL PREVIEW & 3 PLAYERS TO WATCH



                        Packers by position: With year to build on, OL should improve

                        General Manager Ted Thompson has touted improvement from within as one of his reasons for disdaining the free-agent market this offseason, and the one area where he's most justified in that projection is the offensive line. For two reasons, the Packers' front five should be better than last year and possibly ready to make a significant jump. First, they're in their second season in the zone-blocking scheme that coach Mike McCarthy and former offensive coordinator Jeff Jagodzinski introduced last year. Second, guards Daryn Colledge and Jason Spitz are second-year pros who showed promise during invaluable on-the-job training last year as rookie starters. This year, the Packers should begin bearing the fruit after enduring the rocky times that go with changing an offensive scheme and starting two, and sometimes three, rookies on the line.

                        "I think we have a chance to have a pretty darn good offensive line," Thompson said this week. "We've been able to add some depth and some players there, and I think our coaching staff at this particular position do an outstanding job." Besides being more proficient in the techniques and reads required in the zone-blocking scheme, the offensive line should work better as a group, and the young guards should need less help protecting quarterback Brett Favre with six- and seven-man protections. McCarthy erred on the side of ensuring quarterback Brett Favre was protected last year, so he often kept in a running back, tight end or both on passing plays, thus limiting the number of receiving options for Favre. "We anticipate them playing better, no question about it," said Joe Philbin, Jagodzinski's successor as offensive coordinator and the offensive line coach last year. "I think they will, I'm confident they will. How big a jump, how it's reflected in our won-loss record and points per game, it's part of their job and part of the guys around them."

                        The early returns look good on Thompson's drafting of three offensive linemen in 2006. Colledge struggled through training camp in his move from left tackle at Boise State to left guard with the Packers, losing the starting job early in training camp. He won it back because of injury and played well enough to start the final 15 games, including one at left tackle in place of the injured Chad Clifton. Though far from a finished product, Colledge (6-foot-4, 305 pounds) didn't give up a sack last season. "That says a lot," Philbin said. "When you talk about most teams, or even nickel teams or third downs, they're typically going to cover a guard up and create some one-on-ones there. So I think he did a nice job in pass protection, and he's coming along as a run blocker."

                        Spitz, a third-round pick, played better than Colledge through training camp, but sustained a bruised thigh in the opener that sidelined him for two weeks and slowed him for several games thereafter. He's not as athletic as Colledge or Tony Moll, the third rookie lineman in last year's draft class, but he has a nasty, Frank Winters-type mentality that can carry an offensive lineman a long way. "We've got two guys that should be capable players for us here," Philbin said.

                        The Packers surround their two young guards with three veterans – two accomplished tackles in Chad Clifton and Mark Tauscher, and underappreciated center Scott Wells. Clifton and Tauscher have been starters since their rookie season of 2000, and though both have had a serious injury — Clifton a separated pelvis, Tauscher a torn anterior-cruciate ligament — they remain good performers who haven't shown decline. Clifton had post-arthroscopic knee trouble last season that probably is a byproduct of his pelvic injury and likely will bother him on and off for the rest of his career. But he was surgery-free this offseason and heads into camp as healthy as he's been in years. "I think he's ahead of where he was a year ago, no question about it," Philbin said. "I don't see a drop-off, to be frank with you. I think the guy gets out of his stance — he's big time when talking about getting vertical and setting on a defensive end (while pass blocking)."

                        The Packers consider the smallish Wells (6-2, 295) an excellent fit for the zone-blocking scheme and proved it last November by signing him to a five-year contract extension worth as much as $15 million and including $5 million in guaranteed pay. He's mobile and smart as quarterback of the line. "I think Scott Wells provides outstanding leadership from the center position," said John Schneider, the Packers' personnel analyst to the general manager. "You have veteran tackles in Tauscher and Clifton, and then we have a bunch of young guys we're excited about that can play a number of different positions."

                        The young, but somewhat raw, depth starts with Moll and fourth-round pick Allen Barbre, a left tackle at the Division II level who played left guard during offseason practices. Moll (6-5, 304), a tight end until his senior year in college at Nevada, started five games at right guard and five at right tackle last season. He's working primarily as Tauscher's backup at right tackle, but could move at any time. "If you asked me right now, I think (right tackle) is going to be his best spot," Philbin said. "He seems a little more comfortable out there and doesn't have people on top of him as quickly as he does at guard. He can use his athleticism a little more out there."

                        Barbre (6-4, 300), who ran the 40-yard dash in 4.88 seconds and played as a gunner on punt coverage at Missouri Southern, is an intriguing athlete. He, along with Colledge, are potential left tackles for the future. "We really think highly of his athleticism," Philbin said. "He's a good fit body wise for the offense we're running. We think he has a lot of potential. Obviously, he has a lot to learn. We'll see how his pad level is once the pads get on."

                        Guards

                        58 Pat Murray 6-3 310 22 R Truman State
                        61 Travis Leffew 6-4 292 24 1 Louisville
                        64 Tony Palmer 6-2 311 24 2 Missouri
                        68 Adam Stenavich 6-4 308 24 1 Michigan
                        70 Tyson Walter 6-4 300 29 6 Ohio State
                        72 Jason Spitz 6-3 300 24 2 Louisville
                        73 Daryn Colledge 6-4 305 25 2 Boise State
                        78 Allen Barbre 6-4 300 23 R Missouri Southern State

                        Tackles

                        62 Junius Coston 6-3 313 23 3 North Carolina A&T
                        65 Mark Tauscher 6-3 315 30 8 Wisconsin
                        69 Orrin Thompson 6-6 322 24 1 Duke
                        75 Tony Moll 6-5 304 23 2 Nevada
                        76 Chad Clifton 6-5 320 31 8 Tennessee

                        Center

                        63 Scott Wells 6-2 295 26 4 Tennessee
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                        Three to keep an eye on in camp

                        1. Marviel Underwood

                        The first of a three-part series on players that will be worth monitoring in the Packers 2007 training camp, which opens on Saturday in Green Bay, beginning with third-year cornerback Marviel Underwood. One common melody filled the air at the 37th Annual Green Bay Packers Hall of Fame Induction. And it had the 1,000-plus in attendance howling.
                        Honorees Robert Brooks and LeRoy Butler credited the team’s strong family bond as the catalyst for its mid-1990s dominance by sharing several knee-slapping stories. Egos were set aside and camaraderie flourished, leading to hundreds of spilled beers in the front row of both end zones. Brooks’ presenter, Antonio Freeman, recalled dinners the team’s wide receiver unit held, with the bill alternating each week. On Freeman’s night to pay, Brooks ordered multiple entrees, jacking the price up to $1,200 for the not-quite-rich rookie Freeman. That night Brooks told a ticked Freeman that such an amount wouldn’t seem like much soon - that he was on the verge of stardom. The two became great friends, quickly becoming the league’s top receiving tandem. Saturday night Brooks referred to Freeman as his ‘little brother.’

                        Butler told a story of the veterans switching the MEN and WOMEN signs on the bathroom doors to trick a newcomer. The newbie waltzed in the restroom, only to see no urinals. He yelled and tried to fight his way out, but Butler and company held the door in, laughing hysterically before letting go and watching their new teammate hit the deck. That new guy was Brett Favre. An indescribable cohesive quality blended that team off the field, leading to wins on it. General Manager Ted Thompson is working diligently to create a similar atmosphere by building from within. Instead of lavish free agent spending, he has quietly rewarded his own players in hope of sending a positive message throughout the locker room. Training camp is where that mid-1990s attitude develops. Before Brooks broke out in 1995 for a team-record 1,497 receiving yards he needed to gain Favre’s trust as a number one wideout in August. Before Butler became such an unsuspecting blitz specialist, defensive coordinator Fritz Shurmur needed to experience with that wild notion in practice. Now it’s time to monitor future developments. Despite returning 20 of 22 starters from last season, plenty of questions blur the team’s playoff hopes. To seriously contend, many young guns must step up.

                        There are three players worth monitoring on the roster....First:

                        Marviel Underwood

                        Last off-season, safety Marquand Manuel was given a five-year, $10 million contract to serve as an upgrade over Mark Roman. That didn’t stop Marviel Underwood, who makes less than one-fourth of that amount, from emerging as a starting candidate next to Nick Collins in training camp. It was short-lived. Against San Diego in the 2006 preseason opener, Underwood tore his ACL and MCL knee ligaments, ruining his season. But the hard-hitting, 2005 fourth round pick’s hunger only grew. Underwood spent the 2006 season in Green Bay to train with the team’s medical staff and attend positional meetings, exactly as Brooks did a decade ago. It was a decision that surely helped Underwood gain the respect of his teammates and coaches. Mentally, he’s up to speed with Bob Sanders’ defensive system. Physically? We’ll see.

                        Some torn ACLs permanently affect an athlete’s speed. Burst subsides and sudden quickness tailors off. Hesitant running back Willis McGahee has experienced this effect. Whereas many like Brooks, the 1997 NFL Comeback Player of the Year recipient, return to nearly 100 percent. This summer Underwood’s recovery will be exposed. Can he sell a stunt close to the line and quickly reverse direction into the secondary at the snap of the ball ala Troy Polamalu? Will Underwood’s repaired knee hinder his closing speed? Psychologically, will he approach the game with less abandon? These questions will be answered in shells and in pads each practice. In his third NFL season, Underwood’s career is at a pivotal junction. At full health he has the skills to start over Manuel and rookie Aaron Rouse. But if his speed is visibly diminished, then Underwood may be released. Strong safety is one of three positions completely up for grabs this summer. After a productive off-season, Underwood should enter camp on pace with Manuel and Rouse.
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                        Three to keep an eye on: Part II

                        Dave Rayner. Dunne weighs kicker Dave Rayner's chances of remaining with the Packers.
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                        Three to keep an eye on: Part III

                        Vernand Morency and Brandon Jackson are the favorites to compete for the Packers starting running back job in training camp. Dunne states his case for Herron in the third part of his series on players to keep an eye on in training camp.

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                          Packers by position: Defensive line are a 'pretty strong group'

                          Just two years ago, the defensive line looked like the Green Bay Packers' Achilles' heel. But after two seasons of decent play by committee, the emergence of Aaron Kampman as a Pro Bowler, the move of ascending Cullen Jenkins to defensive end late last season and the drafting of defensive tackle Justin Harrell in the first round this year, this front line is becoming the anchor for the defensive identity that General Manager Ted Thompson is building for his team. "I think we've got a pretty good group (of defensive linemen), but I've felt that way since I got here," Thompson said. "We've made a few changes, but there's a lot of the same fellas here. We've moved some guys around, and I think one through nine, one through 10, however you look at that, it's a pretty strong group." Several developments on the line especially are important to the Packers' defense, which finished 12th in the NFL in yards allowed but only tied for 25th in points given up, in Bob Sanders' rookie season as NFL defensive coordinator.

                          The most obvious and stunning was Kampman's blowout year in 2006 after signing a four-year, $21 million contract in 2006. He proved himself one of the most complete strong-side defensive ends in the NFL. Kampman finished second in the league in sacks with 15½ and topped the 100-tackle mark (113) for the second straight season. But whether the defense makes a big move up league rankings this year depends more on not only Harrell's performance as a rookie, but whether moving Jenkins to defensive end three plays into the Week 13 game at San Francisco makes as big a difference as the numbers in the final four games suggest. At San Francisco, after Frank Gore ran to the Packers' right side for 78 yards on the 49ers' first two plays, Sanders replaced Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila with Jenkins at right defensive end. From that point on, the Packers allowed only 68 yards rushing to the 49ers, who finished sixth in the NFL in rushing yards per game. Excluding those first two plays, the Packers in the final four games gave up an average of 84.5 yards rushing per game, 206 yards in total offense per game and 10.5 points per game. The defensive coaches say they didn't move Jenkins earlier because of an ankle injury in Week 5 that sidelined him for two weeks and hobbled him for several weeks thereafter. But the staff also might have been reluctant because the defensive scheme allows for smaller defensive ends to play wider and force plays inside even on early downs.

                          Regardless, the Packers will get a full season to find out how big a difference the 295-pound Jenkins makes replacing the 247-pound Gbaja-Biamila on early downs. The Packers are loathe to say Jenkins was the biggest reason for the late-season defensive surge and prefer to share that credit with good play elsewhere, but Jenkins' new contract suggests otherwise. Just before the start of free agency this offseason, the Packers kept Jenkins off the open market by signing him to a four-year deal worth $16 million, including $6 million in signing and roster bonuses. That's a handsome deal for a player who flashed talent as an inside rusher but became an every-down player for only the final four games. "(Jenkins) has that unique ability that he can play all four spots along the defensive line and you wouldn't feel like you're giving up anything," Thompson said. "He's remarkably gifted, God blessed him with outstanding quickness, balance and agility that's remarkable for someone that big. He's comfortable (at right end). It helps us a little bit against base running packages, and as we've done in the past, he'll be used inside in passing situations some." Kampman, in the meantime, faces a major challenge matching his 2006 season statistically, but at 27 he's in his physical prime, along with having the intangibles such as work habits and instincts that coaches covet. Robert Nunn, one of the Packers' two defensive line coaches, recalled when he was an assistant coach for Miami, defensive end Jason Taylor went to the Pro Bowl in 2000 with 14½ sacks but had a better season the next year, when he missed out on the Pro Bowl and had only 8½ sacks. "Who knows?" Nunn said when asked if Kampman possibly can match his 2006 season. "I know he'll be prepared to have another year like that, because he works so hard at it, studies the game so well. I'm not sure he can have 16 sacks, but he may have more — he had the opportunity to have more last year. It's funny how that stuff works. Sometimes they just fall your way and sometimes they don't."

                          The Packers drafted Harrell to work into their three- or four-man rotation at defensive tackle immediately and at some point early in the season surpass Corey Williams as the starter opposite Ryan Pickett. The Packers still haven't seen Harrell work against an offensive lineman in a practice setting, because he sat out all but individual drills during offseason practices while recovering from the torn biceps tendon that ended his senior season at Tennessee. He'll be 10½ months removed from surgery when training camp opens Saturday and is expected to be ready for full contact. Thompson drafted Harrell (6-4, 310) as a pillar to build the defense around. "I think he can (help immediately)," Nunn said. "He's got to get in there and get into live team situations and get out there in pads and show them. The guy is so big and strong, a tough player. When he was healthy, he showed a lot of toughness in there and a lot of range. I think he could make a difference. He's such a big body in there." From top to bottom, defensive line probably is the Packers' deepest position. With Gbaja-Biamila they have a situational pass rusher who has 64½ sacks in seven NFL seasons, though only 14 the last two years combined. At 29, he's not shown the explosion of earlier in his career and doesn't have the range of counter moves that top rushers possess, but he might benefit from playing fewer snaps. Second-year pro Johnny Jolly and third-year pro Colin Cole should battle for the fourth defensive tackle spot, and third-year pro Michael Montgomery is the top candidate for the fourth defensive-end position. Undrafted Jason Hunter made the roster last year because of his pass-rush potential and will need to be game ready this season to win a roster spot.

                          Defensive ends

                          No. Players Ht. Wt. Age Yr. College
                          57 Jason Hunter 6-4 250 23 2 Appalachian State
                          67 DeVon Hicks 6-1 265 22 R Northwest Mississippi
                          74 Aaron Kampman 6-4 270 27 6 Iowa
                          77 Cullen Jenkins 6-2 295 26 4 Central Michigan
                          93 Larry Birdine 6-4 265 23 R Oklahoma
                          94 Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila 6-4 247 29 8 San Diego State
                          96 Michael Montgomery 6-5 265 23 3 Texas A&M

                          Defensive tackles

                          No. Players Ht. Wt. Age Yr. College
                          79 Ryan Pickett 6-2 322 27 6 Ohio State
                          90 Colin Cole 6-1 315 27 3 Iowa
                          91 Justin Harrell 6-4 310 23 R Tennessee
                          95 Daniel Muir 6-2 298 23 R Kent State
                          97 Johnny Jolly 6-3 312 24 2 Texas A&M
                          99 Corey Williams 6-4 313 26 4 Arkansas State

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                            TRAINING CAMP BATTLES



                            Training camp battles to watch. Competition will be heated at a number of positions.

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                              Tight ends Donald Lee and Tory Humphrey split snaps with the first-string offense throughout the offseason workouts, but it would be a mistake to read too much into that. According to a person familiar with the situation, veteran Bubba Franks is still very much in the picture. “Mike McCarthy wanted to give the young guys a chance,” said the source. “He doesn't know exactly what he has in Lee and Humphrey.
                              Umm, shoudn't he know by now what "exactly he has in Lee"?
                              "...one thing about me during the course of a game, I get emotional and say things my grandmother lets me know about later. But nobody wants to win on that field anymore than I do, no one." Brett Favre

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                                Originally posted by 4and12to12and4
                                Tight ends Donald Lee and Tory Humphrey split snaps with the first-string offense throughout the offseason workouts, but it would be a mistake to read too much into that. According to a person familiar with the situation, veteran Bubba Franks is still very much in the picture. “Mike McCarthy wanted to give the young guys a chance,” said the source. “He doesn't know exactly what he has in Lee and Humphrey.
                                Umm, shouldn't he know by now what "exactly he has in Lee"?
                                Lee is inconsistent. They're still hoping for that mythical light to go on where a player just gets it. His time has to be running out though.
                                Originally posted by 3irty1
                                This is museum quality stupidity.

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