The Official ULTIMATE debate thread on TT!

[wist43]

I've always thought Woodbuck was Tank and I still do in some ways. What 65 yr old canadian says a GM doesn't do DICK in an off season?

I have no problem with people getting on Tank because he loves it and it's more of a game for him. Is this Tank? Maybe not, but Woody is suspiciously stupid and that is what makes me think he's Tank or someone with similar motives.

I am not TANK.

I have never posted here, on any other Packer or other football forum as other than woodbuck27.

I'm hardly in my own defense stupid JustinHarrel, unless responding with the likes of you may be interpreted as so.

You and Tarlam! may go on. You may judge me as you feel it's important to both you and as it's your nature's to do so. Fill your boots and make fool of yourselves.

I need not use the language in the form of adjectives, slurs or an otherwise negative tone to lower myself to your levels. Rather I choose sympathy for you both (JustiHarrel and Tarlam!), a genuine compassion for the challenges that you both obviously are not condemned with.

Ted Thompson.

I simply have decided that for reasons of observation and a lack of his inspiring me. . . I'm not on the TT bandwagon as yet and do hope one day to land there.

I'm a Packer fan first. As I see it. It's not our fortune to have Ted Thompson as our GM.

I simply have responded to the question of favor for or against Ted Thompson as our GM.

If my personal response doesn't agree with you two fellas. That doesn't give you leeway to shit on me, attempt to insult me, flame me or otherwise discredit my personal observations and feelings regarding Ted Thompson.

I used to think Tex's tag for me, "The Great Satan of All Detractors" was the lowest slander I'd seen on any of these sites, but to be called "Tank"... that's pretty low!!!

I got your back Woody... these young bucks want to rumble??? I'd imagine we'd be pretty heavy work...

[MJZiggy]

Watch who you're calling a BUCK, Wist...



:P

[woodbuck27]

I've always thought Woodbuck was Tank and I still do in some ways. What 65 yr old canadian says a GM doesn't do DICK in an off season?

I have no problem with people getting on Tank because he loves it and it's more of a game for him. Is this Tank? Maybe not, but Woody is suspiciously stupid and that is what makes me think he's Tank or someone with similar motives.

I am not TANK.

I have never posted here, on any other Packer or other football forum as other than woodbuck27.

I'm hardly in my own defense stupid JustinHarrel, unless responding with the likes of you may be interpreted as so.

You and Tarlam! may go on. You may judge me as you feel it's important to both you and as it's your nature's to do so. Fill your boots and make fool of yourselves.

I need not use the language in the form of adjectives, slurs or an otherwise negative tone to lower myself to your levels. Rather I choose sympathy for you both (JustiHarrel and Tarlam!), a genuine compassion for the challenges that you both obviously are not condemned with.

Ted Thompson.

I simply have decided that for reasons of observation and a lack of his inspiring me. . . I'm not on the TT bandwagon as yet and do hope one day to land there.

I'm a Packer fan first. As I see it. It's not our fortune to have Ted Thompson as our GM.

I simply have responded to the question of favor for or against Ted Thompson as our GM.

If my personal response doesn't agree with you two fellas. That doesn't give you leeway to shit on me, attempt to insult me, flame me or otherwise discredit my personal observations and feelings regarding Ted Thompson.

I used to think Tex's tag for me, "The Great Satan of All Detractors" was the lowest slander I'd seen on any of these sites, but to be called "Tank"... that's pretty low!!!

I got your back Woody... these young bucks want to rumble??? I'd imagine we'd be pretty heavy work...

Haha ! Thanks wist43

Nothing, should ever lower us to a lower level. To ever get sucked into their obvious place of despair, as they meet their daily challenge and fall on the renders of their own abuses.

To everyone:

This is first and foremost a Packer fan forum. This is my and your Packer home. We have to secure,protect that, for all it's value. For the contribution we make to what's really decent and positive here.

This isn't the place for ridicule, implied falsifications or insults otherwise.

This isn't a ring where the more or less healthy esteemed (in their deluded sense) need to duel it out

The dreamers and the deluded? I'm not taken to adjectives that seperate the mass's into feed bins. As a common person I allude to the common reference.

Different strokes for different folks.

Their are alot of personalities on this board. Some people here fail the requirements of decency and common repect for 'the fact' we are simply Packer fans. They want to take it. . . to the personal.

Some here, often lost. Amongst those who retain honor and pureness, displayed in hope and certain fairness, even if, we ** don't see a positive prognosis for the immediate future of our team.

That **. . . based in clear observation and analysis.

Funny how their defense mechanisms, are as a mirror. A reflection of their psyche's and personal challenges. Exposed in their garments of despair. If that shoe fits? May YOU find peace.

It's all very sad, How YOU turn on yourselves before the battle.

Insult and ridicule, your weapons of choice, will never blanket insecurities. Position's cloaked in common displays of immaturity,insult and preposterous ridicule.

The intellect of the worn or unwise? Maybe?

That choice serves lost needs, a diversion from looking at real pains.

Rather than a decent respect, a decent attempt to understand anyone with an opposing position. YOU choose the path of insult and ridicule.

A far better choice would be, in common terms,

to get your heads out of your ass's.

To choose decency regarding tolerance for others is a better choice, rather than arrogance displays for those YOU choose to diminish.

If the good guys here don't stand up to YOUR ways and ignorant displays of low self esteem. We risk this Packer home becoming what we felt at JSO.

I'll be damn'd if that happens as I make my small contribution and learn here.

Again, Thanks wist43

Ohhh . . . by the way. . .

JustinHarrel and Tarlam!. . . GO POUND SAND !!! PLEASE !!!

Come on. We are all Packer fans here for the most part.

Should any of us hold our opinions too highly?

[Scott Campbell]

What we have to see is 12-20 and a very slow off season and what that will lend to 2007.

GOD help us all.

hehe.......GOD help us all.

[BallHawk]

If God was starting a football team, Jesus would be the coach and Ted Thompson would be the GM.

Does anybody dare question this statement now?

[Carolina_Packer]

What a bunch of candy ass's. Four other posters here voted as anti TT and hunched under their keyboards.

I'm clearly anti TT. Why would that be?

Ted Thompson has produced a Packer team that has a record of 12-20 since his arrival. That just plain sucks when you have a QB as good as Brett Favre.

The reason for this disaster can be seen through the history of injuries we suffered in 2005, and 'the fact' that we had a lousy OL then, and no real recovery since.

If you study the sack to sack ratio bet. our DL and OL we have one of the best in our favor in the NFL but alot of that has to go to the fact that Favre is still mobile out of the pocket and otherwise very hard to sack. How often he had to roll out of the pocket was dictated by the fact he was rushed alot and that means he wasn't able to concentarate on checkdowns.

We must see that result (or improved OL play) in this season or we play no better. We don't have even have the luxery of the talent and experience we had last season on offense, having lost Ahman Green (and his blocking ability and overall leadership and savvy), and the limited as it was use of David Martin and William Henderson (and his leadership).

TT has decided to put his time and the money into re-establishing strength in the lines. He has done a decent job there, but the only person he's added with any credibility is Ryan Pickett, who didn't exactly turn it on last season. He certainly took awhile to wake up to the system.

The best addition that TT has given the Packers in FA is C. Woodson and he's by far the best. Then I'll go with Pickett. Otherwise, TT has demonstrated little talent in acquiring FA's, yet people here will argue that he is an excellent talent evaluator?

UHH??

He's had a bundle of money available to him, and he brings in only two decent talents and both of these on defense. TT has done diddly to support Favre and the offensive side of the ball.

How could that be, if he's responsible to the Packers financially and as a GM with skills to evaluate talent, and to use all that, to ensure that we wern't embarassed on the scoreboard or record wise?

I don't like TT because he hasn't the skills to stand up and be counted. He has little respect for the fan and he has ignored the needs and skills of Brett Favre to enable the Packers to have any real opportunity to win.

People here will laud him with praise when any Packer fan with half a clue would have had the sense to draft an AJ Hawk; but a Justin Harrel (with his injury history) when we had to address more important needs all over the team on both sides of the ball? Come on !! That was a poor decision for our needs now and our future with the risk evident in Harrel's injury history.

Ted Thompson acts in so many ways like an egotistic coward. This is his team people say. Well for the sake of GOD why is he so invisable?

He has an excellent sense in the draft people say. Yet, TT continues to supply us with a watered down product. He's not drafting as in baseball to fill a farm system, but to feed the needs of the Green Bay Packers.

That means to get the best players available per pick in that draft. Quantity will never be better than quality in the long run.

The ego of this man is overwhelming at times. He allows that our RB's are just fine, and that also speaks for our TE's. That only explains the fact he ignored our team in these areas in FA.

People here are willing to allow TT this season and the result better be impressive or they will no longer toss their support blindly behind him.

For all that is sensible do you really believe that our team will be prepared to win in 2007? Has Ted Thompson paved the way for only that result? Has he spent the CAP money wisely? Did he do all he could to attract talent to the team?

or did he act like the shifty, bad assed (cocky). lazy and cheap with the purse strings GM that I see?

How much loyality did he show to Brett Favre and to you as a Packer fan?

I certainly don't admire Ted Thompson, and I am sure I will see the day his ass is sent packing out of Green Bay?

He's a mere myth and alot of you here have created him.

Go on dreaming!!

Do we have to wake up yet? Don't even think about waking me, we're 13-3 and have a first round bye. How did your predictions work out, Chicken Little (aka, Woodbuck)? If we were 13-3 with a sucky GM, then I want some more suckiness. He may not do things the way you would, but that doesn't make him wrong, except in your book. He just does it differently. You are myopic about acquiring free agents, vs. finding young talent and developing them. FA's can work out, but I agree with the idea of picking your spots for them, not opening up the bank account for the flavor of the week, month, or year. It's not all about free agency, and I think 13-3 shows that.

[Tarlam!]

TT has won a single game, more than he has lost.

4-12, 8-8, 13-3 to date.

If we lose next week, he'll be an even .500.

That's better than I was expecting when I started this thread...

[Tony Oday]

Not overpaying for Rivera or Green. Getting rid of that Biatch Walker.

looks like he was right here

[SD GB fan]

If God was starting a football team, Jesus would be the coach and Ted Thompson would be the GM.

Does anybody dare question this statement now?

Moses would be jealous.

[Bretsky]

If God was starting a football team, Jesus would be the coach and Ted Thompson would be the GM.

Does anybody dare question this statement now?

Yes

Come back and ask when we win a title

[BallHawk]

If God was starting a football team, Jesus would be the coach and Ted Thompson would be the GM.

Does anybody dare question this statement now?

Moses would be jealous.

Moses would be a crappy coach. He only has 10 plays in his "playbook"

[HarveyWallbangers]

If God was starting a football team, Jesus would be the coach and Ted Thompson would be the GM.

Does anybody dare question this statement now?

Yes

Come back and ask when we win a title

Et tu Bretsky? You sound like packnut. At first, he was like: we are going to be 6-10. Then, he was like: if Thompson had done more, we could be a legitimate contender. He hasn't been around much since the about week 6.

The GM can only do so much. Look at the talent San Diego had last year. His only criteria for success can't be that. If he guides this team to years like this one most years, but the team falls short, it would be hard to blame him for it. I think his job is to put us in this position a lot.

[Scott Campbell]

Agreed Harv, the GM gives the team that talent to contend. Ted's done his job - for this year anyway. The true test is if we can remain competitive over a number of years. So even a Superbowl wouldn't stamp him as the be all end all of GM's. You've got to be able to stay up there.

But I think there are still some guys holding out hope that Ted falls flat on his face.

[Bretsky]

If God was starting a football team, Jesus would be the coach and Ted Thompson would be the GM.

Does anybody dare question this statement now?

Yes

Come back and ask when we win a title

Et tu Bretsky? You sound like packnut. At first, he was like: we are going to be 6-10. Then, he was like: if Thompson had done more, we could be a legitimate contender. He hasn't been around much since the about week 6.

The GM can only do so much. Look at the talent San Diego had last year. His only criteria for success can't be that. If he guides this team to years like this one most years, but the team falls short, it would be hard to blame him for it. I think his job is to put us in this position a lot.

Ah stop acting so sensitive I've given TT loads upon loads of credit this season. But I won't put the royal crown on until the title shows up. Hopefully this year or next.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Ah stop acting so sensitive I've given TT loads upon loads of credit this season. But I won't put the royal crown on until the title shows up. Hopefully this year or next.

What if Green Bay goes 13-3 the next two years, but loses to New England in the Super Bowl the next three years?