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    I recently bought a pass to the site and got all the NFL teams articles....so here ya go.....


    This story originally published on PackerReport.com
    The Green Bay Ravens?


    Posted Jul 7, 2007

    Little off-season love for offense puts pressure on defense to win games in 2007, says PackerReport.com's Doug Ritchay

    The last two NFL drafts the Green Bay Packers have had a chance to implement some firepower into their offense during the first round and both years the Packers passed on offense and went to defense. In 2006, the Packers selected linebacker A.J. Hawk over tight end Vernon Davis, which, few, if anyone, complained. This past April, the Packers picked oft-injured defensive tackle Justin Harrell over a handful of wide receivers, and this pick raised eyebrows.
    Harrell wasn't only a health risk, he makes the deepest position on the roster even deeper, while offense remains a work in progress. Yes, the Packers drafted wide receiver Greg Jennings last year and running back Brandon Jackson this year, both in the second round, but with little receiver depth and no big-play people at tight end, the Packers' offense needed an infusion of explosiveness outside.

    It didn't come, and during the off-season this direction made me wonder if the Packers are the second coming of the Baltimore Ravens, who won the Super Bowl after the 2000 season, mainly based on a running game and defense.

    They had to, Trent Dilfer was the quarterback.

    But with Brett Favre still under center for Green Bay, why haven't the Packers given him more help outside? My guess is GM Ted Thompson is trying to build from the inside out, which is common in the NFL. Start on the lines and move outside when you're set in the trenches.

    The other idea is Thompson is bracing for LAB — Life After Brett. Knowing Aaron Rodgers is the untested heir apparent, Thompson is building the defense in an effort to not put pressure on Rodgers to score 30 points a game, when it's finally his turn. Makes sense, but what if the offense doesn't improve this season? The Packers can't win every week 14-10, the offense has to give it weeks off.

    Thompson is building during Favre's final seasons, which is tricky. He's preparing for the future, while many NFL teams look at the future as now. The NFL has become a win-now league, but Thompson isn't flinching. He's picking the best players on his draft board and going from there. Ironically, Thompson has made 23 picks over the last two drafts and only 10 are defensive selections. This would give you the idea the Packers are on the offensive. They're not. Among the 13 offensive picks are four offensive linemen, one running back and one tight end picked in the seventh round (not likely to make impacts ever), one quarterback (third-stringer Ingle Martin) and one kicker.

    The Packers had to remake their offensive line after the 2005 debacle and did so in 2006. Nonetheless, if the offense is going to make a marked improvement in 2007, the Packers need Jennings to be the picture of health, starting opposite Donald Driver, while Jackson better live up to his second-round grade the Packers gave him this past draft.

    If one or both disappoint, Favre has every right to be ticked, because the offense has no other options. There is nothing proven beyond Green Bay's top two receivers, while tight end Bubba Franks has plummeted so far it seems unlikely he'll ever get close to being a factor again.

    Receiver Koren Robinson may come back in September, but without the ability to work out with the team until he is reinstated after violating the league's substance abuse policy, the realistic expectation is he can help in the return game and maybe later in the season on offense.

    Robert Ferguson, Ruvell Martin, Carlyle Holiday and draft picks James Jones and David Clowney don't exactly scare defenses, but one of them will be the team's No. 3 receiver to start the season.

    The Packers' approach to this off-season was befuddling, at least on offense. They didn't acquire a veteran running back and are going with the combination of Vernand Morency and Jackson, which could be one of the five worst combinations in the league, starting out.

    With no reliable depth at wide receiver the Packers waited until the third round to pick Jones and snapped up Clowney in the fifth. Picking at that stage of the draft, you can't expect either to do much. Receivers in the first two rounds struggle as rookies.

    With this being the direction the Packers are going, they will rely on their defense to lead the way to the playoffs in 2007. And maybe, in time, the running game catches up as the offensive line looks solid.

    Still, this team doesn't look that great. But who thought the Ravens were

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    Re: Green Bay Ravens?

    In 2006, the Packers selected linebacker A.J. Hawk over tight end Vernon Davis, which, few, if anyone, complained. This past April, the Packers picked oft-injured defensive tackle Justin Harrell over a handful of wide receivers, and this pick raised eyebrows.
    Harrell wasn't only a health risk, he makes the deepest position on the roster even deeper, while offense remains a work in progress.
    I don't see what the Packers should of done here. Meachem is, as of now, injured. Sidney Rice would of been a reach as Dwayne Jarrett would of been. If Ted Ginn was there you could of made the arguement, but none of these guys were instant-impact talents, which I'm assuming the author thinks the Packers have got.

    David Clowney doesn't exactly scare defenses
    Oh, c'mon, I'm sure at least one NFL DB is afraid of clowns.

    The Packers' approach to this off-season was befuddling, at least on offense. They didn't acquire a veteran running back and are going with the combination of Vernand Morency and Jackson, which could be one of the five worst combinations in the league, starting out.
    Who should we of got? Ahman Green was overpaid, Dominic Rhodes is a drunk, etc. There wasn't any great talent out there. I'd rather go with youth.

    To say they are one of the 5 worst in the league is a strech. Maybe worst 10, but not worst 5. On paper it looks bad, but if Jackson or Morency steps it up, the running game could be pretty good.
    "I've got one word for you- Dallas, Texas, Super Bowl"- Jermichael Finley

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    • #3
      Worst five combo in the NFL; I'm too lazy to go team to team, but I bet if somebody like Rastak...aka..a more neutral source...analyzed

      I bet the GB RB duo would be in the bottom five.

      Now they could prove to be more than suffice, but on paper their talent positions on offense looks sub par and an injury to Driver or Jennings would be devastating..........on paper at this point.
      TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Bretsky
        Worst five combo in the NFL; I'm too lazy to go team to team, but I bet if somebody like Rastak...aka..a more neutral source...analyzed
        Forget, Ras. I'm as neutral as it gets around here.

        Being objective, here are some teams that I think are, arguably, worse then the Pack, or equal to them, at the RB position.

        Buffalo: They've got a rookie in Lynch and a 2 TD guy in Anthony Thomas. Unless Lynch is unbelievable, they could be bottom 5.

        Cleveland: If Jamal is like what he was last year, they're fine, but if he gets hurt or plays average, they've got nobody behind him.

        Titans: One of the worst situations, if not the worst situation, in the league. A rookie in Chris Henry and LenDale White. They're RBs have a career experience of 244 yards and 0 TDs. Ouch.

        Teams that I see as being very close to us in talent level at RB: Houston, Oakland, New York Giants, Carolina.

        I see how you can make the argument we're bottom five, but I think we're more bottom 10, then bottom 5.
        "I've got one word for you- Dallas, Texas, Super Bowl"- Jermichael Finley

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        • #5
          Thanks for posting, Ras.

          That being said, this guy's a joke. The article is rambling, poorly written, and poorly thought out. Reminds me of some of the amateur stuff that is posted on message boards like JSO, and to a lesser extent, this one. It does not strike me as an article from a professional sports publication, and yet it is one.

          They could get better writing and better Packer team analysis from any of about 3 dozen regular posters here at Packerrats---at least a couple of whom aren't even Packer fans.

          [/rant]

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Bretsky
            Worst five combo in the NFL; I'm too lazy to go team to team, but I bet if somebody like Rastak...aka..a more neutral source...analyzed

            I bet the GB RB duo would be in the bottom five.

            Now they could prove to be more than suffice, but on paper their talent positions on offense looks sub par and an injury to Driver or Jennings would be devastating..........on paper at this point.
            And as Denver has shown in the past you don't really need a big name running back in the zone blocking system. I really think our O-line will be greatly improved next season now having a year of experience under their belt.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Brandon494
              Originally posted by Bretsky
              Worst five combo in the NFL; I'm too lazy to go team to team, but I bet if somebody like Rastak...aka..a more neutral source...analyzed

              I bet the GB RB duo would be in the bottom five.

              Now they could prove to be more than suffice, but on paper their talent positions on offense looks sub par and an injury to Driver or Jennings would be devastating..........on paper at this point.
              And as Denver has shown in the past you don't really need a big name running back in the zone blocking system. I really think our O-line will be greatly improved next season now having a year of experience under their belt.

              It's not the system, it's the players. Denver had some very good OL's.
              We were in the ZBS last year and by no means did we tear it up.

              B
              TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Brandon494
                Originally posted by Bretsky
                Worst five combo in the NFL; I'm too lazy to go team to team, but I bet if somebody like Rastak...aka..a more neutral source...analyzed

                I bet the GB RB duo would be in the bottom five.

                Now they could prove to be more than suffice, but on paper their talent positions on offense looks sub par and an injury to Driver or Jennings would be devastating..........on paper at this point.
                And as Denver has shown in the past you don't really need a big name running back in the zone blocking system. I really think our O-line will be greatly improved next season now having a year of experience under their belt.
                Experience does not mean anything if you are good. I think the jury is very much out on whether any of the 3 2nd year guys are ok, good, great or washouts. I remember the Jets and Pats games!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by bbbffl66
                  Originally posted by Brandon494
                  Originally posted by Bretsky
                  Worst five combo in the NFL; I'm too lazy to go team to team, but I bet if somebody like Rastak...aka..a more neutral source...analyzed

                  I bet the GB RB duo would be in the bottom five.

                  Now they could prove to be more than suffice, but on paper their talent positions on offense looks sub par and an injury to Driver or Jennings would be devastating..........on paper at this point.
                  And as Denver has shown in the past you don't really need a big name running back in the zone blocking system. I really think our O-line will be greatly improved next season now having a year of experience under their belt.
                  Experience does not mean anything if you are good. I think the jury is very much out on whether any of the 3 2nd year guys are ok, good, great or washouts. I remember the Jets and Pats games!
                  I remember the Pats and Jets game also. I also remember that we had two rookie starters on the O-line, first year starting center, learning a new offensive scheme, learning a new blockin scheme, had a new head coach and offensive coach. The two rookies will be stronger this season and the O-line now has a year experience playing with each other. Also if you don't think experience means anything you have a lot of learn.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by BallHawk
                    Buffalo: They've got a rookie in Lynch and a 2 TD guy in Anthony Thomas. Unless Lynch is unbelievable, they could be bottom 5.

                    Cleveland: If Jamal is like what he was last year, they're fine, but if he gets hurt or plays average, they've got nobody behind him.

                    Titans: One of the worst situations, if not the worst situation, in the league. A rookie in Chris Henry and LenDale White. They're RBs have a career experience of 244 yards and 0 TDs. Ouch.

                    Teams that I see as being very close to us in talent level at RB: Houston, Oakland, New York Giants, Carolina.

                    I see how you can make the argument we're bottom five, but I think we're more bottom 10, then bottom 5.
                    I was with you on everyone of those teams--until you stated Carolina. Foster is decent, and DeAngelo Williams will be a star, IMHO.
                    "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
                      Originally posted by BallHawk
                      Buffalo: They've got a rookie in Lynch and a 2 TD guy in Anthony Thomas. Unless Lynch is unbelievable, they could be bottom 5.

                      Cleveland: If Jamal is like what he was last year, they're fine, but if he gets hurt or plays average, they've got nobody behind him.

                      Titans: One of the worst situations, if not the worst situation, in the league. A rookie in Chris Henry and LenDale White. They're RBs have a career experience of 244 yards and 0 TDs. Ouch.

                      Teams that I see as being very close to us in talent level at RB: Houston, Oakland, New York Giants, Carolina.

                      I see how you can make the argument we're bottom five, but I think we're more bottom 10, then bottom 5.
                      I was with you on everyone of those teams--until you stated Carolina. Foster is decent, and DeAngelo Williams will be a star, IMHO.
                      I was thinking that too regarding Carolina, although I don't have quite as much faith in Foster. Williams is very talented.

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                      • #12
                        I view Foster as being maybe slightly better than Morency. I really like Williams too, but comparing him to Jackson, I don't think it's unreasonable to say that they are a close comparison.
                        "I've got one word for you- Dallas, Texas, Super Bowl"- Jermichael Finley

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by BallHawk
                          I view Foster as being maybe slightly better than Morency. I really like Williams too, but comparing him to Jackson, I don't think it's unreasonable to say that they are a close comparison.
                          And I thought you said you could be neutral ?

                          It's not reasonable to compare Jackson to De-Angelo yet.
                          TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by BallHawk
                            Originally posted by Bretsky
                            Worst five combo in the NFL; I'm too lazy to go team to team, but I bet if somebody like Rastak...aka..a more neutral source...analyzed
                            Forget, Ras. I'm as neutral as it gets around here.

                            Being objective, here are some teams that I think are, arguably, worse then the Pack, or equal to them, at the RB position.

                            Buffalo: They've got a rookie in Lynch and a 2 TD guy in Anthony Thomas. Unless Lynch is unbelievable, they could be bottom 5.

                            Cleveland: If Jamal is like what he was last year, they're fine, but if he gets hurt or plays average, they've got nobody behind him.

                            Titans: One of the worst situations, if not the worst situation, in the league. A rookie in Chris Henry and LenDale White. They're RBs have a career experience of 244 yards and 0 TDs. Ouch.

                            Teams that I see as being very close to us in talent level at RB: Houston, Oakland, New York Giants, Carolina.

                            I see how you can make the argument we're bottom five, but I think we're more bottom 10, then bottom 5.
                            I agree that the article isn't very well written... one of my petter peeves.

                            However, I agree that the Packers running game is among the worst in the league. Perhaps they can elevate their running game with a years worth of experience, both by the players and coaches, but in terms of talent, the Packers are definitely underpowered.
                            wist

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Bretsky
                              Originally posted by BallHawk
                              I view Foster as being maybe slightly better than Morency. I really like Williams too, but comparing him to Jackson, I don't think it's unreasonable to say that they are a close comparison.
                              And I thought you said you could be neutral ?

                              It's not reasonable to compare Jackson to De-Angelo yet.
                              Neutral is, as HE defines it.... LMAO... Anyone who would argue that our RB's are "comparable" to the rest of the league has some serious issues with non-removable kool-aid goggles. NO NFL franchise will EVER have to put 8 men in the box to stop our run in 2007. What impact do you think that's going to have on the passing game? hmm?

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