Green Bay Ravens?

[wist43]

Favre was originally a 2nd round pick that Wolfe had the guts to give up a 1st round pick for; White was the FA of all FA's, and there was a bidding war for him.

1) Would TT give up a 1st round pick for any current NFL player??? let alone one that was drafted in the 2nd round and had a rep for being an unfocused partier???

2) Would TT engage in a top of the market bidding war for any FA???

Of course he wouldn't... it's simply not in his personality, and doesn't fit the template he has been working off of since he got here.

I'm sure TT has evaluated a ton of players that he thinks are good. Has he gone after anyone??? No. It's one thing to think a player is good and worth pursuing, it's quite another to actually construct and execute the trade or signing.

Favre and White became Packers b/c Wolfe was bold and creative. TT is neither.

[MJZiggy]

1. From what I understand, TT's recommendation WAS to get him--that he WAS worth it.

2. There had never been before and never will again be a free agent like Reggie White. Even though his acquisition is completely irrelevant to what TT would do, he was the best around, not just the best available. Would TT have gone after him? You can't say that he wouldn't any more than I can say that he would. What I can say is that there won't BE another free agent like him available so it's really a moot point.

[wist43]

1. From what I understand, TT's recommendation WAS to get him--that he WAS worth it.

2. There had never been before and never will again be a free agent like Reggie White. Even though his acquisition is completely irrelevant to what TT would do, he was the best around, not just the best available. Would TT have gone after him? You can't say that he wouldn't any more than I can say that he would. What I can say is that there won't BE another free agent like him available so it's really a moot point.

I think what we're discussing here, more than the merits of what a particular player may offer, is TT's personality and whether HE would do what it takes to acquire that player, or any other player.

Wolfe was a gutsy, shoot from the hip type of GM. TT may have served Wolfe ably as a talent evaluator and administrator, but they're different people with different personalities.

TT is very staid and conservative in his approach as GM... quite the opposite of Wolfe.

[MJZiggy]

TT is very staid and conservative in his approach as GM... quite the opposite of Wolfe.

So far, but unless you've been either married to him or had long discussions with him on his player acquisistion philosophies, including detailed analyses of why he made the moves that he did, then you can't accurately make definitive statements about what he will or won't do. All you have to go on is what he's done so far without much of an explanation as to his reasoning behind each move. You're making concrete statements off of assumptions.

[Tarlam!]

You're making concrete statements off of assumptions.

Yeah, Wisty, and nobody else on this forum EVER does that except you!

[wist43]

I've been checkmated Tar...

Think I'll tuck my tail between my legs and run up front (they keep us lab guys locked up in the back, as we're an embarrassment to the "normal" folk) and get a cup of coffee. That might cheer me up... or at least perk me up, lol.

[Scott Campbell]

I've been checkmated Tar...

Think I'll tuck my tail between my legs and run up front (they keep us lab guys locked up in the back, as we're an embarrassment to the "normal" folk) and get a cup of coffee. That might cheer me up... or at least perk me up, lol.

Now think about that for a moment Wist. Imagine you were in the PR department for the Packers, and responsible for making season ticket holders happy. I bet you could whittle that 30 year wait down to 3 months in your first week on the job.

There's a good reason that companies keep the "realists" in back away from the normal folk.

[Scott Campbell]

So far, but unless you've been either married to him or had long discussions with him on his player acquisistion philosophies, including detailed analyses of why he made the moves that he did, then you can't accurately make definitive statements about what he will or won't do. All you have to go on is what he's done so far without much of an explanation as to his reasoning behind each move. You're making concrete statements off of assumptions.

Extremely well said.

[wist43]

I can remember back in the 90's - I was the Kool-Aid drinker.

It had been so long since we had seen a winner, everyone was very skeptical, and I was one of the few voices in the wilderness trying to convince people that Favre could play, and that the team was headed in the right direction.

"A 1st rounder for a guy who was originally a 2nd rounder???" Most were skeptical if not pissed... but I knew Favre could play, as I had seen him play several games in college.

When White signed, more people got on the bandwagon... and it was a fun ride. All along, even though I had to pinch myself from time to time, I knew we were headed in the right direction and would have a very good shot at winning a SB.

Just don't see it or feel it with TT.

[MJZiggy]

That's because you're older and more curmudgeony (and before you all jump on me, yes I know that's not REALLY a word...)