Bill Maas - Dumb Act No Act

[Rastak]

When ya don't agree to the search....

They go get the dogs & make damned sure to do a real good search.

So let me get this straight, they pull you over along with everybody else on the freeway, then ask to search your car because they think you look "suspisious". If you decline they bring in dogs...I really hope you were kidding.

[Scott Campbell]

When ya don't agree to the search....

They go get the dogs & make damned sure to do a real good search.

So let me get this straight, they pull you over along with everybody else on the freeway, then ask to search your car because they think you look "suspisious". If you decline they bring in dogs...I really hope you were kidding.

They did this at the border coming into Utah from Wyoming (Evanston) over the 4th of July holiday. They were looking for 2 things - illegal fireworks and 1/4 barrels which are illegal for consumer use in Utah.

[KYPack]

When ya don't agree to the search....

They go get the dogs & make damned sure to do a real good search.

So let me get this straight, they pull you over along with everybody else on the freeway, then ask to search your car because they think you look "suspisious". If you decline they bring in dogs...I really hope you were kidding.

Yeah, Ras, that's the deal.

Our "rights" to prevent illegal search and siezure were stripped away years ago. Now, if they wanna search, they do it. They only ask the question to get your reaction.

If you seem sober and lucid and aren't afraid to be searched, they skip it.

But,

If you are shakey, & say shit like , "why do you wanna search my car?"....

You get tossed & tossed good.

[retailguy]

When ya don't agree to the search....

They go get the dogs & make damned sure to do a real good search.

So let me get this straight, they pull you over along with everybody else on the freeway, then ask to search your car because they think you look "suspisious". If you decline they bring in dogs...I really hope you were kidding.

Yeah, Ras, that's the deal.

Our "rights" to prevent illegal search and siezure were stripped away years ago. Now, if they wanna search, they do it. They only ask the question to get your reaction.

If you seem sober and lucid and aren't afraid to be searched, they skip it.

But,

If you are shakey, & say shit like , "why do you wanna search my car?"....

You get tossed & tossed good.

This is true. A "search" by the dog is not illegal as the dog is outside the car. If the dog picks up a scent, now they have probable cause to search without your permission. If the dog doesn't find anything, it is very likely that you don't have anything in the car anyway.

[Fritz]

Maybe he was more nervous about the hot 27 year old than any illegal substances....mebbe he had a wife at home...

[swede]

I know this is moving into Romper Room territory, but...

Should a police officer pull you over for a legitimate reason, such as speeding, it seems to me that the officer has the right to ask to search and then call for the dogs when consent is not given.

Randomly pulling vehicles to the side of the road for a "safety check" should be considered a violation of constitutional protection.

The SCOTUS has decided in the past that high school students may not be forced to submit to blood or urine tests UNLESS they wish to participate in extracurricular activities and thus agree to an elevated level of scrutiny in order to enjoy the privilege of athletics. Simply going to school doesn't cause you to give up constitutional prohibitions against illegal search and seizure.

IMHO driving through the corrupt and ugly state of Illinois is a necessity that only desperate citizens undertake in order to get to Indiana or Missouri. Why penalize them further by allowing the local cops to pull over "random" (spell that as "profiled") vehicles under the thinly veiled excuse of running safety checks.


I don't like Bill Maas much, and I am all for proper enforcement of the law, but this "safety check" garbage is pretty shady.

In a perfect world the ACLU would quit worrying about Guantamo's non-uniformed enemy combatants and take care of business in Illinois and Florida and the other states abusing the constitution in this manner.


In an even more perfect world I'd be posting about training camp stuff and not about Bill Maas getting cavity searched by Illinois cops.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I don't like Bill Maas much

Bill Maas is a good TV analyst, although he does have motor mouth moments. Makes you wonder about that ecstacy - did he drink a lot of bottled water on the set?

[the_idle_threat]

It's my understanding that the law treats driving as a privilege rather than a right. Hence the government's ability to license it (i.e. give permission to do it), and enforce rules all the way down to unpaid parking tickets with the threat of revocation. The government can't require a license for exercise of a legal right, nor can it revoke a legal right for something as mundane as a parking ticket.

Therefore---like the H.S. athlete who enjoys the privilege of athletics in exchange for allowing "elevated scrutiny"---those who exercise the privilege of driving allow themselves to be subject to search techniques such as this that probably would not fly if done, say, at your home, or even on your person if you were walking down the sidewalk. I haven't studied the subject, but I suspect the reasoning goes along these lines.

[Rastak]

It's my understanding that the law treats driving as a privilege rather than a right. Hence the government's ability to license it (i.e. give permission to do it), and enforce rules all the way down to unpaid parking tickets with the threat of revocation. The government can't require a license for exercise of a legal right, nor can it revoke a legal right for something as mundane as a parking ticket.

Therefore---like the H.S. athlete who enjoys the privilege of athletics in exchange for allowing "elevated scrutiny"---those who exercise the privilege of driving allow themselves to be subject to search techniques such as this that probably would not fly if done, say, at your home, or even on your person if you were walking down the sidewalk. I haven't studied the subject, but I suspect the reasoning goes along these lines.

That makes perfect sense. I wonder how long until living in my house is a privilege.

[the_idle_threat]

Do you have a nice house?

[Rastak]

Do you have a nice house?

All kidding aside, the law requires probable cause to pull someone over or evidence isn't admissable. Privilege or not. Clearly the courts intended to protect the citizens from random stops, then the colossal idiots in the supreme court say it's fine to just stop everybody. Now people tell me
they can decide they think you look funny and use dogs to sniff your car after being pulled over with everyone else. Holy shit. At least I don't drive drunk or haul drugs around which means I'm safe from worry but good god, drivers in a third world country have exactly the same rights as this.

[KYPack]

Do you have a nice house?

All kidding aside, the law requires probable cause to pull someone over or evidence isn't admissible. Privilege or not. Clearly the courts intended to protect the citizens from random stops, then the colossal idiots in the supreme court say it's fine to just stop everybody. Now people tell me
they can decide they think you look funny and use dogs to sniff your car after being pulled over with everyone else. Holy shit. At least I don't drive drunk or haul drugs around which means I'm safe from worry but good god, drivers in a third world country have exactly the same rights as this.

Jeezus, Ras.

I know you hoopters have pretty cold weather over there, but Christ!

Don't they have TV or newspapers er somethin where ya live?

This erosion of rights and ignoring of the constitution has been going on now for awhile. It has happened over the guise of "law and order" and mainly been a political expedient, but shit, i didn't know there was no news of it in Minnesota.

Go ahead & study up, & get pissed.

I've already lapsed back into apathy on the whole thing.

You go ahead and carry the fight!

[Scott Campbell]

Bill Maas, a two-time NFL All-Pro who joined Fox in 1996, was arrested Friday night in Peoria, Ill., and charged with illegal drug possession and unlawful use of a weapon. Fox's Dan Bell says Maas, used on a spot basis on Fox after losing his full-time analyst role two seasons ago, "wasn't expected" to work for Fox this season and now "will not be coming back to Fox in any capacity."

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/hiestand-tv/2007-07-08-hiestand-faldo_N.htm?csp=34

[HarveyWallbangers]

Don't they have TV or newspapers er somethin where ya live?

This erosion of rights and ignoring of the constitution has been going on now for awhile. It has happened over the guise of "law and order" and mainly been a political expedient, but shit, i didn't know there was no news of it in Minnesota.

Go ahead & study up, & get pissed.

I've already lapsed back into apathy on the whole thing.

You go ahead and carry the fight!

It's lonely being a libertarian nowadays. Most people don't even realize what the hell has been going on for the last 40 years.

[MJZiggy]

I have a friend I should put you in touch with...you're not alone.