POLL-ODDS BETTER FOR 6-10 or 10-6 ?

[Zool]

What about wins 7-9? Or is it a boom or bust season?

It's a boom/bust season. They either surprise or underachieve. Most likely they underachieve as too many things need to go right for them to achieve.

Odds are truly stacked against them. I just hope they improve. There were too many games last year where they did not play well as a team. Ppl point to the Pats & Jets, but there were other games as well where they really were not competitive. I will be happy if we just see competitive football even when we lose.

I completely agree with this. Competitive football with limited mistakes is what I want to see from this team.

[woodbuck27]

I think it is more likely that they will be under .500.

However, wishful thinking (with a swig of kool-aid) makes me say that they will be above .500.

I consider you to be a very intelligent young man.

My respect for your sense of reality is no less.

[woodbuck27]

Even assuming they sweep the division and go 6-0, where do the other 4 wins come from???

They'll be underdogs against Philly, NYG, SD, Den, KC, Carolina, Dall, and STL... that's 8 of the remaining 10 games. They'll probably be favored at home against Washington and Oakland.

The odds of them getting to 10 wins are very long.

If we get 9 wins. I'll certainly be overjoyed.

We have to get it on in our division. Win at least 4 of 6. All NFC games will be no nonsense - no excuse must wins.

So hypothetically, lets go for 4 wins there.

Next. .

Philly, NYG, SD, Den, KC, Carolina, Dall, and STL. . .

All very solid teams but we take 2 of 4 fr.:

the Giants (very possible),the Chiefs (on the road makes this one difficult and it's the second of two games on the road in a row), the Panthers (will step up this season, after a solid off season and have always given us fits) and the Rams (that won't be a cake walk but we can take this team).


That gives us 6 wins. . . and in the other two games.

We can defeat the Raiders but the Redskins won't be easy. This Washington team may be a huge surprise this season with alot of the pieces in place.

I'm seeing at this point, 7 or 8 wins maximum. That if all goes really well.

GOD help us. If we suffer adversity in TC and lose a valuable player for an extended period or the season.

We don't have the blessings of a lot of depth. Look at our ST's. The talk was that TT drafted for just that, They are only Rookies and unproven as players that will make any real contribution.

If we lose even one of two particular players during the season. You decide on your two.

Just how bad will that be?

[woodbuck27]

10-6. The division got worse and we are getting better. The Lions are well the lions, the Vikes, well they have TJack at QB, The Bears will have the usual NFC losers slump.

10-6 baby!

Always the optimist.

We could certainly take 5 of 6 in our division.

The Lions have to get there sometime though. Maybe not?

[Bretsky]

What about wins 7-9? Or is it a boom or bust season?

Didn't you read the first post comments ?

Everybody is predicting between 7-9 wins. That's why it's not included; it's the ez pick.

This poll demands a statement as to your confidence in how fast GB is moving past its peers as a football team.

There are of course other factors such as the schedule, but to be honest I'm pretty surprised at the results.

With all the kool aide homerism for the Snapper methodology I would have expected more to argue our strategies our working better and faster than our competitors and we're not far away from 10-6

[BEARMAN]

6 - 10 is being optimistic !

With all the turmoil on the defensive side of the ball, plus the Wrex Grossman factor, I was thinking the same thing ... about the Bears. :P :P :P

What turmoil? Briggs will play, he will not forfit almost 1/2 million a game check ! Tank was good, but Da BEARS have already replaced him, with draft picks, free agency picks and injured players returning to full strength. Our feenon Devon Hester is playing "O" now (look out !) We got the best TE in the draft, giving Rex more targets. Rex will run the shotgun this season giving him more time to burn you deep. Our "D" is a solid as it was last year and our "O" is way better this year ! LOOK OUT cheeseheads, Da BEARS are coming, and they are Hungery !

[Harlan Huckleby]

The only position on the whole team that I see as hopeless is TE. The rest of the offense is wildly unpredictable. We don't know how good the offensive line might be, or the running backs, or the 2->5 wide recievers.

[Zool]

6 - 10 is being optimistic !

With all the turmoil on the defensive side of the ball, plus the Wrex Grossman factor, I was thinking the same thing ... about the Bears. :P :P :P

What turmoil? Briggs will play, he will not forfit almost 1/2 million a game check ! Tank was good, but Da BEARS have already replaced him, with draft picks, free agency picks and injured players returning to full strength. Our feenon Devon Hester is playing "O" now (look out !) We got the best TE in the draft, giving Rex more targets. Rex will run the shotgun this season giving him more time to burn you deep. Our "D" is a solid as it was last year and our "O" is way better this year ! LOOK OUT cheeseheads, Da BEARS are coming, and they are Hungery !

I'm starting to think you do this on purpose, but here goes.

Funny, the Bears don't look Hungarian

[Joemailman]

6 - 10 is being optimistic !

With all the turmoil on the defensive side of the ball, plus the Wrex Grossman factor, I was thinking the same thing ... about the Bears. :P :P :P

What turmoil? Briggs will play, he will not forfit almost 1/2 million a game check ! Tank was good, but Da BEARS have already replaced him, with draft picks, free agency picks and injured players returning to full strength. Our feenon Devon Hester is playing "O" now (look out !) We got the best TE in the draft, giving Rex more targets. Rex will run the shotgun this season giving him more time to burn you deep. Our "D" is a solid as it was last year and our "O" is way better this year ! LOOK OUT cheeseheads, Da BEARS are coming, and they are Hungery !

What's a feenon?

[the_idle_threat]

6 - 10 is being optimistic !

With all the turmoil on the defensive side of the ball, plus the Wrex Grossman factor, I was thinking the same thing ... about the Bears. :P :P :P

What turmoil? Briggs will play, he will not forfit almost 1/2 million a game check ! Tank was good, but Da BEARS have already replaced him, with draft picks, free agency picks and injured players returning to full strength. Our feenon Devon Hester is playing "O" now (look out !) We got the best TE in the draft, giving Rex more targets. Rex will run the shotgun this season giving him more time to burn you deep. Our "D" is a solid as it was last year and our "O" is way better this year ! LOOK OUT cheeseheads, Da BEARS are coming, and they are Hungery !

What's a feenon?

Phenom?

Gotta love phonetic spelling!

[MasonCrosby]

Even assuming they sweep the division and go 6-0, where do the other 4 wins come from???

They'll be underdogs against Philly, NYG, SD, Den, KC, Carolina, Dall, and STL... that's 8 of the remaining 10 games. They'll probably be favored at home against Washington and Oakland.

The odds of them getting to 10 wins are very long.

If we get 9 wins. I'll certainly be overjoyed.

We have to get it on in our division. Win at least 4 of 6. All NFC games will be no nonsense - no excuse must wins.

So hypothetically, lets go for 4 wins there.

Next. .

Philly, NYG, SD, Den, KC, Carolina, Dall, and STL. . .

All very solid teams but we take 2 of 4 fr.:

the Giants (very possible),the Chiefs (on the road makes this one difficult and it's the second of two games on the road in a row), the Panthers (will step up this season, after a solid off season and have always given us fits) and the Rams (that won't be a cake walk but we can take this team).


That gives us 6 wins. . . and in the other two games.

We can defeat the Raiders but the Redskins won't be easy. This Washington team may be a huge surprise this season with alot of the pieces in place.

I'm seeing at this point, 7 or 8 wins maximum. That if all goes really well.

GOD help us. If we suffer adversity in TC and lose a valuable player for an extended period or the season.

We don't have the blessings of a lot of depth. Look at our ST's. The talk was that TT drafted for just that, They are only Rookies and unproven as players that will make any real contribution.

If we lose even one of two particular players during the season. You decide on your two.

Just how bad will that be?

i think in addition they could also beat the eagles, who i really don't see as that much better, after losing garcia and stallworth in free agency and having to put Mcnabb back in as QB

[Bretsky]

When healthy McNabb is still one of the top 7 QB's in the NFL; probably top 6. And Reid is pretty dang good coach; he beat Sherman teams that were far more talented IMO.

[Noodle]

With all the kool aide homerism for the Snapper methodology I would have expected more to argue our strategies our working better and faster than our competitors and we're not far away from 10-6

I find this odd as well. There is near universal acceptance of, and even some love for, the TT way. Yet here we are, almost 3 years in to his reign, and most here think we won't bust 500.

So, is that ok? Or do folks still lay this all on Sherman? Me, I think TT has brought in only 1 true impact player -- Woodson. He's brought in some solid guys, like Hawk, Pickett, and Jennings, but that's not enough. And the proof is in the large number of people here, as optomisitic a bunch as you'll find, who think we won't win more than we'll lose.

[MJZiggy]

The team seems to think they'll win more than they'll lose...

[Joemailman]

With all the kool aide homerism for the Snapper methodology I would have expected more to argue our strategies our working better and faster than our competitors and we're not far away from 10-6

I find this odd as well. There is near universal acceptance of, and even some love for, the TT way. Yet here we are, almost 3 years in to his reign, and most here think we won't bust 500.

So, is that ok? Or do folks still lay this all on Sherman? Me, I think TT has brought in only 1 true impact player -- Woodson. He's brought in some solid guys, like Hawk, Pickett, and Jennings, but that's not enough. And the proof is in the large number of people here, as optomisitic a bunch as you'll find, who think we won't win more than we'll lose.

I guess I'm considered one of the Kool-Aid Drinkers, and I too am surprised by the results of the poll. I think a lot of people have bought into the argument that "The Pack might be better, but because of a tough schedule, their record may not reflect that." I don't buy it. I think if they improve, they'll win more than they'll lose. I also think some have been swayed by the argument that the 4 wins at the end of the season were insignificant because of the level of competition. I think 4 straight wins in the NFL is always impressive, especially for a team as young as the Packers.