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    Ok : this is the calm before the storm of the new season. None of us know for certain what will transpire in training camp or the months beyond - all the dramas, large & small, have yet to be played out. All of our beliefs about the health & prospects of our favorite team, which have often collided violently on this forum, really mean very little at this point - only when the season unfolds will we see what's what.
    Still, I thought it might be interesting to express a few core opinions about the state of the team -now, before things really get underway. It's always a bit difficult to get a real handle on where most posters stand on the overall view when they are only responding to a specific topic.

    1. The Green Bay Packers : the greatest team in sports. What a pleasure : to be a Packer fan, through thick & thin.
    2. Ted Thompson : Some have accused me of being a blind supporter - I wish to plead not guilty. Here's what I think : I believe Thompson inherited a team on the downside. The Packers were not a bad team by any stretch - they were just good enough to be playoff contenders - but never good enough to really have legitimate Super Bowl aspirations. For several years management's approach had been to patch and repatch increasing holes.
    He -to his credit - took the tougher road, inviting fan's howls, and began rebuilding the team from the foundation up. The process is not yet complete, but I think the team is unmistakeably headed in the right direction.
    Have I liked all his moves? No. Do I think -overall - his moves are sound. Yes.
    3. Mike McCarthy : Way too early to accurately judge him as a coach. Now, he's gotten his feet wet; this season will reveal a lot. Early impressions - I like his approach. I think the Packers are now a tougher group than they were in the past, and I think that can be linked directly to the head coach.
    4. Staff : Boy, I just don't know! Who can tell how Joe Philben will do? I'm still a bit wary of Sanders, and I don't see how Shottenheimer kept his job. On the plus side, I like Moss and Campen, and think the addition of Fontenot could be a big plus.
    5. Brett Favre : I like Favre, I admire Favre, and I think his durability record is one of the most remarkable in sports. That being said, I think way too much attention is placed on him - often at the expense of the team. The whole 'we have to win for Brett' clamor is in the long run detrimental to the overall wellbeing of the Packers. If #4 is a member of a sound Packers team - great. If he sets all the records in the world with a patched-together team that never really goes anywhere, I'm not at all interested.
    6. Mike Sherman : I thought Sherman had many good qualities, but besides his dismal record as a GM, several deficiencies doomed him. One was obvious : he seemed to consistently get outcoached in big games. For me, there were other, more subtle, troubling signs : his teams never seemed to be fired up (the Packers sideline always looked embarrassingly listless), his stubborn reliance on mediocre Tom Rossley and a comment made by a departing coach, who indicated Mike's micromanaging style had gotten to the point where "meetings were being called solely to plan other meetings".
    During Sherman's last season, he reminded me strongly of Captain Queeg, minus the steel ball bearings.
    7. The Roster : I like it. Young players with what appears to be plenty of upside. Are there holes? Surely - every team has them. But the young additions to that offensive line, the addition of a cornerstone defender like Hawk , a receiver with moxie like Jennings, etc, etc. are all positive signs.
    8. The Season Ahead : I think this will be a great year. Are we there yet? No. But what a blast to watch the young team continue to develop. Instead of praying an aging Packer team can hold things together for one more year, it will be great to watch a team growing towards championship-level caliber.
    Who Knows? The Shadow knows!

  • #2
    Great post Shadow, and stated in a way in which nearly everybody (pro TT and anti TT) will, I think, agree with.

    I too have concerns about Sanders and Schottenheimer; Sanders looked like he was a lame duck before we began our stint against three horrid offenses.
    But we also switched Jenkins to DE at that point too so it will be interesting to see if Sanders again looks over his head at times.
    TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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    • #3
      Shadow,

      I think you make many strong and insightful points.

      IMO, you were not critical enough of Mike Sherman. Personally, I have nothing against Sherman. Character and integrity wise, I believe he is a good man.

      That said, as a head coach, Sherman was over his head. As a GM, he was abysmal, particularly in his draft selection abilitiies. About the only GM in the NFL who was as incompetant as Sherman is Matt Millan of the Lions.

      Because Sherman had both the HC and GM titles, the Packers took a significant spiral downwards. Tompson and McCarthy still need a full season, perhaps two more seasons, to undo all the many mistakes Sherman made.

      Again, I bear no personal malice against Sherman. He was just the wrong man for both positions. He best functions as an assistant coach.

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      • #4
        Re: Just a Few Opinions

        Originally posted by The Shadow
        rebuilding the team from the foundation up. The process is not yet complete
        He's been a GM for 3 years. Three mulligans is max in era of free agency. I don't know the stats, but I would guess that a typical NFL team turns-over half their roster every 4 years (just a guess). EVERY team is cosntantly rebuilding, to a great extent.

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        • #5
          Re: Just a Few Opinions

          Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
          Originally posted by The Shadow
          rebuilding the team from the foundation up. The process is not yet complete
          He's been a GM for 3 years.

          Thompson got hired in Jan of 05. He won't have 3 years in until after this season is over.

          But I see what you're saying. He doesn't have forever, and is reaching a point where expectations need to get ratcheted up.

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          • #6
            I was counting dog years.

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            • #7
              Re: Just a Few Opinions

              Originally posted by Scott Campbell
              Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
              Originally posted by The Shadow
              rebuilding the team from the foundation up. The process is not yet complete
              He's been a GM for 3 years.

              Thompson got hired in Jan of 05. He won't have 3 years in until after this season is over.

              But I see what you're saying. He doesn't have forever, and is reaching a point where expectations need to get ratcheted up.

              On other hand he has had three free agent periods as well as three drafts to stock youth on this roster
              TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
                I was counting dog years.
                For Michael Vick?
                "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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                • #9
                  Zig, who is that in your avatar?

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                  • #10
                    Henry Garza from LLB. I took that last night.
                    "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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                    • #11
                      3

                      Season 3 will tell us all we need to know about where we're headed. I expect no blow outs this season and a much better effort at Lambeau. I expect an appropriate amount of improvement in the young guys Thompson has brought in. All any fan can ask for is a team that competes hard every down.


                      For some reason I have a very strong gut feeling about our defense. I expect a shut-down in your face unit. But as great as I feel about the D, I feel just the opposite about this offense.

                      In any event, it's almost time to start finding out the answers........

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by MJZiggy
                        Henry Garza from LLB. I took that last night.
                        Engaging in a little fantasizing, MJ?

                        We male posters hardly ever fantasize about members of the opposite sex!

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                        • #13
                          Re: Just a Few Opinions

                          Originally posted by Bretsky
                          On other hand he has had three free agent periods..........

                          Only if you count the first year when Sherman had already spent all Ted's money. I can't hold that against Ted.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by oregonpackfan
                            Originally posted by MJZiggy
                            Henry Garza from LLB. I took that last night.
                            Engaging in a little fantasizing, MJ?

                            We male posters hardly ever fantasize about members of the opposite sex!
                            I used his face, and he's fully clothed...somehow I detect a minor difference in fantasies there...Do note that he's looking right at me when I took the shot...
                            "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by MJZiggy
                              Do note that he's looking right at me when I took the shot...

                              Somebody sounds a little smitten.

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