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[RashanGary]

6 mos from now I'm gonna be saying "I told you so" and everyone is going to say "You just got completely lucky guessing. Who would have thought that Jennings would be a 1,000 reciever, Morency/Jackson would have a good season and our TE's would return to the TD catching unit of old. Who would have guessed all of that in their right mind"

Our skill guys *Favre, Jennings, Driver, Morency, Jackson, Bubba* can all get it done. It's not their fault when they can't run routes allowing DB's to focus on just two route runners. It's not their fault that the line is getting pounded and no yards are there to be gained. It's the fault of the Oline. My only real prediction is that the offensive line littered with young, motivated players takes a big step. The odds of Colledge, Wells and Spitz just staying the same after a year of NFL conditioning and a year to learn the scheme is slim to none. I'm not making a bold prediction, I'm looking at cause and effect. The cause is the line getting better, the effect is the whole offense producing the way they are capable.

[RashanGary]

Agree with the above statement but having guys who give your offense the matchups that are favorable are also key. Big, thick, tall WR's are obviously great redzone targets and TE's can be great examples of that. A QB with some mobility that will make the D commit is also a nice luxury to have.

Much, much less important compared to the QB and the online. I'd put the RB before the WR's and TE's.

IMO

[Bretsky]

I think we have a really good starting two as far as WR's go and we have normal competition for the #3-#5 slots.

I think the offensive lines ability to pass block and run block is going ot make or break the offense.

We have good WR's, a really good QB (most important) and two RB's who have been good whenever they've been given the chance. If the online does it's job, the offense can be a top 10 offense which is more than enough considering the strength of their defense.


I think the Packers are very underrated heading into this season adn it will be fun to watch them prove the doubters wrong.

I think we have two solid starting caliber receivers and a bunch of #4-#5 guys. If or when one of the two solid staters get hurt we're screwed IMO

It's interesting to see all of these outside reports and scout comments. They hold an unbiased view of things and their view of our offense is not favorable.

[Bretsky]

Top 10 offense = crazy?

Depends upon how you measure the offense. According to nfl.com, the Packers were 9th in "total offense" last season, measured in terms of yards per game.

The red zone is what gave them problems. They were 23rd in scoring offense.

Yards will be there for teams often behind and going against squads playing the Zone Prevent Defense.

[Bretsky]

6 mos from now I'm gonna be saying "I told you so" and everyone is going to say "You just got completely lucky guessing. Who would have thought that Jennings would be a 1,000 reciever, Morency/Jackson would have a good season and our TE's would return to the TD catching unit of old. Who would have guessed all of that in their right mind"

Our skill guys *Favre, Jennings, Driver, Morency, Jackson, Bubba* can all get it done. It's not their fault when they can't run routes allowing DB's to focus on just two route runners. It's not their fault that the line is getting pounded and no yards are there to be gained. It's the fault of the Oline. My only real prediction is that the offensive line littered with young, motivated players takes a big step. The odds of Colledge, Wells and Spitz just staying the same after a year of NFL conditioning and a year to learn the scheme is slim to none. I'm not making a bold prediction, I'm looking at cause and effect. The cause is the line getting better, the effect is the whole offense producing the way they are capable.

Nine wins for this season to be considered a success under the Turlteite Regime and a Top 10 Scoring offense.

Those are the two stats I'll remember you by.

[wist43]

6 mos from now I'm gonna be saying "I told you so" and everyone is going to say "You just got completely lucky guessing. Who would have thought that Jennings would be a 1,000 reciever, Morency/Jackson would have a good season and our TE's would return to the TD catching unit of old. Who would have guessed all of that in their right mind"

Our skill guys *Favre, Jennings, Driver, Morency, Jackson, Bubba* can all get it done. It's not their fault when they can't run routes allowing DB's to focus on just two route runners. It's not their fault that the line is getting pounded and no yards are there to be gained. It's the fault of the Oline. My only real prediction is that the offensive line littered with young, motivated players takes a big step. The odds of Colledge, Wells and Spitz just staying the same after a year of NFL conditioning and a year to learn the scheme is slim to none. I'm not making a bold prediction, I'm looking at cause and effect. The cause is the line getting better, the effect is the whole offense producing the way they are capable.

The only way I can see this offense being very productive, both in terms of yds and pts, is if most of the "if's" come together. I think that's asking a lot.

The best bet to provide a vertical threat up the field might be Lee. He's got the athleticism and speed, but his hands are shaky. If he can get it together, that would go a long way toward opening everything else up... that's another one of those pretty big ifs though.

[RashanGary]

Listen up mother fuckers, this team is going to do fine. Now quit your damn chicken little, alarmist whinitudes and watch some Brewer games. When the season opens we're going to be an aggressive, tough, playoff competive team. Now get the hell out of here and quit being such a bunch of pussy's.

Thank you for your time, you are my bosses but it doesn't mean I listen to you, EVER, and believe me, it's for the good of team.

[b bulldog]

Football is a game of matchups, definitely in the redzone. Our guys will not scare anyone matchup wise except for DD. The TE position will be weak but the rb position will be better than most think and the line will be top half of the league at worst. Our O does lack the players that can dictate to the D what will happen.

[RashanGary]

Our O does lack the players that can dictate to the D what will happen.

I agree with this. When I say top 10, I mean 10th or in that area. I think they can have an upper average offense with a very good defense (Top 5ish). I think they have wildcard talent, maybe the division if the Bears take a dive like I think they might.

[Bretsky]

Listen up mother fuckers, this team is going to do fine. Now quit your damn chicken little, alarmist whinitudes and watch some Brewer games. When the season opens we're going to be an aggressive, tough, playoff competive team. Now get the hell out of here and quit being such a bunch of pussy's.

Thank you for your time, you are my bosses but it doesn't mean I listen to you, EVER, and believe me, it's for the good of team.

Thanks for the immediate help Ted; just remember the season is a failure if your record does not improve because you chose to hibernate during periods when other teams were at least trying to upgrade their personnel to become contenders.

Rumor has it if the Brewers don't make it we can at least wait for the Bucks to contend in their crappy conference . Keep on turtling on. Take your sweet time in the name of the good of the team.

Sincerely,
Whinitudee

[the_idle_threat]

Listen up mother fuckers, this team is going to do fine. Now quit your damn chicken little, alarmist whinitudes and watch some Brewer games. When the season opens we're going to be an aggressive, tough, playoff competive team. Now get the hell out of here and quit being such a bunch of pussy's.

Thank you for your time, you are my bosses but it doesn't mean I listen to you, EVER, and believe me, it's for the good of team.

***Nominated for post of the week!

[HarveyWallbangers]

With Favre, the Packers won't have too much difficulty moving between the 20s. The problem is the red zone. We have no size or length at the receiver positions to be a threat around the endzone.

I'm sure we will eat up a lot of yardage yet again...and again have few points to show for it.

It's going to come down to the OL in the redzone getting a push (possible) and the TEs playing better (unlikely). RBs usually get what's available. I think our WRs aren't quite as inept in the redzone as some make them out to be. Not being able to run and not getting much from our TEs is what killed us in the redzone.

Driver has a knack for making plays anywhere. Jennings seems to have the same qualities. You don't have to be tall to be a redzone target. See Sterling Sharpe. James Jones had 10 TDs in college last year, so maybe he eventually develops into that guy.

Sure, Owens and Moss are tall, but Chad Johnson is 6'1. Marvin Harrison is 6'. Reggie Wayne is 6'. Lee Evans is 5'10". Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce are 6'. Steve Smith is 5'9". Lav Coles is 5'11". Hines Ward is 6'. Darrell Jackson is 5'11". A lot of the best receivers in the league are similar in size to our guys. It's not like we have 6 Antonio Chatmans. Driver is 6'. Jennings is 5'11". Ruvell Martin is 6'4". Robert Ferguson is 6'1". David Clowney is 6'1". James Jones is 6'1".

[Scott Campbell]

Nice.

[MJZiggy]

With Favre, the Packers won't have too much difficulty moving between the 20s. The problem is the red zone. We have no size or length at the receiver positions to be a threat around the endzone.

I'm sure we will eat up a lot of yardage yet again...and again have few points to show for it.

It's going to come down to the OL in the redzone getting a push (possible) and the TEs playing better (unlikely). RBs usually get what's available. I think our WRs aren't quite as inept in the redzone as some make them out to be. Not being able to run and not getting much from our TEs is what killed us in the redzone.

Driver has a knack for making plays anywhere. Jennings seems to have the same qualities. You don't have to be tall to be a redzone target. See Sterling Sharpe. James Jones had 10 TDs in college last year, so maybe he eventually develops into that guy.

Sure, Owens and Moss are tall, but Chad Johnson is 6'1. Marvin Harrison is 6'. Reggie Wayne is 6'. Lee Evans is 5'10". Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce are 6'. Steve Smith is 5'9". Lav Coles is 5'11". Hines Ward is 6'. Darrell Jackson is 5'11". A lot of the best receivers in the league are similar in size to our guys. It's not like we have 6 Antonio Chatmans. Driver is 6'. Jennings is 5'11". Ruvell Martin is 6'4". Robert Ferguson is 6'1". David Clowney is 6'1". James Jones is 6'1".

Can I nominate this for predictive post of the offseason?

[b bulldog]

I so underestimated the importance of Greg jennings at the start of the season.