Kevin Berry Signs With Shermy (Texans)

[Bretsky]

LMAO. . . . .


Bretsky, it's just great that as the season progresses and evidence starts to present itself you backtrack more and more.

The irony of the Flanagan signing is that he is exactly the type of other teams garbage that you can expect to get for a reasonable price. You know Flanagan is garbage and you don't know that Hamlin or the TE Johnson or the FB Griffin is garbage. You're whole arguement is build in ignorance and wishfull thinking of teams being able to just open their wallets and get better. If it was as simple as just opening your wallet don't you think everyone would do it? There is no need for me to skew anything when the facts and the NFL season will do may work for me.

My argument would require a GM to be able to pick out what is garbage and what is not from free agency and using the draft and free agency to improve.

Yes, I agree. Bring on the season MJ.

Top 10 rushing offense
9-7 to measure improvement


Time will tell if you are right on or just dribbling with enthusiasm.

[RashanGary]

I know, Ziggy, it's probably not fair for us to jab at Bretsky like this. If there was a vote for best person on this damn forum, Bresky would probably show up in the top five and I'd be in the bottom two.

If everyone could just open their magic NFL pocket book and with a nose twitch and a broom stic, get better, it wouldn't even be a fun league to follow. It would be baseball and even there, the team that spends more than anyone else by double and tripple still had down years. Bold spending just isn't the way to become great. Smart spending is. but these good hearted fans just want to beleive it's fixable with the drop of a hat or an opening of a pocket book and get frustrated with losing. It's hard on all of us, but Bretsky, Woodbuck and RG have all taken their jabs. I'm sure they can handle getting them back.

[Bretsky]

I know, Ziggy, it's probably not fair for us to jab at Bretsky like this. If there was a vote for best person on this damn forum, Bresky would probably show up in the top five and I'd be in the bottom two.

If everyone could just open their magic NFL pocket book and with a nose twitch and a broom stic, get better, it wouldn't even be a fun league to follow. It would be baseball and even there, the team that spends more than anyone else by double and tripple still had down years. Bold spending just isn't the way to become great. Smart spending is. but these good hearted fans just want to beleive it's fixable with the drop of a hat or an opening of a pocket book and get frustrated with losing. It's hard on all of us, but Bretsky, Woodbuck and RG have all taken their jabs. I'm sure they can handle getting them back.

I have a very hard jaw and can handle this just as well as I can dish it.

I'd hope others would feel the exact same as none of this is ever personal for me. For what it's worth even though we've socked each other some in the past, Justin and I have actually PM'd regarding this a few times about how this is never personal. We all want Green Bay to win and we're all hoping they do.

Nothing is ever personal on my end and I hope it isn't for anybody else either........no matter how right or wrong we thing each other is

[Scott Campbell]

If those guys end up being right, and they could be for all I know, I still think there can't be much pleasure in saying "see, I told you we were going to suck".

[Scott Campbell]

Nothing is ever personal on my end and I hope it isn't for anybody else either........

Of course it's not personal, you ignorant slut.

[Rastak]

I know, Ziggy, it's probably not fair for us to jab at Bretsky like this. If there was a vote for best person on this damn forum, Bresky would probably show up in the top five and I'd be in the bottom two.

If everyone could just open their magic NFL pocket book and with a nose twitch and a broom stic, get better, it wouldn't even be a fun league to follow. It would be baseball and even there, the team that spends more than anyone else by double and tripple still had down years. Bold spending just isn't the way to become great. Smart spending is. but these good hearted fans just want to beleive it's fixable with the drop of a hat or an opening of a pocket book and get frustrated with losing. It's hard on all of us, but Bretsky, Woodbuck and RG have all taken their jabs. I'm sure they can handle getting them back.

So were you real upset then when they signed Woodson and Pickett? Those were pretty good signings in hindsight. I will agree the class was weak though but I think he (TT) could have found a couple guys to improve the team....Bretsky's listed them before, I won't rehash it.

[RashanGary]

I believe what you are referring to is called hindsight, Bretsky. As much as I support Thompsons approach and methodology, I certainly don't consider him the football equivilant of the fairy taled golden goose. The problem with your bold FA position is that it is no more likely to get a healthy productive FA than it is to draft a healthy, productive rookie. The only real difference is that when you miss like with Flanagan, Rivera, Joe Johnson, et. al., you get strapped with a franchise slowing salary and you are become unable to afford your own good talent like what happened to us 3 years ago. Ted Thompson likes to reffer to Unrestriced Free Agency as "dangerous waters". I know you understand reward, hell a monkey understands reward, but I'm affraid that you have no concept of risk and how the risk/reward balance relates to success. I'm sorry Bretsky, I honestly beleive that your belief is very shallow and based in hindsight and wishfull thinking more than it is in the uncertain reality of NFL personal decisons. With uncertainty comes the increased importance for balancing th risk. If you can just accept that NFL personal decisions are uncertain, I think you'll get it but damn, you seem to think teams can hit every time.


Rastak, I know TT has a pretty good record of getting good reward for his money but don't you think that his approach has something do do with that?

[PackerBlues]

They spent pretty big money On Flanagan and Green and now a lesser amount on Barry.

These guys are all Packer hand-me-downs........ Green proved that he still has legs under him, so he was worth the risk. As far as Flanagan and Barry go, who cares.

We haven't spent big money on anyone in the run game. They certainly pursued FA much more BOLDLY and aggresively than we did.

Well, thats just about the most Genius of statements I have read in these forums. Fact is, we have not spent big money on anyone at all. EVERYONE pursued Free Agents more BOLDLY and aggresively than we did.

By your very own admission, aggressively pursuing FA will cure a teams problems so their running game should be exactly like the one you dream of here in GB, right?

Maybe I am wrong here, but considering as how Ahman Green still seems to have the ability to play, I am sure that a lot of Packer fans out there, would feel a lot better about our running game if we still had Green, as opposed to what we have now. Nobody is saying he was worth the money he got from the Texans.

I get a real kick out of how everything is either black or white to you. We all see Thompsons approach to Free Agency, some like it, some dont. Some of us feel there should be some middle ground. Arrrrrg!

[Packnut]

Losers

I believe what you are referring to is called hindsight, Bretsky. As much as I support Thompsons approach and methodology, I certainly don't consider him the football equivilant of the fairy taled golden goose. The problem with your bold FA position is that it is no more likely to get a healthy productive FA than it is to draft a healthy, productive rookie. The only real difference is that when you miss like with Flanagan, Rivera, Joe Johnson, et. al., you get strapped with a franchise slowing salary and you are become unable to afford your own good talent like what happened to us 3 years ago. Ted Thompson likes to reffer to Unrestriced Free Agency as "dangerous waters". I know you understand reward, hell a monkey understands reward, but I'm affraid that you have no concept of risk and how it relates to success. I'm sorry Bretsky, I honestly beleive that your belief is very shallow and based in wishfull thinking more than it is in reality.

Yep, that Woodson was a terrible signing was'nt it? So was Pickett. In fact hell, according to you EVERY FA is a bad signing. You have the "coward's" attitude. Don't try it cause you might be wrong. It's better to play it safe and not take a risk in order to better your team right? Don't you get it? Teddy play's it safe cause he's afarid of getting burned like he did on Manuel. If you don't play the game, you don't lose do ya?

I prefer a GM who has enough faith in his evaluating skills and a set of balls and jumps on the chance when it presents itself. Your slow safe way is for guy's who are afraid. The Pat's mgmt. record speaks for itself. They have PROVEN their ability beyond a shadow of a doubt. They went crazy in FA. So they are wrong because you say so? Anyone with half a freakin brain can see SF has bettered themselves.

Free agency can help a team IF you do your work and get the right player. It's a tool, nothing more nothing less. JUST BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE IT'S SOME KIND OF EVIL, DOES'NT MAKE IT SO.

There have been some very good FA signings. Where would the Saints be without Brees? That 1 signing blows your whole FA theory to shit. Thompson under-estimated the market this year and then sat in shock while the good FA's were all sucked up. He decided guys were getting more than they are worth so he decided not to play. Hell 99.9% of ALL sports players get paid more than what they are worth and that's not the barometer you use.

The only point is can player a make us a better team and not put us in cap hell? Man, I can't wait to see your answer when we get ZERO production from our TE's. Better start thinging about what excuses your going to use.


ALL HAIL BRETSKY!

[RashanGary]

JustinHarrell "They spent pretty big money On Flanagan and Green and now a lesser amount on Barry."

PackerBlues These guys are all Packer hand-me-downs........ Green proved that he still has legs under him, so he was worth the risk. As far as Flanagan and Barry go, who cares.

My response to this is that Flanagan was a middle price FA, similar to the signing of Pickett. Our guy panned out, Houstons didn't. Maybe Houston is too loose with FA's? Nah, they are just retards and don't deserve jobs and our guy is supposed to be the fairy taled golden goose who takes big shots every year and never misses.





JustinHarrell "We haven't spent big money on anyone in the run game. They certainly pursued FA much more BOLDLY and aggresively than we did."

PackerBlues "Well, thats just about the most Genius of statements I have read in these forums. Fact is, we have not spent big money on anyone at all. EVERYONE pursued Free Agents more BOLDLY and aggresively than we did.

My response is that they did spend more boldly on the FA market than we did so my statement was true and if you understood the conversations Bretsky and I have had in the past, you would understand the relevance of my accurate but obvious statement. It's an insider conversatin thing so I don't take any offense to your sarcasm.




JustinHarell "By your very own admission, aggressively pursuing FA will cure a teams problems so their running game should be exactly like the one you dream of here in GB, right?"

PackerBlues"Maybe I am wrong here, but considering as how Ahman Green still seems to have the ability to play, I am sure that a lot of Packer fans out there, would feel a lot better about our running game if we still had Green, as opposed to what we have now. Nobody is saying he was worth the money he got from the Texans."

My response is that the Texans spent money and it's probably not going to do much for them in the win column. That is exactly what you, Bretsky and about two or three others propose that we do except you guys expect Thompson to be the Golden Goose of football and you have no concept of how uncertain even the most certain things seem in the NFL.



PackerBlues "I get a real kick out of how everything is either black or white to you. We all see Thompsons approach to Free Agency, some like it, some dont. Some of us feel there should be some middle ground. Arrrrrg!

"

There is a right and wrong on this. Everone wants some happy middle ground on every issue. It's not always the case. This isn't your sophmore lit class. We're not debating the meaning of a Shakespear. We're talking about strategy and how to take advantage of a market. There is more than one way to skin a cat, but you guys are sitting around sticking your finger in the cats butt instead of cutting it's skin off. Start to talk about another method and base it in reality instead of a thought that more closely resembles a fairly tale and we can have a conversation.

[RashanGary]

Re: Losers

Yep, that Woodson was a terrible signing was'nt it? So was Pickett. In fact hell, according to you EVERY FA is a bad signing. You have the "coward's" attitude. Don't try it cause you might be wrong. It's better to play it safe and not take a risk in order to better your team right? Don't you get it? Teddy play's it safe cause he's afarid of getting burned like he did on Manuel. If you don't play the game, you don't lose do ya?
I agree that Thompson has done a good job when he has taken his chances and I think he's right more often than not becuase he takes chances when the risk outweighs the reward unlike the Texans for example

I prefer a GM who has enough faith in his evaluating skills and a set of balls and jumps on the chance when it presents itself. Your slow safe way is for guy's who are afraid. The Pat's mgmt. record speaks for itself. They have PROVEN their ability beyond a shadow of a doubt. They went crazy in FA. So they are wrong because you say so? Anyone with half a freakin brain can see SF has bettered themselves.
I prefer a GM who makes the right choices and the most isn't always the best as the Washington Redskins can attest

Free agency can help a team IF you do your work and get the right player. It's a tool, nothing more nothing less. JUST BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE IT'S SOME KIND OF EVIL, DOES'NT MAKE IT SO.
No, but history will show how wrong you are and I'll be here to stick your nose it it

There have been some very good FA signings. Where would the Saints be without Brees? That 1 signing blows your whole FA theory to shit. Thompson under-estimated the market this year and then sat in shock while the good FA's were all sucked up. He decided guys were getting more than they are worth so he decided not to play. Hell 99.9% of ALL sports players get paid more than what they are worth and that's not the barometer you use.
One example doesn't blow anything out of the water. If you think that, I'm really wasting my time on this conversation which I pretty much know I am anyway so after this post I'll be done. You are stupid in relation to me. I'm not a genius but compared to you I am

The only point is can player a make us a better team and not put us in cap hell? Man, I can't wait to see your answer when we get ZERO production from our TE's. Better start thinging about what excuses your going to use.
This is similar to my above response but if you think the production of our TE's is the tell all for Thompsons success than I am wasting my time talking to you. I am starting to realize that and this will be my last response unless someone has some reality based discussion to continue with


ALL HAIL BRETSKY![/quote]
spoken while fingering the cats butt

[Scott Campbell]

There is more than one way to skin a cat, but you guys are sitting around sticking your finger in the cats butt instead of cutting it's skin off.

LOL

I love ya dude, but that has to be the WORST analogy that I've ever read.

But I'll be Mike Vick liked it.

[retailguy]

Re: Losers

=I am starting to realize that and this will be my last response unless someone has some reality based discussion to continue with.

Another priceless comment. It's July. Who has "REALITY"? No one has even put a pad on yet... Come off the moral high ground. You're way out of your league.

Please stop posting. PLEASE. There is too much material to remind you of already...

Justin, there is more than one way to build a football team. Ted's way, even if it works, is NOT the only way. Not by a long shot. If Ted came out and announced that he was rebuilding and not really trying to win while Brett was the QB, you'd be pulling him out of the Fox River after the shooting/lynching.

He's doing what he feels he's gotta do, but the moron is LYING HIS ASS off every day. He's not signing free agents because he doesn't think they'll get us over the top this season. In that case, it IS THE CORRECT DECISION. I truly believe this. The alternative, is, (if this team is NOT competitive) is that he doesn't have a clue. That scares the CRAP out of me.


This team is a couple years away, most likely, barring a "miracle in a bottle".

We'll see if we get one. But remember "We'll win SOME games."

[CaliforniaCheez]

The Texans signing Kevin Barry is bad news for Brad Bedell.
He will also know Centers Mike Flanagan and Chris White at O line meetings.
He could line up next to TE Ben Steele who does not substitute at fullback with Vonta Leach as the Packers had TE's doing last year.

Ahman Green is familiar with all that blocking.

[RashanGary]

Re: Losers

But remember "We'll win SOME games."

Spoken like a GM who understands the uncertainty in the NFL. This is acctually a testament to the good hands that our team is in but you are unable to see that so I'm laughing at you, not offended by you. There, and I didn't even need a compensation wink to exaggerate my point.