Q&A w/TT---McGinn kicks him in the balls over & over

[PackerBlues]

Is it really that "stupid" to take a wait-and-see attitude and see what develops in camp, considering it's only what---day 3?

Has it never happened before that young players have stepped up when given an opportunity (Answer: IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME IN THIS LEAGUE).

Maybe it's far more "stupid" to be BAM-ing about an outcome that hasn't happened yet and may not ever happen.

If the young guys fail to develop as expected, and we have more results like the 1st half of last year's Jets game, I'll be BAM-ing right along with you, and I'll actually have a reason to do it.

Until then, I can't agree with you that it's "stupid" to relax and see what happens.

Is it really Bitching and Moaning to question Thompson when he himself admits that he screwed up when he dismantled our O-line in 2005 without a plan in place to have it "shored up" before the start of the season? Whenever we discussed it on these boards, the "Thompson Faithful" always said that Ted never had a choice, and that Ted knows best, that it had to happen the way that it did. BS!!! To listen to you talk, everytime it was ever brought up, it was just "BAM". Now Ted admits that it was a mistake, and now what do you have to say? BAM?

I could follow that by talking about Randy Moss, and the other RB's and WR's that could have been had in Free Agency that were mentioned in the article, but I suppose, since Ted didnt answer those questions, we should just accept his silence and not "BAM", LOL.

It was not that long ago, that a Packer Fan MIGHT expect the 1'st round pick to be a starter on opening day, IF he showed something in training camp and the pre-season. If the 2'nd round pick also got time as a starter in the regular season, that was thought of as a bonus. Any other Pick that showed enough promise to be a starter was a "rare gift". But now, we get your cute little word "BAM", because some of us still think in those regards. Some of us find it hard to believe that there is much chance of getting a LEGITAMATE starter after the 1'st round. We are not suggesting that its inconceivable, just that its not very likely. Again, we are left with throwing a bunch of rookies on the field, and waiting to see which one "steps up". I would say that every one of us has the right to "Bam" over that strategy. As a matter of fact, anyone who does not question it, in my opinion, is "SOS"!!!

[cheesner]

Is it really Bitching and Moaning to question Thompson when he himself admits that he screwed up when he dismantled our O-line in 2005 without a plan in place to have it "shored up" before the start of the season?

YES! That is the definition of bitching and moaning! He admitted it was a mistake. Get over it an move on.

[PackerBlues]

If it were simply the O-line in 2005 that Ted had screwed up, I doubt that anyone here would have a problem with trying to "get over it and move on", now that he has admitted his mistake.

Ahman Green said time and time again, that he wanted to stay in GB. Ted just couldnt figure out a way to make that happen. It would be easy to "move on and get over it", if Thompson would tell us why he couldnt make it happen. How about why he didn't then go after Travis Henry, Michael Turner, Willis McGahee, or Jamal Lewis? Was he just "going through the motions" with Green? Because it looks to me, like we are left to believe that, that is exactly what Thompson was doing, "just going through the motions". How else do you explain ending up with "RB by committee"?

Considering all the cap room Ted managed to get for us, signing Randy Moss should not have been a problem. Hell, Favre was willing to re-structure his contract to help sign Moss. Yet Ted couldnt get the deal done. He admitted that they thought that they had a deal in place. Was that just BS, or did he actually try to sign Moss? Either way, it does not make Thompson look very trustworthy. Eiither he was flat out lying about it, or, he does not have the ability to make deals. Walker, Green, Moss........Bubba?

Idle Threat is saying its only day 3 of training camp and we should just "wait and see". In the meantime, Cheesner tells me to "remove my head from my ass" at the same time that he has wood, because there is a story out about James Jones, describing him as a potential star.

[Zool]

Cute, Bam! Bitching and Moaning huh?

I have another cute one for you..... SOS! For all of you that still continue to blindly follow Thompson on pure faith with out asking questions. SOS! "Stuck On Stupid"

I hardly say that I'm following blindly, but I dont let it affect my life. Its entertainment, and perspective is very important.

[swede]

Randy Moss?!!???

Packerblues, please, describe in detail the wonderful effect that Randy Moss would have had on our team and our lockerroom. Nothing good is on the comedy channel so reading your stuff is a pretty funny substitute.

(You'll get extra credit for finding a way to use the terms "hard-working" and "veteran leadership" in your response.)

[PackerBlues]

Randy Moss?!!???

Packerblues, please, describe in detail the wonderful effect that Randy Moss would have had on our team and our lockerroom. Nothing good is on the comedy channel so reading your stuff is a pretty funny substitute.

(You'll get extra credit for finding a way to use the terms "hard-working" and "veteran leadership" in your response.)

Time and again, guys like you preach taking a "wait and see" approach. Then you throw out your predictions about how you feel that certain rookies will step up. To top it off, many of you Predict that Randy Moss MIGHT have been way to much of a disrupting presence in our locker room.

Taking your approach, I would GUESS that Moss would have provided an extra VETERAN WR, making injury less of a gamble.

A known deep threat?
A player that is famous for going after and getting the long ball?
A guy who can stretch the field?.

Help at scoring in the red Zone?
Anyone here not think we could use all the help we can get to score in the red zone after last year?


Is all the good that Moss MIGHT have provided to our team, worth the risk of not even trying, simply because he MIGHT have been a disruption in our locker room?

That by the way, is a legitamate question, not Bitching and Moaning. Hope that was entertaining and funny enough for you.

(Personally, I am going to find it funny while watching the games. When Aikman, Young, or Bradshaw ect. ect.ect. start asking all the questions that you guys refer to as "BAM". Then instead of talking about Shermans "Deer in the headlights look", we can all talk about Thompsons "Deer in the headlights look", as he continues to "not discuss players on other teams", and "spends time on his knees". Now that would be entertaining.)

[PackerBlues]

Cute, Bam! Bitching and Moaning huh?

I have another cute one for you..... SOS! For all of you that still continue to blindly follow Thompson on pure faith with out asking questions. SOS! "Stuck On Stupid"

I hardly say that I'm following blindly, but I dont let it affect my life. Its entertainment, and perspective is very important.

An excellent point, and one that should be taken into consideration.


However, this is a Packer's Forum where people get together to discuss the Packers. Whenever there is more than one side to an issue, you will always have reason to debate. When people debate something, it will sometimes become heated. Thats why I am not bothered by Scott Cambell calling me a "pussy" in an earlier thread, nor am I bothered by Cheesner telling me to remove my head from my ass. Sometimes, when someone cannot intelligently debate their point, rather than concede the point, they lower themselves to name calling or personal attacks. Its nothing new. Neither is the point of view of people who say "just wait and see." Again, this is a forum that is open to discuss issues regarding the Packers. If your response is "just wait and see", your not debating at all, nor are you adding anything to the discussion. Yet you label people who do want to discuss an issue that you dont "BAM". If you do not want to discuss it, why say anything at all?

[Zool]

Cute, Bam! Bitching and Moaning huh?

I have another cute one for you..... SOS! For all of you that still continue to blindly follow Thompson on pure faith with out asking questions. SOS! "Stuck On Stupid"

I hardly say that I'm following blindly, but I dont let it affect my life. Its entertainment, and perspective is very important.

An excellent point, and one that should be taken into consideration.


However, this is a Packer's Forum where people get together to discuss the Packers. Whenever there is more than one side to an issue, you will always have reason to debate. When people debate something, it will sometimes become heated. Thats why I am not bothered by Scott Cambell calling me a "pussy" in an earlier thread, nor am I bothered by Cheesner telling me to remove my head from my ass. Sometimes, when someone cannot intelligently debate their point, rather than concede the point, they lower themselves to name calling or personal attacks. Its nothing new. Neither is the point of view of people who say "just wait and see." Again, this is a forum that is open to discuss issues regarding the Packers. If your response is "just wait and see", your not debating at all, nor are you adding anything to the discussion. Yet you label people who do want to discuss an issue that you dont "BAM". If you do not want to discuss it, why say anything at all?

Firstly, never once have i used this new LAME ASS, sorry excuse for an acronym.

Secondly, you say people can not argue intelligently then you pop off with your SOS, calling all who disagree with you stupid.

Thirdly, as you stated this is a forum for discussion. My points and opinions are equally as valuable as yours.

Dont you think there are people that come here to read football information? This is the easiest way to view Packer articles as they are all here from tons of other sites. You shouldnt be preaching about valued opinions while at the same time degrading someone for theirs.

Jerkstore.

[PackerBlues]

Cute, Bam! Bitching and Moaning huh?

I have another cute one for you..... SOS! For all of you that still continue to blindly follow Thompson on pure faith with out asking questions. SOS! "Stuck On Stupid"

I hardly say that I'm following blindly, but I dont let it affect my life. Its entertainment, and perspective is very important.

An excellent point, and one that should be taken into consideration.


However, this is a Packer's Forum where people get together to discuss the Packers. Whenever there is more than one side to an issue, you will always have reason to debate. When people debate something, it will sometimes become heated. Thats why I am not bothered by Scott Cambell calling me a "pussy" in an earlier thread, nor am I bothered by Cheesner telling me to remove my head from my ass. Sometimes, when someone cannot intelligently debate their point, rather than concede the point, they lower themselves to name calling or personal attacks. Its nothing new. Neither is the point of view of people who say "just wait and see." Again, this is a forum that is open to discuss issues regarding the Packers. If your response is "just wait and see", your not debating at all, nor are you adding anything to the discussion. Yet you label people who do want to discuss an issue that you dont "BAM". If you do not want to discuss it, why say anything at all?

Firstly, never once have i used this new LAME ASS, sorry excuse for an acronym.

Secondly, you say people can not argue intelligently then you pop off with your SOS, calling all who disagree with you stupid.

Thirdly, as you stated this is a forum for discussion. My points and opinions are equally as valuable as yours.

Dont you think there are people that come here to read football information? This is the easiest way to view Packer articles as they are all here from tons of other sites. You shouldnt be preaching about valued opinions while at the same time degrading someone for theirs.

Jerkstore.

Actually, I was commenting you on your point about keeping things in perspective. If you would also go back over what I wrote, I used the word "you" in general terms in regards to the people that have been using the "Lame ass excuse for an acronym."

and yes, I agree that your points and opinions are just as valuable as mine or anyone elses.

Dont have a cow man.

(p.s. the "SOS" crap was simply in retaliation for the "BAM" crap. Sorry to offend.)

[Zool]

Ahh crap. I had hoped the "jerkstore" at the end would show the entire thing was a joke. I was trying to be way over the top with the whole post. I guess I was too convincing?

I spose i did miss your you = everyone part. I'm no good at chatfights.

[Packnut]

Debate

This debate is like the energizer bunny! It ain't getting settled anytime soon. My advice to all is drop it and re-visit sometime in late October when there will be more "substance" to opinions.

[MJZiggy]

Re: Debate

This debate is like the energizer bunny! It ain't getting settled anytime soon. My advice to all is drop it and re-visit sometime in late October when there will be more "substance" to opinions.

[The Leaper]

Ahman Green said time and time again, that he wanted to stay in GB. Ted just couldnt figure out a way to make that happen.

Ahman Green got a ridiculous deal from Houston...just as Rivera got a ridiculous deal from Dallas a few years back. Most NFL observers I've seen comment on the deal Ahman got have felt it was too costly when you consider Green's likely future performance over 3-4 years. He's not the back he was in 2003-2004.

It would have been foolish for Thompson to match the Houston deal. It would have been foolish for Green to not take the Houston deal. There is no hypocrisy from either side. Thompson doesn't like to overpay, and Green isn't going to turn down huge coin when this is his last chance to sign a big money deal.

No FA RBs were really worth much. Henry? McGahee? Lewis? If these guys were worth something significant, their former teams would be holding on to them. Instead, they are oft-injured and/or over-the-hill.

I'm not sure what happened with Moss, but I'm not going to lose sleep over it. Moss was a short term option anyway...he wanted a one year deal so he could hit free agency in 2008. We would not have signed him long term after 2007.

Before I string Thompson up, I'm willing to let his draft picks grow in the system. Simply writing a GM off because he doesn't go out and sign a bunch of "name" free agents is foolish. Daniel Snyder does that every year...and hasn't won squat. Yeah, they can "help" short-term, but they typically aren't a long-term solution.

If you want to whine and moan about buying free agents, name an NFL champion that won after purchasing at least 1/3 of their starting lineup in free agency. You'll be looking for awhile...because nearly all champions typically develop well over 50% of their starting lineup from drafted talent.

[woodbuck27]

Re: Debate

This debate is like the energizer bunny! It ain't getting settled anytime soon. My advice to all is drop it and re-visit sometime in late October when there will be more "substance" to opinions.

Yup.

It will be clearer in December just how much Ted has laid on to create the winner that won't be in 2007.

He decided to sit on lots CAP space, rather than fill some of the holes prior to the draft, that would have made that exercise (drafting) a lot simpler for himself and ensure priority for our future.

Ted Thompson demonstrated too much (again this off season) that he isn't prepared or equipped to get the job done.

Is there any doubt in that as a fact?

He's still in his third year. Slow or unresponsive to a huge fault.

He's so arrogant and cheap he actually thinks (to make the best deal) the GM of the other team must first approach him.

He lacks guts.

He's not assertive. He doesn't demonstrate flexibility or imagination. He could care less what Packer fans feel or think.

He seldom takes any real stance to ensure that his many challenges are met with better coping skills that will be turned around to be successful.

He admits he doesn't understand why things go certain ways that don't benefit our team. Specifically players coming in for an interview and passing us over for another team, in terms of, how to avoid that in the future.

Why can't we all see that Ted Thompson simply put. Doesn't have any special skill set and 'in fact' mat be perceived around the NFL as a GM that has too much to learn.

We don't all see that as we are merely human and won't always agree but this matter has to do with a common passion. We are not a family devided but merely Packer fans so when are we going to come together to see the common good for our team?

Will 6-10 in 2007 do it for most of you? That's the interesting question as I sit as a member here.

[Partial]

Ahh crap. I had hoped the "jerkstore" at the end would show the entire thing was a joke. I was trying to be way over the top with the whole post. I guess I was too convincing?

Oh yea, well I had sex with your wife.