Scout.com NFC North QB rankings

[HarveyWallbangers]

Our week 1 standings
1a. Favre 1-0 (he gets 1a because his win put him at the top of the list for career wins by a QB with 148)
1b. Kitna 1-0
1c. Jackson 1-0 (career win #1)
4. Grossman 0-1

[Rastak]

Our week 1 standings
1a. Favre 1-0 (he gets 1a because his win put him at the top of the list for career wins by a QB with 148)
1b. Kitna 1-0
1c. Jackson 1-0 (career win #1)
4. Grossman 0-1

Teams win games not individual guys. NFL uses a formula to measure QB's and that's what I'll use in this space.


Our week 1 standings
1. Kitna 102.7
2. Jackson 75.1
3. Favre 58.2
4. Grossman 53.7

[Partial]

The real list is....

1. Favre
2. Kitna
3. Grossman
4. Jackson

PERIOD.

You were so confident I've book marked this baby and will post the QB ratings at the end of the year.
Perhaps you will be completely vindicated.

I don't think quarterback ratings tell the whole story, though. I think Favre will be lower than Grossman and Kitna but be a better player and have more responsibility on his shoulders. My guess is Kitna and Grossman are both about 90 where is Favre is 78ish.

[HarveyWallbangers]

So, you can't measure them with wins, but you can measure them with a passer rating--which doesn't take into account the offensive talent around that player?

[Rastak]

The real list is....

1. Favre
2. Kitna
3. Grossman
4. Jackson

PERIOD.

You were so confident I've book marked this baby and will post the QB ratings at the end of the year.
Perhaps you will be completely vindicated.

I don't think quarterback ratings tell the whole story, though. I think Favre will be lower than Grossman and Kitna but be a better player and have more responsibility on his shoulders. My guess is Kitna and Grossman are both about 90 where is Favre is 78ish.

I agree....but no stat ever tells the whole story. This is the formula the nfl uses thus it's the nfl measuring stivk despite it's imperfections.

[Partial]

So, you can't measure them with wins, but you can measure them with a passer rating--neither of which takes into account the talent around that player?

No, neither works. You need to look at which player is the most talented.

QB rating means nothing when Favre is throwing to DD and JJ while Kitna has two young studs to throw to.

[Scott Campbell]

P is right. Favre would start on any team in this division.

[HarveyWallbangers]

QB rating means nothing when Favre is throwing to DD and JJ while Kitna has two young studs to throw to.

It's not the WRs that I'm worried about. In week 1, it was the OL and RBs. Sure, technically, Favre only generated 9 points in week 1. (He really only generated 3.) Jackson only generated 10 points in week 1. (He really only generated 3 also.) However, Philadelphia's defense is much better than Atlanta'a defense. Maybe not. I guess we'll find out when Minnesota plays Philly later in the year.

I guess I don't get the point of Rastak's post. He told somebody else to re-read the original article earlier, but I don't see where the original article states that the QB rankings are based on passer rating. Am I missing something?

[Rastak]

So, you can't measure them with wins, but you can measure them with a passer rating--which doesn't take into account the offensive talent around that player?

Wins takes into account OFF, DEF and ST. At least with a passer rating you narrow it down. If it's good enough for the NFL, it's good enough for me.

[Rastak]

QB rating means nothing when Favre is throwing to DD and JJ while Kitna has two young studs to throw to.

It's not the WRs that I'm worried about. In week 1, it was the OL and RBs. Sure, technically, Favre only generated 9 points in week 1. (He really only generated 3.) Jackson only generated 10 points in week 1. (He really only generated 3 also.) However, Philadelphia's defense is much better than Atlanta'a defense. Maybe not. I guess we'll find out when Minnesota plays Philly later in the year.

I guess I don't get the point of Rastak's post. He told somebody else to re-read the original article earlier, but I don't see where the original article states that the QB rankings are based on passer rating. Am I missing something?

I'll clarify...gbpackfan made an absolute statement in this thread and since this is what the nfl uses, this is what I'll track all year. Nothing more, nothing less and no reason at all to get uptight!

I'm sure after facing the Giants weak secondary, Favre will shoot up the chart.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I don't know. Seems like a way to dig Favre. You know the Packers offense isn't going to be that good, so his rating will suffer. Do you think if he has a passer rating worse than Kitna or whomever, it will make your argument? Tom Brady had a worse passer rating than Phillip Rivers, Marc Bulger, and Tony Romo last year. Does that prove anything? Does that mean they are better QBs or had a better year?

[HarveyWallbangers]

The real list is....

1. Favre
2. Kitna
3. Grossman
4. Jackson

PERIOD.

I don't get how this is something that should be argued. I think most people would go 1-4 with that for the QBs in the NFC North right now. He didn't say anything about passer rating and neither did the original article.

[HarveyWallbangers]

My bad. I guess he did say "lock it in"--when you came back with the passer rating thing.

[Rastak]

I don't know. Seems like a way to dig Favre. You know the Packers offense isn't going to be that good, so his rating will suffer. Do you think if he has a passer rating worse than Kitna or whomever, it will make your argument? Tom Brady had a worse passer rating than Phillip Rivers, Marc Bulger, and Tony Romo last year. Does that prove anything? Does that mean they are better QBs or had a better year?

I think you are paranoid Harv! Not everything I ever say is intended as a dig. In fact, the percentage of digs is pretty low. Hey, I'm interested to see how this race plays out. Passer rating is imperfect as you point out. No need for us to get all wound up.

[HarveyWallbangers]

1) Favre
2) Kitna
3) Grossman
4) Jackson

Kitna may put up better numbers than Favre, but he has weapons at his disposal.

Favre's supporting cast is among the worst in the league... as QB's go though, Favre is easily the best in the division.

I'll just say that I agree with this. No, I won't go with passer rating as my barometer.