Quick hits from Thursday nights practice

[BallHawk]

Re: Harrell

Disagree with both completely. 1st round draft picks are supposed to step in right away. He'll be in shape sooner than later.

Earlier, in another thread, you said he's going to be the best DT on this team, on opening day. It's not going to happen.

For God's sake, he got stoned last night by Adam Stenavich! And I guarantee you, when he goes against Philly and NYG, he's not going to be going up against any guys like Adam Stenavich.

He'll be lucky if he's the 2nd best DT on our roster on opening day. He's playing like "a guy." He needs to step it up and it's going to take a drastic turnaround to make it happen.

I am not calling him a bust, but he's just not at a level, as of now, where he can make an impact.

[Fritz]

I still am not sure why TT didn't at least counteroffer. It would have seemed so Teddish to make such a trade. And in many respects it appears it would have been a good trade. It would have netted Sidney Rice, whom the Packers appeared to want, as well as the ability to trade down to get the Brandon Jacksons and the Rouses and perhaps even James Jones.

So un-tedlike.

[bbbffl66]

Harrell like many who dominate at the college level seemed to have done it on strength.

At the NFL level everyone is strong and well versed in technique.
Harrell will be learning technique this season and a full off season of strength and conditioning in Green Bay will help him greatly.

He was drafted for his potential. It takes time to get there.

I'm sure the next GM will thank TT then!

[Bretsky]

I still am not sure why TT didn't at least counteroffer. It would have seemed so Teddish to make such a trade. And in many respects it appears it would have been a good trade. It would have netted Sidney Rice, whom the Packers appeared to want, as well as the ability to trade down to get the Brandon Jacksons and the Rouses and perhaps even James Jones.

So un-tedlike.

We've beaten this horse to death, but I agree with you completely. We're rebuilding this team slowly and surely the TT way. That would have been an outstanding deal for Green Bay IMO and consistent in the way he is trying to rebuild through the draft.

Why would TT not do it ? Very simple. He loved Justin Harrell and didn't want to give him up. Maybe he ends up being right and Harrell is a perrennial all pro.

But odds are IMO next year we'd have been looking at one first round pick in the top 10 and a second first round pick in the top 20.

VERY very un TT like to turn down that deal.

[RashanGary]

Why would TT not do it ? Very simple. He loved Justin Harrell and didn't want to give him up.

This is getting more and more rare, but I agree 100% with you. I got the feeling that Thompson liked Harrell a lot.

[Bretsky]

Why would TT not do it ? Very simple. He loved Justin Harrell and didn't want to give him up.

This is getting more and more rare, but I agree 100% with you. I got the feeling that Thompson liked Harrell a lot.

My viewpoint from that comes from probably reading numerous articles right after the draft. TT was questioned about this quite a lot; every time he came back to the answer that he didn't want to give up the shot of drafting Justin Harrell.

But man, the Browns first round draft pick...........unless a fan feels like we are contenders right now it'd be hard to argue with that trade if TT made it.

[RashanGary]

I listen to the press conferences, B. You can hear the tone and gather little hints from how things are said. Much of communication is tone and body language. What is acctually said, is acctually not as important as how it's said. I sort of knew Morency was going to be out longer than a week. Just the way McCarthy talked, you could tell it was more serious than two weeks. I don't know, I think you can pick up a lot listening to those packer.com press conferences.

[Rastak]

I listen to the press conferences, B. You can hear the tone and gather little hints from how things are said. Much of communication is tone and body language. What is acctually said, is acctually not as important as how it's said. I sort of knew Morency was going to be out longer than a week. Just the way McCarthy talked, you could tell it was more serious than two weeks. I don't know, I think you can pick up a lot listening to those packer.com press conferences.

You did nail that one....credit where credit is due. I think some of your optimism (just some) is a bit wild.....but now is the time of year for that.


I wish I was as optomistic about the Vikes.....I'm a bit worried....

[woodbuck27]

I still am not sure why TT didn't at least counteroffer. It would have seemed so Teddish to make such a trade. And in many respects it appears it would have been a good trade. It would have netted Sidney Rice, whom the Packers appeared to want, as well as the ability to trade down to get the Brandon Jacksons and the Rouses and perhaps even James Jones.

So un-tedlike.

Well finally someone gets it. Thank You.

I feel that Ted's response indicates he may have blown that one. He would have improved his draft position for last April a lot by moving up to pick third in rounds 2-4, and, had two firsts, (possibly both in the top third) of the 2008 draft.

My stance.

I certainly believe he did blow it. I sense he knows that now.

Why my stance?

TT selected a DT with that pick in April instead of taking the Cleveland deal. In a sense that was a redundant move, given that DT is where we were strongest on the roster.

Let's take Justin Harrell's medical history out of the argument.

[vince]

It's funny how the people who criticize Thompson for "wasting" Brett Favre's final years by not acquiring the "name" players they think must be better than those already on the roster are the same people who are also criticizing him for not trading out of the first round and giving up the opportunity to acquire the most talented player possible who can help the team win while Brett Favre is still playing.

If Thompson had taken that trade, there's no doubt the same people would be criticizing him for having done so.

If Harrell turns out to be a staunch run defender, his selection will prove to be a very valuable one for Brett Favre and this franchise.

Obviously time will tell, but the strategy to select him in that spot, given the Packers projection for his skills and level of play - was very sound for the present and future of this franchise.

[Bretsky]

Re: Harrell

Disagree with both completely. 1st round draft picks are supposed to step in right away. He'll be in shape sooner than later.

Earlier, in another thread, you said he's going to be the best DT on this team, on opening day. It's not going to happen.

For God's sake, he got stoned last night by Adam Stenavich! And I guarantee you, when he goes against Philly and NYG, he's not going to be going up against any guys like Adam Stenavich.

He'll be lucky if he's the 2nd best DT on our roster on opening day. He's playing like "a guy." He needs to step it up and it's going to take a drastic turnaround to make it happen.

I am not calling him a bust, but he's just not at a level, as of now, where he can make an impact.

Hmm; I sense a bit of shortness in your Turtleite Kool Aide

Hey, one of these years we'll be able to compete in FFL in here; than the real trash talking and debating could start.

Good luck to you and Harv; I"ll miss that competition too.

B