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    Posted August 4, 2007

    Insider: No beating around the Bush

    By Rob Demovsky
    rdemovsk@greenbaypressgazette.com

    Thumbs up

    If Jarrett Bush keeps this up, he's going to force the coaches into giving him a shot at the No. 3 cornerback job.


    So far in camp, Patrick Dendy has gotten all the work as the third corner in the nickel defense, but Bush is closing fast.


    The second-year pro has made a major impact on special teams, blocking a Dave Rayner field goal during Tuesday's practice at City Stadium, but he's been solid in coverage while Dendy continues to give up plays.


    Bush largely had been an afterthought in the battle for the third corner. Dendy, who had the job last season, was going to get the first shot, and most figured free agent Frank Walker would be next in line.


    Bush, who was claimed off waivers from Carolina last September and played in all 16 games last season, mostly on special teams, had blanket coverage on rookie receiver James Jones during a team (11-on-11) period during Friday's practice, and the ball was thrown incomplete.


    Thumbs down

    If there's an early candidate for the dubious honor of being the most disappointing draft pick, it's receiver David Clowney.


    The fifth-round pick from Virginia Tech has struggled with nearly every aspect of his position. Friday's practice was a microcosm of his first week of training camp.


    During a one-on-one period, he dropped a gimme touchdown in the corner of the end zone after cornerback Will Blackmon fell down on coverage. The perfectly thrown ball slipped through his hands. Later in practice, he caught a pass only because it practically stuck in his facemask after again going through his hands.


    Even worse was his mistake on a route in a red-zone play during a team period. On a third-and-5 from the 10-yard line, Clowney quit running on a drag route in the end zone, allowing Brett Favre's pass to fall incomplete. Had the defensive coverage been better, it could have been intercepted.


    The Packers might not be able to use his remarkable speed in the kicking game, because during a special teams period, he couldn't catch a kickoff cleanly.


    Did you notice?

    After making 29 of 30 field goals during the first eight training camp practices, Dave Rayner missed three on Friday. He missed wide left from 34 yards, had a 41-yard kick blocked and missed wide left from 44 yards. His only previous miss was a blocked kick on Tuesday. Rayner made kicks from 34, 41 and 41 yards to finish 3-for-6. Rookie Mason Crosby went 3-for-5, missing wide right from 41 yards and wide right from 44 yards. Crosby is 28-for-33 in camp.



    Jon Ryan averaged 48.5 yards and 4.44 seconds of hang time on eight punts during a special teams period. He had punts of 60 and 69 yards, both of which had 5.1 seconds of hang time. Newly acquired punter Ryan Dougherty averaged 41.6 yards and 4.35 seconds of hang time on six punts.


    Defensive tackle Johnny Jolly jumped offsides three times during the one-on-one pass-rushing drills. When he managed to get off the snap on time, he beat Tony Palmer and Pat Murray but couldn't beat Tyson Walter.


    Aaron Rodgers was nearly flawless during team and 7-on-7 drills, completing 14 of 15 passes.



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    Reader Comment Sat Aug 04, 2007 8:54 am
    Brett should retire after the Moss fiasco. Obviously TT is trying to run him off.
    Retiring Sat Aug 04, 2007 6:45 am
    What????Favre retiring? When did you hear that?
    Rodgers Sat Aug 04, 2007 4:24 am
    I know its just training camp and doesn't mean anything, but it is encouraging to hear that Rodgers is doing well. I am excited to see how he does next year when Favre is retired and we start the next era of Packer football

  • #2
    Well, if a fifth round pick doesn't make it, that's not a huge blow. But if four or five picks don't make it, and a couple are second-third round material, that's not so good.
    "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

    KYPack

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    • #3
      Another one bites the dust for Leo Bookman II.
      "I've got one word for you- Dallas, Texas, Super Bowl"- Jermichael Finley

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      • #4
        Clowney

        Originally posted by Fritz
        Well, if a fifth round pick doesn't make it, that's not a huge blow. But if four or five picks don't make it, and a couple are second-third round material, that's not so good.

        I agree. I was'nt intending to be critical of the pick, just stating a comparison.

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        • #5
          I know, Packnut. It's cool. I was just making an observation.

          I'm wondering if we should start a "Tony Mandarich Award" for the biggest bust of training camp each year.

          Last year, maybe it was Cory Rogers. Yes, he was only a fifth rounder, but he was supposedly just going to tear it up on kick and punt returns.

          This year, it looks like Clowney has the lead, but if Justin Harrell doesn't get into shape in a couple of weeks, he will gain lots of ground on the Clown.
          "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

          KYPack

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          • #6
            Harrell

            Originally posted by Fritz
            I know, Packnut. It's cool. I was just making an observation.

            I'm wondering if we should start a "Tony Mandarich Award" for the biggest bust of training camp each year.

            Last year, maybe it was Cory Rogers. Yes, he was only a fifth rounder, but he was supposedly just going to tear it up on kick and punt returns.

            This year, it looks like Clowney has the lead, but if Justin Harrell doesn't get into shape in a couple of weeks, he will gain lots of ground on the Clown.

            Good idea for the award! As for Harrell, I think some are expecting to much to soon including Thompson and the coaching staff. This guy really has'nt played much football due to injuries including high school. There is a reason hardly anyone had him rated this high in the draft. He really is an unknown commodity.

            I still believe Harrell was a bad pick, not because of his struggles now, but because it was not a need pick. Williams is better than Harrell right now and may turn out to be better period. We had the cap space and should have extended his contract. The guy had the 3rd amount of highest sacks at his position last season and you don't casually throw a DT who can get pressure up the middle away so easily.

            Olsen is looking pretty good in Bears camp. I saw some clips of him stretching the middle and I did'nt realize he was that fast.

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            • #7
              What comparison would you make for Jarrett Bush?

              I've had a feeling Clowney won't do much--just because he was considered our "steal" by the experts. Just like Hodge was last year.
              "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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              • #8
                Bush

                Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
                What comparison would you make for Jarrett Bush?

                I've had a feeling Clowney won't do much--just because he was considered our "steal" by the experts. Just like Hodge was last year.

                Good question. I'm drawing a blank right now. A DB who was cut by another team, then succeeded with his new team. I'm sure there are others who did, I just can't remember them.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Fritz
                  I know, Packnut. It's cool. I was just making an observation.

                  I'm wondering if we should start a "Tony Mandarich Award" for the biggest bust of training camp each year.

                  Last year, maybe it was Cory Rogers. Yes, he was only a fifth rounder, but he was supposedly just going to tear it up on kick and punt returns.

                  This year, it looks like Clowney has the lead, but if Justin Harrell doesn't get into shape in a couple of weeks, he will gain lots of ground on the Clown.

                  Harrell is the guy that we will all remember this year.

                  Because hardly anybody liked the pick on the day of, and than the homerism kicked in (including me) and we all allowed that to take over our logic in justifying why this was a solid pick. Still a terrible decision IMO not to trade with Cleveland. But either way, if Harrell does not turn out TT should get hung out to dry.

                  I hope he does.
                  TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Bretsky
                    Originally posted by Fritz
                    I know, Packnut. It's cool. I was just making an observation.

                    I'm wondering if we should start a "Tony Mandarich Award" for the biggest bust of training camp each year.

                    Last year, maybe it was Cory Rogers. Yes, he was only a fifth rounder, but he was supposedly just going to tear it up on kick and punt returns.

                    This year, it looks like Clowney has the lead, but if Justin Harrell doesn't get into shape in a couple of weeks, he will gain lots of ground on the Clown.

                    Harrell is the guy that we will all remember this year.

                    Because hardly anybody liked the pick on the day of, and than the homerism kicked in (including me) and we all allowed that to take over our logic in justifying why this was a solid pick. Still a terrible decision IMO not to trade with Cleveland. But either way, if Harrell does not turn out TT should get hung out to dry.

                    I hope he does.
                    How can the win now crowd flame TT for giving Favre another player who could be a stud?!? Favre may not be there next year.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Partial
                      Originally posted by Bretsky
                      Originally posted by Fritz
                      I know, Packnut. It's cool. I was just making an observation.

                      I'm wondering if we should start a "Tony Mandarich Award" for the biggest bust of training camp each year.

                      Last year, maybe it was Cory Rogers. Yes, he was only a fifth rounder, but he was supposedly just going to tear it up on kick and punt returns.

                      This year, it looks like Clowney has the lead, but if Justin Harrell doesn't get into shape in a couple of weeks, he will gain lots of ground on the Clown.

                      Harrell is the guy that we will all remember this year.

                      Because hardly anybody liked the pick on the day of, and than the homerism kicked in (including me) and we all allowed that to take over our logic in justifying why this was a solid pick. Still a terrible decision IMO not to trade with Cleveland. But either way, if Harrell does not turn out TT should get hung out to dry.

                      I hope he does.
                      How can the win now crowd flame TT for giving Favre another player who could be a stud?!? Favre may not be there next year.

                      Not to beat a dead horse that has been beaten before, but TT drafted this guy who is recovering from injury at a position of strength that we already had plenty of quality starters at. The win now crowd pointed out that Harrell may not be starting and might just add good depth while there were guys on offense that might have given us the best chance to win now, or a safety that most scouts graded as far far better then what we have.

                      Nobody expects Harrell to be a stud this year with the depth we have on the DL; I don't think that is reasonable.

                      TT had some balls for drafting who he considered the BPA regardless of need (besides Quinn if he was rated better). It needs to work out
                      TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                      • #12
                        If Harrell's addition improves the rushing defense from a middle of the pack ranking to a top 10 or better by clogging running lanes, opening up the linebacking corps to make more plays, and making the strong pass rushing abilities of Corey Williams more effective by keeping him more fresh throughout the game, he will not only be instrumental in making the defense much better, but will also provide Brett Favre and the offense more time to operate and better field position to do so - two obviously vital components of offensive success.

                        Along with the obvious improvements that the OL will make opening holes for the running game after a year of experience in operating the ZBS and a strong offseason of work for the young group of linemen, as well as the added skills and experience throughout the depth of the receiving corps from the likes of Jones, Martin, and Holliday - the offense will perform better. The running backs will perform if the line performs, and we can't possibly get worse production from the TE position this year than last...

                        There is no reason to think that the arm injury will slow Harrell down once he regains game shape after a year off and learns the responsibilities and techniques employed by the Packer defensive line. There is also no reason to think it will take an inordinate amount of time for him to learn and regain his playing abilities - but for a rookie who missed most of his senior season, it will take a little bit of time - which we should give him...

                        It's surprising that the experienced fans represented on this board would jump to such negative conclusions about Harrell's ability to be a strong contributor in the overall winning formula after a few isolated pash rushing exercises by a run stuffer - in the first week of a rookie's camp experience no less.

                        Harrell is predominantly a run stopper. Williams is at his best as a pash rusher. Together, they should make an extremely strong combination - and they'll make each other - and the team - much better.

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                        • #13
                          It's surprising that the experienced fans represented on this board would jump to such negative conclusions about Harrell's ability to be a strong contributor in the overall winning formula after a few isolated pash rushing exercises by a run stuffer - in the first week of a rookie's camp experience no less.


                          It's great to take the full Kool Aide approach Vince; it's equally great to not take the ifs and assume the best of them. We're just going off early reports and reaching for any possible news that there is, which is little.

                          I hope Harrell does make a great combination with Corey Williams
                          I also hope the Harrell pick was not the precursor of letting Williams go.
                          TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                          • #14
                            1. rookie in first week of camp
                            2. rookie in first week of camp who's predominantly a run stuffer.
                            3. rookie in first week of camp who's predominantly a run stuffer and is practicing pass rushing technique.
                            4. rookie in first week of camp who's predominantly a run stuffer and is practicing pass rushing technique who also is getting his first reps back on the field after a season-ending injury in his last year in college and not in hitting game shape yet.

                            To posit that this scenario is not indicative of actual expected results in the regular season is hardly kool-aid drinking. I'd say it's blatantly obvious.

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                            • #15
                              Haven't heard one positive thing about Clowney.

                              All accounts are that he's overwhelmed by the big game.

                              He doesn't seem to be as fast as advertised. The other thing that came out of the Mini's was that he is very slender. Most observers felt he didn't have an NFL build and was a few years away from getting one.

                              Now come the bad stories about his play and hands.

                              Don't sound good for the boy.

                              He should change his name anyhow.

                              What kinda football name is Clowney?

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