Clowney = Cory Rodgers

[Bretsky]

Re: Flip side

And of course the flip side is we don't all have to accept blind faith and optimism based on wishful thinking. No knows for sure at this moment How Harrell and the others will play out.

All I know for certain is that talk is cheap. It's time to see production on the field.

Bingo

I respect all opinions in here;

nothing...the OL improving , a S stepping up, a much better defense to help the offense..., Harell...Jones....are guarantees.

It will be determined on the field and in the end by our win loss record

[Lurker64]

I don't know if the comparison is quite apt. Rodgers was drafted in the fourth round to make an immediate impact doing one thing: returning. In training camp, he proved basically incapable of doing so, since he couldn't catch the darn ball off a punt or a kickoff (one wonders how he racked up those return numbers in college.) Clowney was drafted in the fifth round as a project because he's very, very fast and has potential as a deep threat if he can adapt to the NFL game. That he becomes a deep threat at the NFL level is not a certainty, otherwise he would have been drafted before round 5.

Admittedly, Clowney's highlight reel makes it look like he's someone who should make a contribution this year, but his drart status and overall grade by the scouts seems to point otherwise.

Rodgers was incompetent, Clowney so far just looks like a practice squad guy. Then again, a lot of rookies look lost when they start out, and we've only been through a week of training camp, maybe he'll step it up.

[vince]

Re: Flip side

And of course the flip side is we don't all have to accept blind faith and optimism based on wishful thinking. No knows for sure at this moment How Harrell and the others will play out.

All I know for certain is that talk is cheap. It's time to see production on the field.

Bingo

I respect all opinions in here;

nothing...the OL improving , a S stepping up, a much better defense to help the offense..., Harell...Jones....are guarantees.

It will be determined on the field and in the end by our win loss record

Absolutely agree. We'll find out how things come together.

BTW, Bretsky, you're very good - perhaps the best - at respecting all opinions. Thank you for that.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Unless Clowney shows some unbelievable return skills in preseason, I don't see him making the team.

[KYPack]

I'd definitely agree with Bretsky.

A guy like Clowney needs a year on the PS.

He can get adjusted to the speed of the pro game and spend a year in an NFL weight room.

The only problem might be another team sniping off PS. Big time speed does attract rival scouts.

[Brandon494]

No way he would make it to the PS, another team would sign him for sure.

[KYPack]

No way he would make it to the PS, another team would sign him for sure.

Ya might be right.

He had a long return tonite. Maybe it was a tad early to assign the boy to the PS. If he gets more proficient running routes, catching the ball, etc., he's got him a roster spot.

[The Shadow]

If Harrell will be an important cog in the years ahead, choosing him was
terrific. The Packers are being retooled, and the 'win right now!' attitude with a young team just developing seems counterproductive.
I think TT has demonstrated an excellent eye for talent.

[woodbuck27]

Maybe David Clowney has only enough skills to be in the CFL where Cory Rodgers landed this season.

Cory Rodgers is doing pretty good so far up here this season. He scored a TD last week.

Update !

Some great stuff coming out on Clowney last couple of days. V. positive.

We need a speedy WR prospect. We need a return man and a gunner on ST's.

Clowney?

[The Leaper]

All along I've maintained that Clowney is heading for the practice squad. He's got very good speed, but needs to put on a few pounds and become much better in basic fundamentals. This is a guy who wasn't a regular starter in college...he has A LOT of learning to do as a WR. I could care less how fast he is when he doesn't run routes effectively.

[Bretsky]

Re: Flip side

And of course the flip side is we don't all have to accept blind faith and optimism based on wishful thinking. No knows for sure at this moment How Harrell and the others will play out.

All I know for certain is that talk is cheap. It's time to see production on the field.

Bingo

I respect all opinions in here;

nothing...the OL improving , a S stepping up, a much better defense to help the offense..., Harell...Jones....are guarantees.

It will be determined on the field and in the end by our win loss record

Absolutely agree. We'll find out how things come together.

BTW, Bretsky, you're very good - perhaps the best - at respecting all opinions. Thank you for that.

Thanks for the kind words Vince; and believe me when I say that I hope you are absolutely right on all of your optimism.

Have a great rest of the weekend,
Bretsky

[Bretsky]

If Harrell will be an important cog in the years ahead, choosing him was
terrific. The Packers are being retooled, and the 'win right now!' attitude with a young team just developing seems counterproductive.
I think TT has demonstrated an excellent eye for talent.

Now there is our main disagreement, and based on all of his interviews Ted Thompson would disagree with you as well. TT is embracing the win now attitude and expects to succeed this year. Look at all of his recent interviews.

He has chosen a course of action to build this team through the draft this year and decided not to pursue free agency. That may or may not have been the right choice. But it was TT's choice and he expects to win now. I completely agree with Bob McGinn in that fans should expect Green Bay to improve numbers wise and win at least nine games. I bet TT would say the same himself.

The free pass is over; it doesn't take 3-5 years to rebuild anymore.

The season's right around the corner; the improvement on the win loss record will have the biggest say in how I feel about TT one year from now.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I doubt many GMs draft for year 1--since a overwhelming majority of rookies don't contribute much their rookie year (even a guy like Mario Williams). Can we agree that Corey Williams, with or without Harrell, could be gone next year? If so, would you be comfortable with Pickett, Jolly, and Cole in 2008? Let's face it: it was a need pick, but not necessarily for this year. Besides, probably 30 of 32 teams need three good DTs, so he helps this year also--if he's as good as people believe.

[Scott Campbell]

Can we agree that Corey Williams, with or without Harrell, could be gone next year?

I guess I don't understand this. Why does there seem to be so much speculation that Williams will be gone. We've got a ton of available cap space, and can't we still tag the guy if we really want him?

[HarveyWallbangers]

That wasn't my point. My point is that drafting a DT could help them this year, and it protects them next year--since there is no guarantee that Williams will be on the team. It basically is a need pick. Like when Philly drafted two corners (Sheppard, Brown) when their two starters (Vincent, Taylor) were in the last year of their contracts.