Clowney = Cory Rodgers

[Bretsky]

That wasn't my point. My point is that drafting a DT could help them this year, and it protects them next year--since there is no guarantee that Williams will be on the team. It basically is a need pick. Like when Philly drafted two corners (Sheppard, Brown) when their two starters (Vincent, Taylor) were in the last year of their contracts.

I sure hope the drafting of Harrell would have nothing, nothing at all to do with the Williams negotiations. Some of TT's supporters will criticize TT if he sends Harrell packing. It's not like we don't have money.

I agree it's very possible that Williams might be gone next year, but unless he falls on his face I will undoubtedly not be happy at all about it.

[RashanGary]

Signing Corey Williams to a long term deal after this season will be a perfect example of how an oppertunistic, value concious approach affords a team the ablity to load up at important positions instead of letting good talent go at DT so you can bring in average talent at FB.


I've said over and over that Ted Thompson seems to have a flexible, open ended approach that is grounded in oppertunism, value and an understanding of all NFL talent markets. Letting Corey Williams go would be a Mike Sherman move that would be grounded in desperation and an ignorant belief that you can just get whatever you need on the FA market every year. If Ted Thompson lets Corey Williams go for anything less than a top 25 pick or a damn good player at another position, I'll be irrate. One of Thompsons biggest supporters will no longer be in his corner.

I have reasons for believing in Ted Thompson and letting Corey Williams just leave in free agency would go against everything I've supported.

[The Shadow]

The best drafting philosophy for the long haul is to pick the best player on your board. If Harrell was that player, he should have been chosen. Drafting for immediate need never seems to work.

[Scott Campbell]

Some of TT's supporters will criticize TT if he sends Harrell packing.

You mean Williams??

[Scott Campbell]

Letting Corey Williams go would be a Mike Sherman move that would be grounded in desperation and an ignorant belief that you can just get whatever you need on the FA market every year.

It's also grounded in his salary cap management, which often left him with little or no money to keep valuable players. Much of Shermy's money went to overpriced contracts.

[RashanGary]

It's also grounded in his salary cap management, which often left him with little or no money to keep valuable players. Much of Shermy's money went to overpriced contracts.

Right. High risk, middle reward type players was what Sherman liked to invest in. His whole risk/reward scale was broken. Well, not broken, but he'd never been an NFL GM or dealt with managing a cap, a roster or a draft. His scale was never broken, he just never had one.

[Bretsky]

Some of TT's supporters will criticize TT if he sends Harrell packing.

You mean Williams??

OH, crap, yes I did

[Packgator]

I know, Packnut. It's cool. I was just making an observation.

I'm wondering if we should start a "Tony Mandarich Award" for the biggest bust of training camp each year.

Last year, maybe it was Cory Rogers. Yes, he was only a fifth rounder, but he was supposedly just going to tear it up on kick and punt returns.

This year, it looks like Clowney has the lead, but if Justin Harrell doesn't get into shape in a couple of weeks, he will gain lots of ground on the Clown.

Harrell is the guy that we will all remember this year.

Because hardly anybody liked the pick on the day of, and than the homerism kicked in (including me) and we all allowed that to take over our logic in justifying why this was a solid pick. Still a terrible decision IMO not to trade with Cleveland. But either way, if Harrell does not turn out TT should get hung out to dry.

I hope he does.

Here is one observation from Family Night......

""Rookie defensive tackle Justin Harrell made an immediate impact. On his snap of the night, the first-round draft pick recorded a tackle, stopping running back DeShawn Winn for a 2-yard gain. On the next play, Harrell shed a block by left guard Allen Barbre and batted down a pass by Rodgers. Harrell wasn't in on any more plays the rest of the scrimmage.""

http://www.packersnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070805/PKR01/708050702/1989

[vince]

Williams is signable next year, and I would expect him to be resigned, unless Harrell, Jolly and Cole develop a completeness to their games to a great enough extent that Williams becomes expendable. Perhaps that's not likely, but Jolly is a guy who does have some potential. Obviously, Ted will have a much better grasp on that than any of us - at the right time.

[Scott Campbell]

It's also grounded in his salary cap management, which often left him with little or no money to keep valuable players. Much of Shermy's money went to overpriced contracts.

Right. High risk, middle reward type players was what Sherman liked to invest in. His whole risk/reward scale was broken. Well, not broken, but he'd never been an NFL GM or dealt with managing a cap, a roster or a draft. His scale was never broken, he just never had one.

And say what you want about tightwad Ted and his lack of free agent acquisitions this summer, but there is no question that he has preserved a tremendous amount of cap flexibility on a go forward basis. There's a lot of different ways he can play the hand he's dealt himself. He has options that many teams don't have.

[Bretsky]

It's also grounded in his salary cap management, which often left him with little or no money to keep valuable players. Much of Shermy's money went to overpriced contracts.

Right. High risk, middle reward type players was what Sherman liked to invest in. His whole risk/reward scale was broken. Well, not broken, but he'd never been an NFL GM or dealt with managing a cap, a roster or a draft. His scale was never broken, he just never had one.

And say what you want about tightwad Ted and his lack of free agent acquisitions this summer, but there is no question that he has preserved a tremendous amount of cap flexibility on a go forward basis. There's a lot of different ways he can play the hand he's dealt himself. He has options that many teams don't have.

With the insanely rising cap more and more teams currently have this same flexibility to go and an make a big play if they choose. My gut tells me we will always have cap room flexibility.

[run pMc]

I have a feeling Bodiford gets the KR spot and Clowney goes to the PS. If he's still raw, he should spend some time there. As far as getting plucked off the PS, to do that somebody has to sign him to the active roster. So let's play the WR guessing game and say we keep DD, Jennings, Martin, Holliday, Jones and Bodiford.
That means Fergy gets cut, and KoRo doesn't come back. With guys like that on the street, I think it's a reasonable risk to put Clowney on the PS since it's unlikely someone's going to use a roster spot on a raw player.

As for the Harrell pick, I think the BPA philosophy sometimes means you have an embarrassment of riches at a position, which also means you can parley (via trade) that into more draft picks which can be used to fix other areas. (Either that, or you end up with incredible depth.) With all the money in the DLine (KGB, Kampman, Pickett), it's not a given that TT will resign Williams, so Harrell is a safe pick in terms of keeping depth. The scouting reports were on Harrell are in general very positive, so I'm looking forward to seeing if they are correct. If he's rusty one week into TC -- after not playing for a year -- I'm not too concerned. I think we'll know more about him by week 4 or 5 when he's in game shape and has had some snaps under his belt.
He's still a rookie.

[Brandon494]

No way Clowney makes it to PS, someone will sign him for sure.

[woodbuck27]

Maybe David Clowney has only enough skills to be in the CFL where Cory Rodgers landed this season.

Cory Rodgers is doing pretty good so far up here this season. He scored a TD last week.

Americans would prefer not to play in a land covered by thick sheets of ice.

+ You have to date a moose for your social life.

You need a vacation to Montreal KY.

Maybe your heart couldn't handle it.

Yea. that Quebecquois blood is something else. . .to look at !!

The most beautiful ladies in the world live here.

Been there many times Buck.

The boys in Quebec City say their ladies are the most beautiful ladies in Canada.

I was just playing that old forum game of "pin the tail on our resident Canuck".

Yup. that Quebecquois blood is something else. . .to look at !!

Blacker than black hair and all the goodies but they can be hot in the temperment package.

The ladies fr, the Maritimes and Newfoundland are special KY.

[KYPack]

Maybe David Clowney has only enough skills to be in the CFL where Cory Rodgers landed this season.

Cory Rodgers is doing pretty good so far up here this season. He scored a TD last week.

Americans would prefer not to play in a land covered by thick sheets of ice.

+ You have to date a moose for your social life.

You need a vacation to Montreal KY.

Maybe your heart couldn't handle it.

Yea. that Quebecquois blood is something else. . .to look at !!

The most beautiful ladies in the world live here.

Been there many times Buck.

The boys in Quebec City say their ladies are the most beautiful ladies in Canada.

I was just playing that old forum game of "pin the tail on our resident Canuck".

Yup. that Quebecquois blood is something else. . .to look at !!

Blacker than black hair and all the goodies but they can be hot in the temperment package.

The ladies fr, the Maritimes and Newfoundland are special KY.

I know, Buck.

Newfie blood runs hot.

And ya don't have to talk to 'em.

BTW, ya won't see Clowney in the Grey Cup this year.

He'll be playin' in the States this year