Offense, Rodgers make a good first impression

[Scott Campbell]

Re: Rodgers

Until he stops locking in on his primary right from the snap, Rodgers is going to stuggle. The difference between him and Favre is huge. It was understandable the first few years cause they all do it, but he's been around long enough now to figure it out.

A QB MUST lock on to the initial receiver right from the snap on most routes. How in the hell are you gonna read the guy's route if you aren't looking at him? There is a time and a place to "look off" a receiver to get back to him and fake out the defender, but it's rare and a luxury. Most of MM's offense are quicks and slants. You don't have the time to do any fancy shit, you've got to read the route and get it to the receiver on rhythm.

There are fans and many broadcasters who are critical of QB's for looking at the pass receiver, but most times that criticism in unwarranted. They only say that shit when the pass gets picked. The QB is looking at (locked on) the receiver on 99% of completions, too.

Rodgers did a good job. His pocket awareness has greatly improved. His pass were on rhythm and crisper. He had a good sense of tempo and got the offense in and out of their plays.

The guy is improving and might be a QB for us some day.

I hope.

Nicely dispelled urban legend. These kinds of posts are why I love coming here. It's too bad we can't put up clips and have you and some of the other X's and O's posters break down film.

[Packgator]

First couple of series was 2s vs. 1s?

Right. They had no running game and the pass protection was awfull. The defense ran over the offense during that series

As it should. I'd be concerned if the number 2 offense had its way with the number 1 defense. Did the 1's go against each other at all?

[Packgator]

Well I don't think Aaron is where he should be to date.

Until he is on the field full time, there is no way to he will ever be "where he should be to date". I am probably one of the few that realizes that THIS should be the year that Rodgers has to take over, for his future potential.

"THIS" should only be the year if he can beat out the guy in front of him. He's the second best QB on the team.....therefore he's on the second team. Should the second best center be given the job? How about the second best left tackle? Or the second best......well you get the point.

[Packnut]

Re: Rodgers

Until he stops locking in on his primary right from the snap, Rodgers is going to stuggle. The difference between him and Favre is huge. It was understandable the first few years cause they all do it, but he's been around long enough now to figure it out.

A QB MUST lock on to the initial receiver right from the snap on most routes. How in the hell are you gonna read the guy's route if you aren't looking at him? There is a time and a place to "look off" a receiver to get back to him and fake out the defender, but it's rare and a luxury. Most of MM's offense are quicks and slants. You don't have the time to do any fancy shit, you've got to read the route and get it to the receiver on rhythm.

There are fans and many broadcasters who are critical of QB's for looking at the pass receiver, but most times that criticism in unwarranted. They only say that shit when the pass gets picked. The QB is looking at (locked on) the receiver on 99% of completions, too.

Rodgers did a good job. His pocket awareness has greatly improved. His pass were on rhythm and crisper. He had a good sense of tempo and got the offense in and out of their plays.

The guy is improving and might be a QB for us some day.

I hope.

It's called using "peripheral vision". You do not turn your head in the complete direction of your primary right from the snap. Perfect example was the one he threw in the left corner RZ. He locked in right from the snap and both defenders broke on the ball before the WR. QB 101 my friend.

I had a HS coach who would make me run laps every damn time I did it. There's a big difference between looking at your primary and then looking off and coming back to him. If you recorded it, go back and watch cause that's what I did this a.m. and it was obvious that he does it often.

[KYPack]

Re: Rodgers

Until he stops locking in on his primary right from the snap, Rodgers is going to stuggle. The difference between him and Favre is huge. It was understandable the first few years cause they all do it, but he's been around long enough now to figure it out.

A QB MUST lock on to the initial receiver right from the snap on most routes. How in the hell are you gonna read the guy's route if you aren't looking at him? There is a time and a place to "look off" a receiver to get back to him and fake out the defender, but it's rare and a luxury. Most of MM's offense are quicks and slants. You don't have the time to do any fancy shit, you've got to read the route and get it to the receiver on rhythm.

There are fans and many broadcasters who are critical of QB's for looking at the pass receiver, but most times that criticism in unwarranted. They only say that shit when the pass gets picked. The QB is looking at (locked on) the receiver on 99% of completions, too.

Rodgers did a good job. His pocket awareness has greatly improved. His pass were on rhythm and crisper. He had a good sense of tempo and got the offense in and out of their plays.

The guy is improving and might be a QB for us some day.

I hope.

It's called using "peripheral vision". You do not turn your head in the complete direction of your primary right from the snap. Perfect example was the one he threw in the left corner RZ. He locked in right from the snap and both defenders broke on the ball before the WR. QB 101 my friend.

I had a HS coach who would make me run laps every damn time I did it. There's a big difference between looking at your primary and then looking off and coming back to him. If you recorded it, go back and watch cause that's what I did this a.m. and it was obvious that he does it often.

Yeah, I'll look at it. Which play do you mean, the Williams pick or the Blackmon pick? At what point in the "game" was it.

There is another aspect to it. if a safety starts reading the QB's eyes (or head turn), he gets known as a "peeker". One too many peeks will get you burned. Everybody (defenders) does, but you better not do it all the time. Looking off is possible from time to time, but not all the time.

Whether or not to look off the receiver is not 101 to all QB teachers. Read "Quarterbacking" by Ken Anderson (Bill Walshes 1st disciple) That system teaches head position works with the body and feet to insure accuracy. Look, step, throw. I guess yer HS coach disagreed, but there are many schools of thought on this exact topic.

[Rastak]

My "laymans" understanding of it is that it's bad to lock on to one reciever from the get go. Just as KY mentioned, guys will break on the ball they know where it's going. I think the better QB's in the league don't do this. I'm sure some of it is experience or lack therof.

[4and12to12and4]

Well, from what I saw, Rodgers still has a ways to go as far as reading the defense, and seeing the backside rush. He would definitely be getting sacked much more than Favre, but comparing them might not be fair, because we have been blessed for a decade and a half with watching a guy back there that has eyes in the back of his head, and has an uncanny sense about when to get out of the pocket. Aaron doesn't have that same sense of awareness, IMO.

One thing that I was impressed with that I have always questioned about Aaron is his arm strength. I was pleasantly surprised at a few of his longer throws during the scrimmage. I didn't think he had the arm strength to get those passes off. I don't know if this is a reflection of his strength and conditioning these past years, or if I just underrated him from day one. But, I went away from this scrimmage with a better feeling that maybe, if he can get a better feeling in the pocket in terms of pressure and reading defenses, he possesses the tools to be a good QB.

[4and12to12and4]

BTW, isn't is amazing to watch Brett go out there and zip the ball downfield, and outplay all the other QB's at the age of 38? We are watching, IMO, the greatest QB of all time, and he looks to me as though he hasn't lost anything this offseason. Without injury, he could probably play 3 more years and be in the UPPER echelon of QB's in the league. The guy is extraordinary!

[HarveyWallbangers]

Brett's only 37. He's less than a year older than me, so don't make him out to be older than he is.

[KYPack]

OK, I watched tape.

There was exactly one example of a "look off". On the first pass from scrimmage, Brett looked to the right at DD doing a mid route. Then he quickly looked and tossed to Jennings running a sit down in the seam in the middle of the field.

I thought I recalled that no QB looked off the initial and went to another route to fool the D. I forgot the first pass, but that's OK, I can forget breakfast from time to time.

All the QB's looked at their initial option and then looked to their checkdown and passed to 'em from time to time in the game.

I've said it before & I'll say it again. Looking off a receiver is a play you can use from time to time, but nobody does it all the time. You look, step and make the good toss. you'll never make a living trying to tr4ick everybody by constantly looking off & nobody does it either.

Rodgers had a pretty good game and has showed growth, "locking on or no locking on" his initial receiver.

As far as Rodgers tossing a pick because he constantly looked at the initial receiver, I think the shit read and poor toss had a lot more to do with the pick than the poor eye management.

[woodbuck27]

Keep in mind the #2 offense was going up against the #1 defense for a while. Rodgers was getting a ton of pressure and the running game was non existant. I thought he did a good job running a completely inferior team to what he was competing against.

Favre got to beat up on the #2 defense. It wasn't what I was hoping to see. I wanted 1's against 1's.

The smart thing for the coaching staff to do was to use the NO. 1 'O' Vs Aaron Rodgers offense to see what he has now.

We already are aware of Favre's status.