Is having four starting caliber defensive tackles a problem?

[RashanGary]

I have no problems if TT thinks he has enough depth to trade a DL for a player who will help now; no excused for letting Williams go via free agency though.

I have no problem if the player he gets has as much impact on the win/loss record as Williams. My original post shows that I think Williams will have a big impact on our defense and our season because of what it will mean for our 4th quarter defense. If you can bring in a guy that will bring impact the way Williams will impact the line, GREAT. if not, it's not worth unloading Williams for a barely average starter or a 3rd round pick.

[Scott Campbell]

Re: Is having four starting caliber defensive tackles a prob

Being the TT questioner I will admit that one of the first thougts I had when I heard Harrell's name drafted was TT doesn't want to pay Williams

I think Ted's methods are becoming clearer every month. He doesn't mind paying guys. He does mind overpaying guys. If Williams and his agent don't get crazy, we'll probably sign him.

[Bretsky]

I have no problems if TT thinks he has enough depth to trade a DL for a player who will help now; no excused for letting Williams go via free agency though.

I have no problem if the player he gets has as much impact on the win/loss record as Williams. My original post shows that I think Williams will have a big impact on our defense and our season because of what it will mean for our 4th quarter defense. If you can bring in a guy that will bring impact the way Williams will impact the line, GREAT. if not, it's not worth unloading Williams for a barely average starter or a 3rd round pick.

[wist43]

There was good depth on the DL b/4 they drafted Harrell... hence, the criticism. As some of us have pointed out from the second they drafted Harrell, he may be a good player, but a bad pick.

As for moving one of these guys b/4 the season starts - don't think that's very likely at all. Maybe Cole would be a candidate to move, but if they move Cole, and Williams leaves as a FA after the season, and Pickett will only have one year left, DT could very quickly become a position of need.

Very happy with how Jolly played in the scrimmage... I've got him as our #1 DT at this point. All of them will play plenty as part of a rotation, but Jolly was clearly the best DT on the field Saturday night.

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There was good depth on the DL b/4 they drafted Harrell... hence, the criticism. As some of us have pointed out from the second they drafted Harrell, he may be a good player, but a bad pick.

As for moving one of these guys b/4 the season starts - don't think that's very likely at all. Maybe Cole would be a candidate to move, but if they move Cole, and Williams leaves as a FA after the season, and Pickett will only have one year left, DT could very quickly become a position of need.

Very happy with how Jolly played in the scrimmage... I've got him as our #1 DT at this point. All of them will play plenty as part of a rotation, but Jolly was clearly the best DT on the field Saturday night.

Did they really only sign Pickett for three years? I thought it was four. If it is only three years, I could see them resigning Corey Williams and resigning him. He is two years younger than Pickett. Than again, Pickett isn't that old.

The play of Jolly is very, very good. If he and Harrell can turn into a John Henderson and Marcus Stroud, then we'll be in very good shape to make another run in the next couple of years.

[wist43]

Off the top of my head, I thought it was 3... if it's 4, it buys them some more time.

Still, I don't want to see Williams walk... would much rather have extended Williams, and used the 1st round pick elsewhere.

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Off the top of my head, I thought it was 3... if it's 4, it buys them some more time.

Still, I don't want to see Williams walk... would much rather have extended Williams, and used the 1st round pick elsewhere.

Well, if Jolly turns into a player it will look like a bad pick. If he is a fuddy duddy and fizzes out, I can see the reason TT made the Harrell pick.

[wist43]

Off the top of my head, I thought it was 3... if it's 4, it buys them some more time.

Still, I don't want to see Williams walk... would much rather have extended Williams, and used the 1st round pick elsewhere.

Well, if Jolly turns into a player it will look like a bad pick. If he is a fuddy duddy and fizzes out, I can see the reason TT made the Harrell pick.

I think Harrell will be alright - that is to say I don't think he'll be a bust.

That said, even making allowances for his inability to work out and his lack of PT going back to last year, he looked more like a 5th round pick, than a 1st round pick. As I said though, I think he'll be alright.

Jolly on the other hand, showed good quickness, looked very stout holding the point, and showed good ability to get down the line. There's a long way to go, and some guys wear down as camp, and the season, roll by; but, as of now, I've got Jolly at the top of my DT list.

[woodbuck27]

Re: Is having four starting caliber defensive tackles a prob

I've heard more and more sentiment to unload Williams. Maybe it's just a select few because everyone here seems happy with depth.

Where are you going with this, JH?

We don't have that much depth at DT to unload Cory Williams. It's a wait and see (how he plays this season). If good, then try to extend him but that has the obvious risk of losing him for dick all.

I say that if TT is smart, then watch him carefully and by 6-8 games in, make a move to extend if that is warranted.

That was your stance on Monday-Tuesday this week JH. Now you've flopped JH. Flopp'd. . .

'Heck'. . . you've gone all Scientific America on us.

Why did you do that JH, when your right at the first of the week? We need Cory Williams as it's obvious that Justin Harrell will at least take awhile to develop.

Also Ryan Pickett isn'y exactly flying high in TC to date.

[The Leaper]

Re: Is having four starting caliber defensive tackles a prob

We don't have that much depth at DT to unload Cory Williams.

I think we have PLENTY of depth to be able to handle moving Williams. Pickett, Williams, Jolly, Cole, Harrell, Jenkins...they can all play DT.

The issue is getting enough value in return in a trade. There is no point in moving Williams if you don't get enough in return. Hold on to him just in case...because you know what you've got with him.

[Bretsky]

Re: Is having four starting caliber defensive tackles a prob

We don't have that much depth at DT to unload Cory Williams.

I think we have PLENTY of depth to be able to handle moving Williams. Pickett, Williams, Jolly, Cole, Harrell, Jenkins...they can all play DT.

The issue is getting enough value in return in a trade. There is no point in moving Williams if you don't get enough in return. Hold on to him just in case...because you know what you've got with him.

I'm fine with moving anybody for fair value in our areas of need..aka...offense

Cole is just a guy IMO; jury still out on Jolly before I join the fluff gang.

[woodbuck27]

Re: Is having four starting caliber defensive tackles a prob

We don't have that much depth at DT to unload Cory Williams.

I think we have PLENTY of depth to be able to handle moving Williams. Pickett, Williams, Jolly, Cole, Harrell, Jenkins...they can all play DT.

The issue is getting enough value in return in a trade. There is no point in moving Williams if you don't get enough in return. Hold on to him just in case...because you know what you've got with him.

I'm fine with moving anybody for fair value in our areas of need..aka...offense

Cole is just a guy IMO; jury still out on Jolly before I join the fluff gang.

I agree with that B.

I'd trade Ryan Pickett in a minute if I could get value on 'O'.

I'm not as high on him as some here. I see too much lazy.

[RashanGary]

I agree with the Jolly tidbit, Wist. I watched the tape again and he was really disruptive. He looks like he's ready to take that next step.

[Bretsky]

I agree with the Jolly tidbit, Wist. I watched the tape again and he was really disruptive. He looks like he's ready to take that next step.

I didn't see the game; I just want to see him do it for a bit in the preseason be4 I join the Jolly Aide gang

[RashanGary]

Hawk
Jennings
Colledge
Spitz
Jolly
Moll

All from one draft. By Wolf's standards that is two years worth of good drafting.