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    Right on the money

    Packers $13.3 million beneath salary cap

    By BOB McGINN
    bmcginn@journalsentinel.com

    Posted: Aug. 8, 2007

    Green Bay - If the Green Bay Packers ever want to toss the dice and go after an expensive player, this year and next look like as good a chance as any to do it.

    Brimming with salary-cap room and with nowhere they have to spend it, the Packers can play out 2007 and head into free agency next winter in prime shape.

    "Quite frankly, every team goes at it differently," general manager Ted Thompson said Wednesday. "If you think you've got a shot to do something, maybe you become like the Yankees and say, 'OK, fine. We'll go for it.' I'm not knocking the Yankees, but they can throw some money at it and fix it."

    Thompson's steady-as-she-goes stint astride the Packers' football helm suggests Yankee-like aggressiveness isn't forthcoming. Should he change course, however, the money is there for him to make waves.

    Presently, the Packers stand $13.3 million beneath their adjusted salary cap of $109.653 million, giving them the ninth-most room in the National Football League. Of their 90 players under contract, 71 have deals beyond this season.

    Of those 19 players with expiring contracts, there's not one that the Packers must break the bank to retain.

    "We're always involved in something," said Thompson. "But I wouldn't categorize anything as pressing."

    Among the six unrestricted free agents, tight end Donald Lee is the only starter and defensive tackle Corey Williams perhaps is the most valuable.

    Running back Vernand Morency heads the six-man class of upcoming restricted free agents, but he would have a lot to prove before the Packers would deem it expedient to throw money at him.

    Thompson has based his rebuilding effort around the draft, not free agency or the trade market. Draft choices are younger and work cheaper than veterans, which is one reason the Packers have such vigorous financial health.

    At the same time, Thompson decided against what he considered overspending to retain such players as Mike Wahle, Marco Rivera and Darren Sharper in 2005, Ryan Longwell and Mike Flanagan in '06, and Ahman Green and David Martin in '07.

    It's also possible that Javon Walker might have stayed in Green Bay if Thompson quietly would have satisfied his monetary requests before runaway emotions on both sides led to his trade in April 2006.

    Since taking over in January 2005, Thompson has made his most significant cash outlays by extending the contracts of such players as Bubba Franks, Aaron Kampman, Donald Driver, Scott Wells, Al Harris, Nick Barnett and Cullen Jenkins. Of the group, only the Franks signing can be questioned.

    "We want to make sure we're in a position where we can make decisions based on football merit as opposed to dollar signs," Thompson said. "We don't want to be in that type of position ever. So we try to make good decisions, sign our own players and go forward.

    "If we need to do something or have an opportunity to do something we're in a position where we can do that and not stretch ourselves too thin. Simple as that. Same way someone would with a budget anywhere."

    Even 18 months from now, the Packers should have few concerns. The only players of substance due to become unrestricted free agents in March 2009 are Mark Tauscher and Brady Poppinga. Tauscher will have played 10 seasons by then and might be nearing the end, and Poppinga has yet to prove he's a long-term starter.

    "We work hard to try to provide flexibility for the present while protecting the future," said Andrew Brandt, who negotiates almost every contract as vice president of player finance.

    The Packers also have gone well past the point where the retirement of Brett Favre would damage their cap. If Favre retires after this season, with three years left on his contract, his $12 million base salary for 2008 would become void. The only cap remaining charges would be $600,000 in '08 and $300,000 in '09.

    As it stands now, the Packers rank about 23rd in so-called "dead money" at $3.2 million (3.3% of their cap), well down from about $7.2 million 12 months ago.

    Only six departed players are counting more than $100,000 against Green Bay's cap, including Ahmad Carroll ($1.861 million), Cory Rodgers ($348,840), Kevin Barry ($306,720), Donnell Washington ($177,500), Mark Roman ($175,000) and B.J. Sander ($145,907).

    Contrast that with the Houston Texans, who have nine of their ex-players counting more than $1 million. The Texans lead the NFL with $32 million.

    "'Dead money' is just part of doing business," Thompson said. "I don't know we did better or were smarter. Maybe we were luckier. This is a game of people."

    Using a "pay as you go" philosophy, the Packers have used favorable cap situations in recent years to front-load contracts of their veterans. Most NFL deals provide more money to players the longer they play, but in many cases the Packers structured contracts to use up immediate cap space and lessen the load later.

    A total of 18 players presently counting $1 million or more against Green Bay's cap have contracts for next year. Thirteen of those 18 players have cap-salary increases for '08 that total $8.81 million whereas the other five show decreases next year totaling $4.61 million.

    Unlike some teams, the Packers haven't had to cut useful players because the later years of their contracts became prohibitive. With the salary cap expected to rise another $8 million or so next year, the Packers will have more than enough room to maneuver.

    "As best we can, we're comfortable trying to stay a little bit ahead of the game," said Thompson. "I do think teams are better now at managing this end of the football process."
    Draft Brandin Cooks WR OSU!

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    Expiration dates

    Posted: Aug. 8, 2007

    The Packers have 90 players under contract. Pending developments, the contracts of these players will expire after the season and they'll become free agents in March:

    UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENTS (6)

    Player Pos Age '07 Cap Salary
    Rob Davis LS 38 $481,240
    *Donald Lee TE 26 701,240
    Frank Walker CB 26 1,186,240
    Tyson Walter C 29 701,240
    Tracy White LB 26 481,240
    Corey Williams DT 26 875,920

    RESTRICTED FREE AGENTS (6)


    Colin Cole DT 27 440,160
    Patrick Dendy CB 25 441,240
    Noah Herron RB 25 441,240
    *Brandon Miree FB 26 366,240
    Vernand Morency RB 27 440,520
    Dave Rayner K 24 441,240

    EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS FREE AGENTS (7)

    TE Zac Alcorn, S Atari Bigby, WR Chris Francies, WR Carlyle Holiday, TE Tory Humphey, WR Ruvell Martin, RB P.J. Pope.

    Note: *Starter
    Draft Brandin Cooks WR OSU!

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    • #3
      It is comforting to know we have $32M in cap space to spend next year if Favre retires...but still no strong talent at RB or TE.
      My signature has NUDITY in it...whatcha gonna do?

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      • #4
        Fewer and fewer big names are going to be available... this years crop of FA's was very thin - at least at the top. I don't see that changing any time soon.

        Teams have learned how to manage their caps much better than even 3-4 years ago... that, coupled with the increased cap from the CBA, means TT probably won't have many opportunities to throw the $$$ around, even if he were inclined - which of course he isn't.

        I haven't looked to see who would even be available, but given the realities mentioned above, I don't think we can expect TT to do much in the '08 offseason - actually, I'd be shocked if he did anything at all.
        wist

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        • #5
          Originally posted by wist43
          Fewer and fewer big names are going to be available... this years crop of FA's was very thin - at least at the top. I don't see that changing any time soon.
          It may not change next year, but things will start tightening up again by 2009...enough that a few good players may become available for those willing to overspend.

          I'm really at a loss. I understand being frugal...but Thompson has clearly passed up opportunities that could improve this team. This team is starting to gain the depth necessary to make a playoff push...but we lack capable veteran talent on offense that Elway had in his twilight in Denver.

          The Javon Walker situation really is going to come back and bite TT in the ass. With Javon Walker, I think this Packer team could easily be a contender for the NFC crown in 2007.
          My signature has NUDITY in it...whatcha gonna do?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by The Leaper
            It is comforting to know we have $32M in cap space to spend next year if Favre retires...but still no strong talent at RB or TE.
            If Favre retires after this season we may not be strong at QB,RB,FB or TE.

            TT has taken three seasons to re-build the 'D' into something resembling decent.

            With Favre out and Rodgers in (and hypothetically performing as well as Favre) did last season and it takes TT two more seasons to re-tool the 'O' then the question that begs to be answered:

            Are we a playoff bound team by 2010? A team that can go deep in the playoffs and possibly get to a Super Bowl?

            Three years from now will players such as CB's Al Harris and Charles Woodson, tackles Clifton and Tauscher and DT Pickett be able to get us to the playoffs or be out or on their way out?

            I believe that TT has to do more than just draft very well to get our team at the level we deserve as Packer fans.
            ** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
            ** To download Jesus Loves Me ring tones, you'll need a cell phone mame
            ** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
            ** Rather than love, money or fame - give me TRUTH: Henry D. Thoreau

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            • #7
              13.3 mil below the cap and we have no RB. I still think that TT thought he was going to get Lynch in the draft which is why he let Green go. I see our running game as being the biggest weakness....and it didn't have to be. Even if we didn't keep Green, there were a few other options that TT could have at least gone to.

              I know, same shit different day, but I'm liking what I'm hearing about the team so far and we are one player away from being a playoff team - that is 100% TT's fault. If he needs to learn how to spend money, I'd be more than willing to help

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              • #8
                Originally posted by The Leaper
                The Javon Walker situation really is going to come back and bite TT in the ass. With Javon Walker, I think this Packer team could easily be a contender for the NFC crown in 2007.
                I really would love to have been a fly on the wall to know the whole story to this one. I mean Javon said that he would retire before ever putting on a Packer uniform. Something happened there. Something much more than just a contract dispute.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by GBRulz
                  Originally posted by The Leaper
                  The Javon Walker situation really is going to come back and bite TT in the ass. With Javon Walker, I think this Packer team could easily be a contender for the NFC crown in 2007.
                  I really would love to have been a fly on the wall to know the whole story to this one. I mean Javon said that he would retire before ever putting on a Packer uniform. Something happened there. Something much more than just a contract dispute.
                  Me too, baby.

                  Some of the guys we have lost, Mckenzie, Walker, were pissed when they left. Neither guy was a brainiac, but they both had the same kind of case of the ass.

                  Shermie and TT have gotten the blame, but I can't help wondering if there is some other reason these guys get so red over their contract & more importantly, the process of negotiation.

                  Brandt or some other gnome that just rubs the guys or their agents the wrong way?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by KYPack
                    Originally posted by GBRulz
                    Originally posted by The Leaper
                    The Javon Walker situation really is going to come back and bite TT in the ass. With Javon Walker, I think this Packer team could easily be a contender for the NFC crown in 2007.
                    I really would love to have been a fly on the wall to know the whole story to this one. I mean Javon said that he would retire before ever putting on a Packer uniform. Something happened there. Something much more than just a contract dispute.
                    Me too, baby.

                    Some of the guys we have lost, Mckenzie, Walker, were pissed when they left. Neither guy was a brainiac, but they both had the same kind of case of the ass.

                    Shermie and TT have gotten the blame, but I can't help wondering if there is some other reason these guys get so red over their contract & more importantly, the process of negotiation.

                    Brandt or some other gnome that just rubs the guys or their agents the wrong way?
                    It's time to look at this because nobody seems too interested in coming to Green Bay of late.

                    Ted Thompson even expressed that he could't understand why certain players turn away from us.
                    ** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
                    ** To download Jesus Loves Me ring tones, you'll need a cell phone mame
                    ** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
                    ** Rather than love, money or fame - give me TRUTH: Henry D. Thoreau

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by The Leaper
                      Originally posted by wist43
                      Fewer and fewer big names are going to be available... this years crop of FA's was very thin - at least at the top. I don't see that changing any time soon.
                      It may not change next year, but things will start tightening up again by 2009...enough that a few good players may become available for those willing to overspend.

                      I'm really at a loss. I understand being frugal...but Thompson has clearly passed up opportunities that could improve this team. This team is starting to gain the depth necessary to make a playoff push...but we lack capable veteran talent on offense that Elway had in his twilight in Denver.

                      The Javon Walker situation really is going to come back and bite TT in the ass. With Javon Walker, I think this Packer team could easily be a contender for the NFC crown in 2007.
                      TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                      • #12
                        Same shit different day

                        We are going to have loads of cap space in 2008; we had loads of cap space in 2007. Flexibility will allow us to spend the loot next year....yadayadayada
                        Heard it before.
                        TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by KYPack
                          Originally posted by GBRulz
                          Originally posted by The Leaper
                          The Javon Walker situation really is going to come back and bite TT in the ass. With Javon Walker, I think this Packer team could easily be a contender for the NFC crown in 2007.
                          I really would love to have been a fly on the wall to know the whole story to this one. I mean Javon said that he would retire before ever putting on a Packer uniform. Something happened there. Something much more than just a contract dispute.
                          Me too, baby.

                          Some of the guys we have lost, Mckenzie, Walker, were pissed when they left. Neither guy was a brainiac, but they both had the same kind of case of the ass.

                          Shermie and TT have gotten the blame, but I can't help wondering if there is some other reason these guys get so red over their contract & more importantly, the process of negotiation.

                          Brandt or some other gnome that just rubs the guys or their agents the wrong way?
                          I guess its time to just blame John Jones for everything considering he seemed to rub everyone the wrong way. Its all just speculation but the Jones incident is one of the weirder things to come out of Green Bay in years.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by woodbuck27
                            It's time to look at this because nobody seems too interested in coming to Green Bay of late.

                            Ted Thompson even expressed that he could't understand why certain players turn away from us.
                            Two words, Woody. Brett Favre.

                            In the past, FA's wanted to come here for a chance to play with Brett. Now, he is nearing retirement, plus we haven't been a playoff team for a few years now. Couple those things together and that is a big reason why we probably will have to overspend in order for FA's to want to come here.

                            We have been a winning team up until TT took over. Yes, I know the mess Sherm left him and I'm not dogging TT on this. But it's important that we get back on the winning track QUICKLY. GB will once again look attractive to FA's if we're a team on the upswing. This year is going to say ALOT about TT & Co. If we are a team that is one or two FA's away from being a legimate contender, we'll have the upper hand in many cases to land that FA. I really think that is why Vinatieri didn't ink with us...just MO

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by GBRulz
                              Two words, Woody. Brett Favre.
                              To be honest...I disagree with that.

                              I think Brett Favre is one of the few reasons guys might actually come to Green Bay. The players realize he hasn't lost it, even if the talking heads prefer to use wheelchair and nursing home illustrations when discussing Favre.

                              I think the biggest factor is the city of Green Bay, which doesn't offer the glitz and glamour of many other NFL cities. For a limited few, that small town feel and nostalgia will be a draw. For most, the bright lights and warmer climates elsewhere will be hard to beat if the money and opportunity are equal.

                              Unless Green Bay is a WINNING team that is a contender to win the conference (which it currently is NOT in the eyes of most) it will almost always be at a considerable disadvantage when it comes to wooing free agents.
                              My signature has NUDITY in it...whatcha gonna do?

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