Favre, Thompson, Rogers. The End.

[Bretsky]

Thompson took over the team that Sherman built and the salary cap problems that Sherman created. He's coming into his third season and more and more it's his team as opposed to Shermans mess.

I'm looking forward to this year when the evidence can be used. I think we have a really good, young team. It should be a fun year to watch Packer football.

I agree; I'm sick of tassling

It's time to get to the wins and losses

Weak one will be a huge test and we're playing the Eagles at the right time with McNabb coming off a torn ACL

[RashanGary]

I agree; I'm sick of tassling

It's time to get to the wins and losses

Weak one will be a huge test and we're playing the Eagles at the right time with McNabb coming off a torn ACL

Most Thompson supporters have one thing in common that I see. We all think the situation Thompson inherited was horrible and we judge him on improvement from where he started. The Thompson bashers or whatever, think he could have and should have fielded a playoff team each year so far. We just have a fundemental disagreement for what is considered progress so the arguement will never stop.

Most everyone agrees that Thompson is on the hook this year. Let's watch the games and see what Thompson has assembled. The lines aren't black and white but they are much more clear than they were a year or two ago. We have expectations this year, all of us do. This season can't start soon enough.

[Green Bud Packer]

I agree; I'm sick of tassling

It's time to get to the wins and losses

Weak one will be a huge test and we're playing the Eagles at the right time with McNabb coming off a torn ACL

Most Thompson supporters have one thing in common that I see. We all think the situation Thompson inherited was horrible and we judge him on improvement from where he started. The Thompson bashers or whatever, think he could have and should have fielded a playoff team each year so far. We just have a fundemental disagreement for what is considered progress so the arguement will never stop.

Most everyone agrees that Thompson is on the hook this year. Let's watch the games and see what Thompson has assembled. The lines aren't black and white but they are much more clear than they were a year or two ago. We have expectations this year, all of us do. This season can't start soon enough.

Well put J.H.
Many Thomps bashers whom I know are Wolf era fans. Guys who didn't give a rats ass about the Pack til the return to glory and then they were driving around with Packer flags on their pickup trucks.
On the other hand most guys I know who were die hard fans during the Starr, Gregg/Braatz, Infante,and so on eras feel Ted has the team going in the right direction.
Only time will tell and noone knows how the season will play out. I"m giving Thompson his 3rd year before I pass judgment on his G.M. abilities and I'll be surprised if I'm disappointed. Go Pack.

[PackerBlues]

It seems to me, that the majority of the people that have a "wait and see" approach when judging the job done by Thompson, consider themselves to be Thompson supporters, not because of anything that he has done so far, but more because of what he may have done, may do, or basically, just because they have faith in him.


Then, there are those of us that judge Thompson by what he has failed to do, and by the mistakes that we feel that he has already made. Those of us that question Thompsons job performance and mistakes and would like to see him held accountable are labeled as Bashers, or haters.


When Thompson dismantled the O-line in 2005, the Thompson supporters claimed that it had to be done. It was the only way. It was not Ted's fault that he had to do it that way, it was what he inherited. I myself, and many others thought that all of that was BS. There are always other options. In this case, some contracts could have been restructured while back-loading others. Its nothing new, and its done all the time in the NFL.
Thompson admitted that he made a mistake by not shoring up the O-line before the start of the 2005 season. So much for all of that unnecessary support.

How about the thought going around that Thompson cannot negotiate a deal? We heard about the trade that never happened with Cleveland. Before that, Thompson was not able to negotiate with Javon Walker either, (nor has he replaced Walker's talent at WR). Thompson ended up trading Javon off for shit. Keep in mind, that Sherman traded his 1'st and 2'nd round draft picks to Seattle for their 1'st and 5'th round picks, to move up and get Walker. Thompson gave Walker to Denver for a 2'nd round pick.
After that, Thompson also was not able to get deals done with Ahman Green or with Randy Moss/The Raiders. Perhaps the real reason Ted dismisses free agents, is because he has no idea how to negotiate a deal.

[Bretsky]

I agree; I'm sick of tassling

It's time to get to the wins and losses

Weak one will be a huge test and we're playing the Eagles at the right time with McNabb coming off a torn ACL

Most Thompson supporters have one thing in common that I see. We all think the situation Thompson inherited was horrible and we judge him on improvement from where he started. The Thompson bashers or whatever, think he could have and should have fielded a playoff team each year so far. We just have a fundemental disagreement for what is considered progress so the arguement will never stop.

Most everyone agrees that Thompson is on the hook this year. Let's watch the games and see what Thompson has assembled. The lines aren't black and white but they are much more clear than they were a year or two ago. We have expectations this year, all of us do. This season can't start soon enough.

This is pretty close to spot on in my case, although I'd modify one thing.

I knew we were screwed in the 4-12 season. The cap ran dry (much of Sherman's fault) and we lost solid players. I thought we were a six to seven win team that year.....then all the injuries piled on and on and we were screwed. Absolutely screwed. But those players would come back from injury next year.....so....

Going into FA with a clean cap and a loot of about 35,000,000 my bright eyes happy plan plan would have involved signing more impact players than Pickett and Woodsen.....such as Hope/Weatherspoon in addition to a great draft.

My kool aide masterplan would have put us in the playoffs and an early exit most likely last year.........a serious contender this year......and Super Bowl next year.....Favre's last year. Who knows how any of it would have turned out; an impatient guy like me can only dream.

Bring on the season !!!


Cheers,
B

[Bretsky]

I agree; I'm sick of tassling

It's time to get to the wins and losses

Weak one will be a huge test and we're playing the Eagles at the right time with McNabb coming off a torn ACL

Most Thompson supporters have one thing in common that I see. We all think the situation Thompson inherited was horrible and we judge him on improvement from where he started. The Thompson bashers or whatever, think he could have and should have fielded a playoff team each year so far. We just have a fundemental disagreement for what is considered progress so the arguement will never stop.

Most everyone agrees that Thompson is on the hook this year. Let's watch the games and see what Thompson has assembled. The lines aren't black and white but they are much more clear than they were a year or two ago. We have expectations this year, all of us do. This season can't start soon enough.

Well put J.H.
Many Thomps bashers whom I know are Wolf era fans. Guys who didn't give a rats ass about the Pack til the return to glory and then they were driving around with Packer flags on their pickup trucks.
On the other hand most guys I know who were die hard fans during the Starr, Gregg/Braatz, Infante,and so on eras feel Ted has the team going in the right direction.

I don't buy the Wolf era only stuff one bit; myself, I suffered through Starr, Greg, Infante, Braatz. I remember when just being respectable against Da Bears seemed like an accomplishment. I attended a Dallas 42-14 asskicking game at Lambeau where our only lead was Steve Odom returning a punt for a TD and we were so desperate Bart Starr then called for an onside kick. But we were so terrible none of it mattered. Nightmares of Alphonzo Carraeker, David Whitehurst, Eric Torkelson, Mike Butler,Barty Smith, George Cumby, Estus Hood..etc....they are there for many of us.

IMO if you are enough of a whack to be posting on a Packer forum board in all probability you are probably a far greater fan that a wagon jumper.

The 96 squad was the first title I ever witnessed; many years of suffering came before that.

[Green Bud Packer]

Focusing only on someones failures would make any man look bad. Write a book on Bill Belichicks tenure in Cleveland and the man looks like a bozo, if you fail to mention the rest of his career. Thomps has keep #4 in a Packer jersey,He brought in Woodson to give the Pack a top tandem at corner.He drafted Hawk. He has put together a top tier defense. The Pack went 5-1 in they're division last season.
The Pack had one wheel in the ditch under sherman and righting the course takes time.
Thats why I'm waiting and seeing for one more season.

[KYPack]

[quote="Bretsky"][quote="Green Bud Packer"][quote="JustinHarrell"]

Nightmares of Alphonzo Carraeker, David Whitehurst, Eric Torkelson, Mike Butler,Barty Smith, George Cumby, Estus Hood..etc....they are there for many of us.

IMO if you are enough of a whack to be posting on a Packer forum board in all probability you are probably a far greater fan that a wagon jumper.

The 96 squad was the first title I ever witnessed; many years of suffering came before that.

Kindly remove big Mike Butler from this list. His career didn't last as long as it should, but Mike wasn't nothin' but a stud.

[Bretsky]

Focusing only on someones failures would make any man look bad. Write a book on Bill Belichicks tenure in Cleveland and the man looks like a bozo, if you fail to mention the rest of his career. Thomps has keep #4 in a Packer jersey,He brought in Woodson to give the Pack a top tandem at corner.He drafted Hawk. He has put together a top tier defense. The Pack went 5-1 in they're division last season.
The Pack had one wheel in the ditch under sherman and righting the course takes time.
Thats why I'm waiting and seeing for one more season.

completely agree; even though I'm not nearly as patient as most, I'm ready to let the record speak for itself and judge from there.

[RashanGary]

Well, PB, We've all gone through this mulitple times. The cap situation was bad. Thompson probably could have kept one of the two guards, I agree with that. He made a mistake. It's part of the job really. Mistakes happen, but long, lingering, expensive ones are the mistakes that usually cost GM's their jobs. Thompson got the OG thing cleared up and going into 2007 it's like it never happened. The Walker situation probably had a mixture of things, some of which were Ted's fault. Walker did come back to play but got injured and from there there was quite a bit of ill will and who knows if Walker was even willing to sign on the dotted line at that point. I don't know too many people that think Thompson is perfect. Acctually, we and he know that mistakes have been made.

I think the good outnumber the bad.

Hawk
Collins
Rodgers
Jennings
Poppinga
Spitz
Colledge
Moll
Woodson
Pickett
Jolly
Jenkins
Kampman
Barnett
Jackson
Harris extend
Driver extend
Crosby
Ryan even looks good now
Jones
We didn't draft Huff


There were a couple mistakes and you can choose to dwell on them. I've gone over the positives many times. I enjoy the conversation, but I don't think there is much that you can say that hasn't already been said that is going to sway my opinion. I don't think much that I say will sway you.

This year is Thompsons first year on the hook for the record. I'm pretty excited to see how things shake out. I'm sure we'll get a better idea of where this team is heading in about a month or two.

[cheesner]

It seems to me, that the majority of the people that have a "wait and see" approach when judging the job done by Thompson, consider themselves to be Thompson supporters, not because of anything that he has done so far, but more because of what he may have done, may do, or basically, just because they have faith in him.

Then, there are those of us that judge Thompson by what he has failed to do, and by the mistakes that we feel that he has already made. Those of us that question Thompsons job performance and mistakes and would like to see him held accountable are labeled as Bashers, or haters.
. . .

I guess I am a 'wait and see' fan. My issue is with fans who continually rip on TT without understanding the move. How many called for TT's head when he drafted Jones? Where are they now that Jones is looking very promising.

From what I see TT inherited a team on a plateau. We could have signed some FAs and still maintained a 9-7 maybe 10-6 and got whipped early in the playoffs. To me, that isn't good enough.

Right now we are sitting with the youngest roster in the NFL. We have rising young players like Hawk, Jennings, College, Collins, Jenkins, Barnett and Kampman. All of these either drafted or a retained FA. Some of these players are going to be stars.

Think about this, if TT had resigned Wahle and Rivera, we would still be short a guard at this point, and we would have eaten up $25M in salary cap. As we only have $15M in salary cap right now, which of the FAs above would you not have liked to keep? And if you say back load the contracts, you are still going to have to pay that sooner or later. And having kept we would not have competed for the SB - there are still too many holes.

And please explain one more thing to me, why do you say TT has an ego that is limiting his judgement? I have seen nothing from him so far other than a humble nature.

[Bretsky]

It seems to me, that the majority of the people that have a "wait and see" approach when judging the job done by Thompson, consider themselves to be Thompson supporters, not because of anything that he has done so far, but more because of what he may have done, may do, or basically, just because they have faith in him.

Then, there are those of us that judge Thompson by what he has failed to do, and by the mistakes that we feel that he has already made. Those of us that question Thompsons job performance and mistakes and would like to see him held accountable are labeled as Bashers, or haters.
. . .

I guess I am a 'wait and see' fan. My issue is with fans who continually rip on TT without understanding the move. How many called for TT's head when he drafted Jones? Where are they now that Jones is looking very promising.

From what I see TT inherited a team on a plateau. We could have signed some FAs and still maintained a 9-7 maybe 10-6 and got whipped early in the playoffs. To me, that isn't good enough.

Right now we are sitting with the youngest roster in the NFL. We have rising young players like Hawk, Jennings, College, Collins, Jenkins, Barnett and Kampman. All of these either drafted or a retained FA. Some of these players are going to be stars.

Think about this, if TT had resigned Wahle and Rivera, we would still be short a guard at this point, and we would have eaten up $25M in salary cap. As we only have $15M in salary cap right now, which of the FAs above would you not have liked to keep? And if you say back load the contracts, you are still going to have to pay that sooner or later. And having kept we would not have competed for the SB - there are still too many holes.

And please explain one more thing to me, why do you say TT has an ego that is limiting his judgement? I have seen nothing from him so far other than a humble nature.

I've seen no evidence that TT has an ego either

Although I must admit that McGinn's most inappropriate question of " "is there enough wisdom in the room" made me wonder if there is an ego there

[GBRulz]

I am still borderline on Thompson. Like many, I think he has a great sense for evaluating talent. I think drafting is one of his strengths. My biggest problem is that he did nothing to address our horrible red zone offense from last year. If anything, without a proven RB, it could have actually taken a step backward. I will judge that after the season, not 1 pre-season game. Being one of the most pissed off people around that he didn't resign Green, that is very hard for me to say

As far as his dealing with FA, or lack of... I guess I would be more upset if we were only 1 or 2 positions away from being a serious contender and he did nothing. Certainly I would like to see him more active than he's been, but I'm not ready to write him off or claim that he's trying to drive Favre out of town type of things. BTW, if you go to Favre's official site, those people clearly believe that. They make our kool-aid drinkers here look like devils!

One thing though, some of you give TT credit for straighting out our cap mess. Come on now...the cap took a huge increase going into his 2nd season here. No teams are really in any cap trouble at all. That is one thing that I refuse to give him credit for.

[PackerBlues]

One thing though, some of you give TT credit for straighting out our cap mess. Come on now...the cap took a huge increase going into his 2nd season here. No teams are really in any cap trouble at all. That is one thing that I refuse to give him credit for.

I have always been pissed off about the O-line in 2005. I have never once bought into the theory that we were just to strapped for cash to sign the guys on our O-line. To me, that was just a cop-out to explain Thompson's desire to get younger by weeding out older players. Did we need to get younger on the O-line? Yes, but we did not necessarily have to do it all at once like Thompson did. I do not think there is any excuse that Thompson himself or anyone else for that matter could give to explain the pathetic line that Thompson sent our team into the 2005 season with. Even after Thompson himself admitted that it was one of his biggest mistakes, people still try to defend that mistake by blaming Sherman for supposed cap problems.

By the way, JH, I value your opinion, and I really enjoy your enthusiasm, but showing me a list of guys that we have on our team by the grace of Thompson, really does not mean a whole hell of a lot to me when I look at all of the talent that this team has lost since Thompson has joined us. When I see a winning record from this team, feel free to point out how talented we are thanks to Thompson, because from what I have seen, we have lost just as much talent thanks to Thompson, as we have gained thanks to Thompson.

[RashanGary]

PB, showing me a small list of good, aging players that we lost is far less important than the good, young players we've added.

Now, Thompson did attempt to please his lady with some unconventional ideas I know he wasn't exactly generous with the lube but I also have some vision and I see where it's all heading I think you know what I'm trying to say