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  • #46
    Tank, I did the work to dig this shit up...Please read and respond


    VI. CONCLUSION
    Psychologists who study decision making are sometimes criticized for devising what are said to
    be artificial, contrived, laboratory experiments in which subjects are somehow tricked into making a
    mistake. In the “real world”, the critics allege, people learn over time to do pretty well. Furthermore, the
    critics add, people specialize, so many difficult decisions are taken by those whose aptitude, training, and
    experience make them likely to avoid the mistakes that are so prevalent in the lab. This criticism is
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    misguided on many counts. For example, we all have to decide whether to marry, choose careers, and
    save for retirement, whether or not we are experts—whatever that might mean—in the relevant domain.
    More germane to the topic of this paper, even professionals who are highly skilled and knowledgeable in
    their area of expertise are not necessarily experts at making good judgments and decisions. Numerous
    studies find, for example, that physicians, among the most educated professionals in our society, make
    diagnoses that display overconfidence and violate Bayes’ rule (cf. Christensen-Szalanski & Bushyhead,
    1981; Eddy, 1982). The point, of course, is that physicians are experts at medicine, not necessarily
    probabilistic reasoning. And it should not be surprising that when faced with difficult problems, such as
    inferring the probability that a patient has cancer from a given test, physicians will be prone to the same
    types of errors that subjects display in the laboratory. Such findings reveal only that physicians are
    human.
    Our modest claim in this paper is that the owners and managers of National Football League
    teams are also human, and that market forces have not been strong enough to overcome these human
    failings. The task of picking players, as we have described here, is an extremely difficult one, much more
    difficult than the tasks psychologists typically pose to their subjects. Teams must first make predictions
    about the future performance of (frequently) immature young men. Then they must make judgments
    about their own abilities: how much confidence should the team have in its forecasting skills? As we
    detailed in section 2, human nature conspires to make it extremely difficult to avoid overconfidence in
    this task. The more information teams acquire about players, the more overconfident they will feel about
    their ability to make fine distinctions. And, though it would seem that there are good opportunities for
    teams to learn, true learning would require the type of systematic data collection and analysis effort that
    we have undertaken here. Organizations rarely have the inclination to indulge in such time-intensive
    analysis. In the absence of systematic data collection, learning will be inhibited by bad memories and
    hindsight bias.
    We began this study with the strong intuition that teams were putting too high a value on
    choosing early in the draft. We thought it crazy for the Giants to give up so many picks for the
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    opportunity to move up from the fourth pick to the first one (regardless of which player they chose). But
    we concede that we did not expect the findings to be as strong as those we report. Rather than a treasure,
    the right to pick first appears to be a curse. If picks are valued by the surplus they produce, then the first
    pick in the first round is the worst pick in the round, not the best! In paying a steep price to trade up,
    teams seem to be getting the sign wrong! We have done numerous “reality checks” to see whether these
    surprising conclusions are robust, and every analysis gives qualitatively similar results. So, suppose our
    analyses are taken at face value. Can they be right? This is a big market, after all, with franchises worth
    perhaps $1 billion or more.
    We think that while our results are surprising, they are plausible. TANK We suspect that some teams
    have not fully come to grips with the implications of the salary cap, a relatively new innovation. Buying
    expensive players, even if they turn out to be great performers, imposes opportunity costs elsewhere on
    the roster. Spending $10 million on a star quarterback instead of $5 million on a journeyman implies
    having $5 million less to spend on offensive linemen to block or linebackers to tackle. Some of the
    successful franchises seem to understand these concepts, most notably the New England Patriots, [/b]but
    others do not. Whether because they are smart about these ideas or others, the Patriots have been doing
    well recently, and so have not had high draft picks to use. We can only speculate about whether they
    would trade down if they somehow ended up with one of the earliest and most overvalued picks. But
    notice that if a few teams do learn and have winning records, there is no market action they can take to
    make the implied value of draft picks rational. Indeed, the irony of our results is that the supposed benefit
    bestowed on the worst team in the league, the right to pick first in the draft, is really not a benefit at all,
    unless the team trades it away.17 The first pick in the draft is the loser’s curse.
    The loser’s curse can persist even in competitive markets for a reason similar to why the winner’s
    curse can persist: there are limits to arbitrage. If naïve oil companies bid too much for drilling rights,
    then sophisticated competitors can only sit on the sidelines and hope their competitors go broke – or
    17 We do note that the San Diego Chargers, the team that took Ryan Leaf with the second pick only to have him flop,
    has now traded the number one pick twice. This year they are headed to the playoffs. Lesson learned?
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    eventually learn. Since there is no way to sell the oil leases short, the smart money cannot actively drive
    the prices down. Similarly, since there is no way to sell the first draft pick short, there is no way for any
    team other than the one that owns the pick to exploit the teams that put too high a value on it Finally,
    now that the draft-pick value curve is widely used and accepted in the NFL a team that owns a top draft
    pick and would like to trade it may be reluctant to make a trade at less than “full value”. So, even trading
    down will be hard unless there is a buyer willing to pay the inflated but conventional price.
    The implications of this study extend beyond the gridiron. Football players are surely not the
    only employees whose future performance is difficult to predict. In fact, football teams almost certainly
    are in a better position to predict performance than most employers choosing workers. Teams get to
    watch their job candidates perform a very similar task at the college level and then get to administer
    additional tests on highly diagnostic traits such as strength and speed. Finally, once hired, performance
    can and is graded, with every action visible on film from multiple angles! Compare that to a company
    looking to hire a new CEO (or an investment bank hiring an analyst, a law firm hiring an associate, etc.).
    Candidates from outside the firm will have been performing much of their job out of view. Outside
    observers see only a portion of the choices made, and options not taken are rarely visible externally. And,
    even once a CEO is hired, the company’s board of directors is unlikely to be able measure his or her
    performance nearly as accurately as a team can evaluate its quarterback. In our judgment, there is little
    reason to think that the market for CEOs is more efficient than the market for football players. Perhaps
    innovative boards of directors should start looking for the next Tom Brady as CEO rather than Eli
    Manning.
    Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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    • #47
      Sorry, i am too lazy and incompetent at this moment to read and analysis your source. I will do so when I feel i am ready.

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      • #48
        TANK "I am sick of reading Collins’ crap, so I have decided to write a counter-argument.

        Collins, the poster, likes to think of himself as a football expert but in truth, he is all about sparring crap. In his thread, “A salary cap analogy for those who expect big FA moves,” he fallaciously, ridiculously and illogically compared the NFL salary cap to a middle class family with an annual income of $70,000. He was basically speaking of opportunity cost, the economic notion that sacrifices pertain to decision making. In other words, you can’t have this without giving up that. But to compare the purchase a new Yukon at the expense one’s retirement fund to signing a marquee free agent at the expense of the future cap is just sheerly ridiculous. "

        Massey and Thaler "We suspect that some teams
        have not fully come to grips with the implications of the salary cap, a relatively new innovation. Buying
        expensive players, even if they turn out to be great performers, imposes opportunity costs elsewhere on
        the roster.
        Spending $10 million on a star quarterback instead of $5 million on a journeyman implies
        having $5 million less to spend on offensive linemen to block or linebackers to tackle. Some of the
        successful franchises seem to understand these concepts, most notably the New England Patriots"


        Tank....Even if you won't read though my research you can at least read though this portion. You claimed that one action does not have effect on another. Based on Massey and Thaler, you are incorrect. It did not bother me, but with this finding I think my stance has far fewer holes than yours.
        Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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        • #49
          Collins, I've never "claimed that one action does not have effect on another." In fact, if you re-read my previous posts, I was writing about opportunity cost himself; just from a different perspective. By choosing to draft a rookie over a proven vet, you not only is forgoing experience but also taking a bigger risk. I think the risk of signing a proven vet like Wahle is less than that of drafting Colledge, even if you have to forgo more money for Wahle.

          Massey and Thaler seems to base their theory mainly on money. They did not seem to consider "other relevant factors" like any good economist would. The irony in this is that Massey and Thaler seems to be looking at things from an "accountant" point of view, instead of an "economist."

          I could be wrong, though. I haven’t read their theory yet.

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          • #50
            If you read through the material it relates the money to the performance of the player. I did not include much of their research because it was 59 pages. I can assure you they related the cost of the player to the performance of players picked at similar spots.
            Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by NickCollins
              If you read through the material it relates the money to the performance of the player. I did not include much of their research because it was 59 pages. I can assure you they related the cost of the player to the performance of players picked at similar spots.
              Collins, if you privide me the link to their research, i will try to scan to through it trm and give you a feedback.

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              • #52
                http://faculty.fuqua.duke.edu/~cadem/bio/massey%20&%20thaler%20-%20loser's%20curse.pdf#search='massey%20thaler%20d raft'



                Just so you know all the graphs and charts are at the very bottom of the document.
                Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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                • #53
                  Five teams that did the best in draft
                  Vic Carucci
                  National Editor, NFL.com

                  (May 1, 2006) -- One man's ranking of this year's top five drafts:

                  1. Arizona: It's a luxury when your quarterback of the future, once projected as a top four choice, falls right to you at No. 10. Matt Leinart will get a year to watch and learn from Kurt Warner. Then, with protection from former USC teammate Deuce Lutui (second round), he'll throw passes to an already explosive receiving corps that just got better with the addition of tight end Leonard Pope (Georgia) in the third round. The Cardinals solidified themselves at defensive tackle by picking up Gabe Watson (Michigan) and Jon Lewis (Virginia Tech) in the fourth and sixth rounds, respectively.


                  2. New Orleans: The Saints received an incredible gift the moment the Houston Texans decided to make Mario Williams the top overall pick of the draft. Reggie Bush, the multitalented superstar from USC and by far the best player in the draft, dropped into the Saints' collective lap in the No. 2 spot. From that point on, most of what the Saints acquired could be viewed as a bonus, but they did better than that. They addressed a need by getting safety Roman Harper (Alabama) in the second round. Sixth-rounder Mike Hass, a receiver from Oregon State, is intriguing. The Saints also upgraded their offensive line depth in rounds four (tackle Jahri Evans, Bloomsburg) and seven (guard Zach Strief, Northwestern).

                  3. N.Y. Jets: This team reminded us that there are other ways to greatly improve your offense besides selecting a high-profile quarterback such as Leinart. One is to find a way to provide better protection to the less-than-spectacular quarterbacks you have, and the Jets did that by making tackle D'Brickashaw Ferguson (Virginia) and center Nick Mangold (Ohio State) the fourth and 29th overall picks, respectively. Ferguson will be a dominant force for many years to come, and Mangold should pick up where Kevin Mawae left off as a steady anchor in the middle. The Jets also wisely picked up a developmental quarterback in the second round (Kellen Clemens, Oregon), a highly athletic quarterback-turned-receiver in the fourth round (Brad Smith, Missouri), and Curtis Martin's eventual replacement at running back in the fourth (Leon Washington, Florida State).

                  A.J. Hawk will have an immediate impact on the Packers defense.
                  A.J. Hawk will have an immediate impact on the Packers defense.
                  4. Green Bay: By making A.J. Hawk the fifth overall choice, the Packers got more than a linebacker whose phenomenal playmaking skills will instantly improve their defense. They got one of the great character players to emerge from the college ranks in a long time. Hawk's off-the-charts work ethic no doubt will be contagious. The Packers made two strong additions to their offensive line in second-rounder Daryn Colledge (tackle, Boise State) and third-rounder Jason Spitz (center, Louisville). And they picked up the most polished receiver in the draft in second-rounder Greg Jennings (Western Michigan), who could end up being more productive than any of the wideouts selected before him, including Pittsburgh's first-round choice Santonio Holmes (Ohio State).


                  5. Philadelphia : The Eagles addressed a crying need on their defensive line by making tackle Brodrick Bunkley (Florida State) their first-round choice. Defensive coordinator Jim Johnson will make the most of Bunkley's athleticism and quickness. The offensive line should be greatly enhanced by the additions of tackle Winston Justice (USC), selected in the second round, and guard Max Jean-Gilles (Georgia), a fourth-round choice, both of whom figured to be long gone before these picks. Another nice addition to Johnson's defense is end Chris Gocong, a speedy pass rusher from Cal Poly.

                  Day 1 winners
                  Gil Brandt: New England and Green Bay, but honorable mention also goes to Arizona, Cleveland, Carolina, Baltimore, N.Y. Jets and Pittsburgh
                  Pat Kirwan: Arizona and Detroit
                  Vic Carucci: New Orleans and Arizona
                  Mike Mayock: Philadelphia and Denver
                  Adam Schefter: New Orleans and New England
                  Corey Chavous: Baltimore and Oakland
                  Nick Bakay: Houston, N.Y. Jets, San Francisco, Philadelphia, Arizona, New England and New Orleans
                  "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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