Rodgers

[The Shadow]

Vick's arm is gonna be awesome on the prison football team. He's gonna be a legend - the new Burt Reynolds.

It won't be his arm that draws the most attention.

[b bulldog]

Cutler has an awesome arm. The kid from Cal who was drafted by the ravens a few years back(Boller) could throw a ball from his knees through the uprights from 50 yards. The most overrated stat involving QB's is arm strength. Jeff George probably could still throw it with anybody.

[Cheesehead Craig]

The talk of AR beating out Favre as the starting QB is a friggin joke. I agree that AR FINALLY is showing that he might be a successful QB in this league. His passes are more accurate and decisive, his arm strength is obviously improved, and he probably knows the playbook backwards by heart. Having said all that, his instincts in the pocket are sadly inferior to Brett's. He would be getting sacked two to three times a game IMO. And Favre's arm is still stronger than his even at the age of 38, which is unreal. Favre takes more chances then him, but he has the talent to zip it into triple coverage even at this point in his career. AR is much improved, but I don't see him surpassing Favre any time soon, barring injury. Brett's our man. Those here who want AR in are out of you're minds. We have one of the greatest QB's to ever play the game on our sidelines, and he hasn't lost much these past few years. He still has all the tools to have a great season, and he is WAY more savvy in the pocket than AR. He avoids potential sacks constantly because of his great pocket instincts. I hope AR sits two more years, and Brett leads us back to the SB next year. With our defense, if we stay healthy, it is plausible. Our run defense may end up being top three in the NFL this year, and if our corners stay healthy, we could actually have a better defense than the Bears, because they make plays, but can't stop the run. I'm so excited to watch our defense dominate teams this year. I saw schemes and plays in that Seattle game that I had never seen before. Now that most of our defense is in the third year of the same scheme, the comfort level will allow for more deceit and big play potential. Watching them in that 1st quarter was awesome. EVERYONE was making plays. I know it's preseason, but we are so far ahead of where we were last year at this time, it's very exciting to see.

I don't think anyone said to bench Favre and play A-Rod. I think most are voicing that life post-Favre is looking better.

[Zool]

And Favre's arm is still stronger than his even at the age of 38, which is unreal.

With Vick out, is there anyone in the league with a stronger arm than Favre?

Vick had a strong arm? I thought his arm strength was just average and his claim to fame was that he was really a running back?

Actually Byron Leftwich won the last QB distance competition that I watched. Huge arm on him.

[wist43]

Don't let the "ARod is a bust" camp hear that. Incidently, that camp has been very silent this year so far.

I'm firmly in the AR is a bust camp, and haven't been silent about it.

Not much to complain about in this preseason game though; but then again, I've only watched it once, and didn't pay very close attn at that.

That said, Rodgers had a couple of costly miscues - two mistakes that led directly to 10 pts for the Seahawks. He did make a couple of decent tosses... my opinion of Rodgers hasn't changed.

[Packers4Ever]

True, if Brett has a bad year this year (I dont' think he will), then follows it up with a bad TC and preseason while Rodgers shines, I think it would be GREAT if Favre would just hang them up instead of forcing the Packers to cut him. The fans are not rational and it would be more chaos than necessary. Hopefully Favre has enough wisdom to know when to hang it up.

Do you all realize we're suddenly talking about Brett's retiring and

leaving much more frequently than we were a month or 6 weeks ago?

Even less than that......

I honestly believe Brett would see the signs, and yes, he does have the

wisdom to hang it up.

But I still find it hard to accept.

[woodbuck27]

I'd be fine if Brett comes back next season as long as nobody is listed as the starting QB on the first day of camp until it is earned. In 08, let the best man win!!!! Nobody should have a problem with that.

That would be fair. I think Favre would probably win though.

It may be fair. But in this organization it would never happen. Thompson and McCarthy would have a revolt on their hands. Sure, they may not care what the fans think, but only to a point.

If Fa

vre was playing horribly, they may have an excuse. But I think if they felt that Favre wasn't going to start, they'd find a way to let him know in the offseason. Some people may accuse them of running him out of town, but at least it will be done behind closed doors and there will only be speculation.

Then nothing will change fr. 2004 till this season into 2008.

FLASH !!!!! AN IDEA !!!

Why doesn't TT just simply get down to it and give Brett Favre some real help on offense for 2008? Especially after he defies all odds and plays outstanding with dickall to work with, and in the face of obvious adversity before our TC began?It's going to be a tough ole road this season.Possibly worse than 2004 when you consider the gains we are seeing on 'D'.

TT had such an excellent opportunity to get us back to respectability this season and his agenda is and has been to not support Brett Favre as our QB.

It's damnable obvious Packer fans.

Our offense has clearly been set up to fail this season.The Packers cannot control the game and the clock unless we have a solid running game. Opposition defenses will soon realize that the pass is our only real out on 'O'.

Then. . . lights out Packer fans.

[swede]

Our offense has clearly been set up to fail this season.The Packers cannot control the game and the clock unless we have a solid running game. Opposition defenses will soon realize that the pass is our only real out on 'O'.

Then. . . lights out Packer fans.

Maybe we should just forfeit our games and save ourselves the trouble and embarrassment of watching Driver, Jennings, Jones, Colledge, Spitz, and all the other "dickalls" (whatever that is) failing.

I guess I'd rather watch my favorite team play and hope for the best.

[Brohm]

I think there are a lot of unknown that we have. However, I do not think the offense is set up to fail. The burden to succeed definateley falls on the shoulders of our young draftees. I would say though that the "veteran" presense is there with Farve, Clifton, Tauscher, Driver and Franks. I think we should have kept Green, but it has been shown numerous times that RB is one place on offense where a rookie can make an impact. I hope TT has dug up a gem with Jackson.

[woodbuck27]

The talk of AR beating out Favre as the starting QB is a friggin joke. I agree that AR FINALLY is showing that he might be a successful QB in this league. His passes are more accurate and decisive, his arm strength is obviously improved, and he probably knows the playbook backwards by heart. Having said all that, his instincts in the pocket are sadly inferior to Brett's. He would be getting sacked two to three times a game IMO. And Favre's arm is still stronger than his even at the age of 38, which is unreal. Favre takes more chances then him, but he has the talent to zip it into triple coverage even at this point in his career. AR is much improved, but I don't see him surpassing Favre any time soon, barring injury. Brett's our man. Those here who want AR in are out of you're minds. We have one of the greatest QB's to ever play the game on our sidelines, and he hasn't lost much these past few years. He still has all the tools to have a great season, and he is WAY more savvy in the pocket than AR. He avoids potential sacks constantly because of his great pocket instincts. I hope AR sits two more years, and Brett leads us back to the SB next year. With our defense, if we stay healthy, it is plausible. Our run defense may end up being top three in the NFL this year, and if our corners stay healthy, we could actually have a better defense than the Bears, because they make plays, but can't stop the run. I'm so excited to watch our defense dominate teams this year. I saw schemes and plays in that Seattle game that I had never seen before. Now that most of our defense is in the third year of the same scheme, the comfort level will allow for more deceit and big play potential. Watching them in that 1st quarter was awesome. EVERYONE was making plays. I know it's preseason, but we are so far ahead of where we were last year at this time, it's very exciting to see.

I don't think anyone said to bench Favre and play A-Rod. I think most are voicing that life post-Favre is looking better.

It's not looking better at the key position for any NFL franchise or QB.

Who seriously believes that we could be so lucky to have a College QB fall what. . . 26 places in the draft, right into the will and hands of Ted Thompson?

Aaron Rodgers has so far to go before he will fall under the category as a legitimate franchise QB it's not likely that he will.

Aaron rodgers has looked terrible against the best players the opposition can offer. He has demonstrated onlt one thing. He's not too bad when not under any heat.

Put heat on him and he busts like a balloon.The evidence isn't in as yet that he'll succeed Favre with any assurance of success.

He looked decent in TC last season as I recall, and it became evident to some fans that he was well on his way to becoming a real winner at QB. He has a long ways to go. If he was ready at the first opportunity TT would make MM start him.

This baloney about TT and MM hiding behind closed doors to spell FaVRE'S FEELINGS OR EGO IS SUCH A LOAD OF CRAP.

It's set up now to take favre out. Then there's Aaron Rodgers and good luck.

[cpk1994]

Don't let the "ARod is a bust" camp hear that. Incidently, that camp has been very silent this year so far.

I'm firmly in the AR is a bust camp, and haven't been silent about it.

Not much to complain about in this preseason game though; but then again, I've only watched it once, and didn't pay very close attn at that.

That said, Rodgers had a couple of costly miscues - two mistakes that led directly to 10 pts for the Seahawks. He did make a couple of decent tosses... my opinion of Rodgers hasn't changed.

Two miscues that weren't entirely his fault. One was a bad snap and the other was a total breakdown of the O-line. And notice that both miscues was with the second unit. The drive he had with the first unit he was fine.

But suprising that your opinion doesn't change at all because even the slightest change would force you to admit you might be wrong about a guy. And of course that means one less reason to be able to hate TT.

[MJZiggy]

Buck, have you SEEN Rodgers play yet this preseason?

[Zool]

Seems to me that a couple decent QB's have "fallen" in the draft before and turned out alright. Some of them even played rather poorly in their first season or 2.

[cpk1994]

The talk of AR beating out Favre as the starting QB is a friggin joke. I agree that AR FINALLY is showing that he might be a successful QB in this league. His passes are more accurate and decisive, his arm strength is obviously improved, and he probably knows the playbook backwards by heart. Having said all that, his instincts in the pocket are sadly inferior to Brett's. He would be getting sacked two to three times a game IMO. And Favre's arm is still stronger than his even at the age of 38, which is unreal. Favre takes more chances then him, but he has the talent to zip it into triple coverage even at this point in his career. AR is much improved, but I don't see him surpassing Favre any time soon, barring injury. Brett's our man. Those here who want AR in are out of you're minds. We have one of the greatest QB's to ever play the game on our sidelines, and he hasn't lost much these past few years. He still has all the tools to have a great season, and he is WAY more savvy in the pocket than AR. He avoids potential sacks constantly because of his great pocket instincts. I hope AR sits two more years, and Brett leads us back to the SB next year. With our defense, if we stay healthy, it is plausible. Our run defense may end up being top three in the NFL this year, and if our corners stay healthy, we could actually have a better defense than the Bears, because they make plays, but can't stop the run. I'm so excited to watch our defense dominate teams this year. I saw schemes and plays in that Seattle game that I had never seen before. Now that most of our defense is in the third year of the same scheme, the comfort level will allow for more deceit and big play potential. Watching them in that 1st quarter was awesome. EVERYONE was making plays. I know it's preseason, but we are so far ahead of where we were last year at this time, it's very exciting to see.

I don't think anyone said to bench Favre and play A-Rod. I think most are voicing that life post-Favre is looking better.

It's not looking better at the key position for any NFL franchise or QB.

Who seriously believes that we could be so lucky to have a College QB fall what. . . 26 places in the draft, right into the will and hands of Ted Thompson?

Aaron Rodgers has so far to go before he will fall under the category as a legitimate franchise QB it's not likely that he will.

Aaron rodgers has looked terrible against the best players the opposition can offer. He has demonstrated onlt one thing. He's not too bad when not under any heat.

Put heat on him and he busts like a balloon.The evidence isn't in as yet that he'll succeed Favre with any assurance of success.

He looked decent in TC last season as I recall, and it became evident to some fans that he was well on his way to becoming a real winner at QB. He has a long ways to go. If he was ready at the first opportunity TT would make MM start him.

This baloney about TT and MM hiding behind closed doors to spell FaVRE'S FEELINGS OR EGO IS SUCH A LOAD OF CRAP.

It's set up now to take favre out. Then there's Aaron Rodgers and good luck.

But thre is no evidence he will go out and be a complete failure, which is obviously what you want. You didn't like the pcik, so you cheapen ANY progress he has made to justify your position.

TT would make MM start ARod if he was ready? ARE YOU ON CRACK? That my friend, to quote Bill Michaels, is a "steaming pant load". Favre has done nothing to warrant losing his job even if Rodgers was ready. TT would have to be completely out of his mind due ti narcotics, a real egotistical SOB, or not even care about keeping his job to do even REMOTELY contemplate that. What an assinine statement to make.

Im happy that Rodgers is making improvements and I am becoming less worried about the QB position after Favre. Because as Brad JOhnson and Trent Dilfer proved, you don't nessecarily need a franchise QB to win a Super Bowl.

[fan4life]

Its no secret that I'm a real fan of Favre's game (love his competitive, risk-taking, dare to win style) and will hate to see him retire. But that day WILL come, and someone else will start under center for the Green Bay Packers. I, for one, am happy to see Rodgers starting to look like he could be the one.

But he's not there, yet.

TT's moves to strengthen the defense are starting to look impressive. And Favre seems to "get" that he's no longer being asked to carry the team by scoring 35 points while also playing for ball possession. If Favre continues to adjust his game, he could be on track for a great year (or two) and Rodgers will ride the bench. But Rodgers is still only 23 years old... time is on his side, not Favre's.