Rodgers

[HarveyWallbangers]

Its no secret that I'm a real fan of Favre's game (love his competitive, risk-taking, dare to win style) and will hate to see him retire. But that day WILL come, and someone else will start under center for the Green Bay Packers. I, for one, am happy to see Rodgers starting to look like he could be the one.

But he's not there, yet.

TT's moves to strengthen the defense are starting to look impressive. And Favre seems to "get" that he's no longer being asked to carry the team by scoring 35 points while also playing for ball possession. If Favre continues to adjust his game, he could be on track for a great year (or two) and Rodgers will ride the bench. But Rodgers is still only 23 years old... time is on his side, not Favre's.

[Cheesehead Craig]

I don't think anyone said to bench Favre and play A-Rod. I think most are voicing that life post-Favre is looking better.

It's not looking better at the key position for any NFL franchise or QB.

Who seriously believes that we could be so lucky to have a College QB fall what. . . 26 places in the draft, right into the will and hands of Ted Thompson?

Aaron Rodgers has so far to go before he will fall under the category as a legitimate franchise QB it's not likely that he will.

Aaron rodgers has looked terrible against the best players the opposition can offer. He has demonstrated onlt one thing. He's not too bad when not under any heat.

Put heat on him and he busts like a balloon.The evidence isn't in as yet that he'll succeed Favre with any assurance of success.

He looked decent in TC last season as I recall, and it became evident to some fans that he was well on his way to becoming a real winner at QB. He has a long ways to go. If he was ready at the first opportunity TT would make MM start him.

This baloney about TT and MM hiding behind closed doors to spell FaVRE'S FEELINGS OR EGO IS SUCH A LOAD OF CRAP.

It's set up now to take favre out. Then there's Aaron Rodgers and good luck.

You see what you only want to see about Rodgers. You have a vendetta against him as you didn't like the pick, and thus blindly criticize him.

Folds under pressure? He has scrambled and made plays when under pressure this preseason. Has he just thrown the ball up in hopes something good will happen? No. Not even close. He is making better decisions and solid reads on where to throw. He has improved and is improving his game. It seems to me you haven't been watching this preseason or camp.

It doesn't matter where he was drafted or how far he fell. It's irrellevant where a player is picked. There are loads of examples of lower round guys excelling. To make this argument is willfull ignorance.

Is it still really an unknown if he can carry the load as a starter? Yes. Because he hasn't done it, nor has he been given the chance. However, he has improved greatly from when he first was drafted and thus, that is why many feel that when Favre does hang it up, we are not totally screwed at QB as many thought we were 2 years ago.

Refusing to acknowledge the good in the kid is hypocritical of you. You were Ryan's champion last year when he stunk. But you just kept saying that he was young and deserved a chance to improve. You refuse to give Rodgers that same courtesy.

[Merlin]

You see what you only want to see about Rodgers. You have a vendetta against him as you didn't like the pick, and thus blindly criticize him.

Folds under pressure? He has scrambled and made plays when under pressure this preseason. Has he just thrown the ball up in hopes something good will happen? No. Not even close. He is making better decisions and solid reads on where to throw. He has improved and is improving his game. It seems to me you haven't been watching this preseason or camp.

It doesn't matter where he was drafted or how far he fell. It's irrellevant where a player is picked. There are loads of examples of lower round guys excelling. To make this argument is willfull ignorance.

Is it still really an unknown if he can carry the load as a starter? Yes. Because he hasn't done it, nor has he been given the chance. However, he has improved greatly from when he first was drafted and thus, that is why many feel that when Favre does hang it up, we are not totally screwed at QB as many thought we were 2 years ago.

Refusing to acknowledge the good in the kid is hypocritical of you. You were Ryan's champion last year when he stunk. But you just kept saying that he was young and deserved a chance to improve. You refuse to give Rodgers that same courtesy.

The pick doesn't matter one way or the other. The fact is the guy has had a silver spoon put in his mouth and hasn't proven anything accept his lack of leadership, his one read stare, his inconsistent throws and his total inability to read even the simplest defense. My god, the guy stares at one receiver until either the guy gets open of the pocket crumbles. I haven't found much "good" to focus on with the guy. You line him up with the #1 offense, he sucks. You give him more snaps in camp, he sucks, etc.

I say open competition for the #2 spot. Make a level playing field. Start the year over, let Martin and Thompson have the same opportunities that Rodgers has had over the past three years. There is NO WAY that Rodgers would be our #2. Todd Bouman could have beat him out and that isn't saying a whole hell of a lot!

[superfan]

The pick doesn't matter one way or the other. The fact is the guy has had a silver spoon put in his mouth and hasn't proven anything accept his lack of leadership, his one read stare, his inconsistent throws and his total inability to read even the simplest defense. My god, the guy stares at one receiver until either the guy gets open of the pocket crumbles. I haven't found much "good" to focus on with the guy. You line him up with the #1 offense, he sucks. You give him more snaps in camp, he sucks, etc.

Watch this video of highlights from the Seattle game.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/774827/returning_home/

The entire video is worth watching, but you may want to turn the sound down so you don't have to listen to the music.

Right before the 4 minute mark, you will see Rodgers throw a near perfect pass to rookie WR Jones, beating excellent coverage by starting Seahawks CB Marcus Trufant, one of the better cover corners in the league. Jones was the real hero on that play, but Rodgers put the ball exactly where the ball needed to be. He did not "stare at the receiver until he got open".

Granted, Jones was his only option on that play, and he did not look to other receivers. Also note the game time (a little over 7 minutes left in the 2nd quarter). Most of Seattle's starting defense was still in, and quite a few GB starters were in too.

The next play (on the video) shows Rodgers throw a TD strike to Jones, again putting the ball right where it needed to be, again with tight coverage, this time beating CB Kelly Jennings, Seattle's other starting CB.

Now go to the 6:26 mark. It's the third quarter, so backups in on both sides of the ball. Rodgers drops back, the Seattle right end delivers pressure, Rodgers pump fakes to his checkdown back, scans the field, more pressure, and delivers a TD pass to Holliday while in the process of being sacked.

The video evidence refutes your statement that he "stares at one receiver" until the receiver gets open or the pocket crumbles. Your claim that he is unable to read even the simplest defense is pure fiction - a QB would never be able to play division 1 college football, much less be successful or be drafted into the NFL, if this were true.

I do not believe that Rodgers is the second coming of anything. I don't even believe he is ready to be a consistent NFL starting QB, much less a good one. I think Joey Harrington is a better NFL QB today than Rodgers is, but I can't agree with you and others that claim he is a complete bust.

I haven't found much "good" to focus on with the guy.

If you can't find anything good in the video clips above, then you can't find anything good about anybody.

[SkinBasket]

Start the year over, let Martin and Thompson have the same opportunities that Rodgers has had over the past three years. There is NO WAY that Rodgers would be our #2. Todd Bouman could have beat him out and that isn't saying a whole hell of a lot!

Are you going to provide the time machine that takes us all to your fantasy world where Martin and Thompson are better QBs than Rogers? Of course, then I guess it would be more of a fantasy machine that also allows for time travel. Either way, I think you may need to reconsider your grip on reality.

[Partial]

Start the year over, let Martin and Thompson have the same opportunities that Rodgers has had over the past three years. There is NO WAY that Rodgers would be our #2. Todd Bouman could have beat him out and that isn't saying a whole hell of a lot!

Are you going to provide the time machine that takes us all to your fantasy world where Martin and Thompson are better QBs than Rogers? Of course, then I guess it would be more of a fantasy machine that also allows for time travel. Either way, I think you may need to reconsider your grip on reality.

He clearly does not watch the games.

[Merlin]

You have no idea what you have in Martin or Thompson. I don't have any idea. I also don't hang on the 5 or 6 good plays Rodgers has made in the past THREE YEARS and say he is good. Laugh all you want and take your jabs. You are all knowing all seeing. Our backup QB's have all had the same opportunities right? For 3 years I have been saying open up the competition and let the chips fall where they may. And for three seasons you sit there and hang on this play or that play. They guy sucks and it shows.

When Rodgers does finally take over, I hope you are as supportive of him as you are now and keep on supporting him his entire career. You know, just like a lot of you have done with Hodge? Hodge made a few good plays last season but yet I don't hear anyone saying they were wrong about him. What I do see is a lot of people bashing the guy, many who were is strongest supporters last season.

Can you say cake-eaters?

Didn't think so...

[cpk1994]

You have no idea what you have in Martin or Thompson. I don't have any idea. I also don't hang on the 5 or 6 good plays Rodgers has made in the past THREE YEARS and say he is good. Laugh all you want and take your jabs. You are all knowing all seeing. Our backup QB's have all had the same opportunities right? For 3 years I have been saying open up the competition and let the chips fall where they may. And for three seasons you sit there and hang on this play or that play. They guy sucks and it shows.

When Rodgers does finally take over, I hope you are as supportive of him as you are now and keep on supporting him his entire career. You know, just like a lot of you have done with Hodge? Hodge made a few good plays last season but yet I don't hear anyone saying they were wrong about him. What I do see is a lot of people bashing the guy, many who were is strongest supporters last season.

Can you say cake-eaters?

Didn't think so...

Guess what? I have been a Rodgers supporter since day one becuase I am willing to give him a chance and refuse to live by an afenda that "Rodgers is a bust" the second he was drafted like you. He has made incremental improvements since day one and that deserves patience. BTW, if Ron Wolf thought like you do, Brett Favre would never have come to GB because his mind already would have been made up that Favre was abust becuase of his first year. Tank god for the NFL that you are not a GM becuase you would dirve your team right into the ground.

[The Leaper]

Tank god for the NFL

I read this and was instantly frightened with visions of Tank as commissioner of the NFL.

[LL2]

From JSO:
Rodgers' passer rating of 105.3 offers a statistical measure of his improved play. As a rookie, he failed to score a point in his first 19 series. In 14 series (80 plays) the last two weeks, he has produced three touchdowns, three field goals and 27 first downs.


I've been a Rodgers supporter and will continue to support him. The good thing for him is that he's going to go through 3 years (possibly more) of QB schools and backup training, which is better than what he could learn in college. The other good thing is that he's only 23 and as mentioned in another place he's younger than most of the QB's that came out the past two years. So, once he gets a chance and if he proves he's good he will still have a long NFL career ahead of him. If we are lucky the Pack could only have two QB's over a 25 year period. To me that would be amazing!

[SkinBasket]

You have no idea what you have in Martin or Thompson.... [gabbly-gook, gabbly-gook, gabbly-gook, crappy crap crappy, suck suck sucky]... many who were is strongest supporters last season.

Can you say cake-eaters?

Didn't think so...

You make so many sound and valid points, where does one begin? Oh, that's right. Bwa-wa!

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There. You're wrong again.

[GBRulz]

Why is TT referred to as T3? Never understood that one....

[superfan]

Why is TT referred to as T3? Never understood that one....

Ted "Turtle" Thompson?

[GBRulz]

ohhh ok. lol ty

Why not TTPBT ?

[superfan]

For 3 years I have been saying open up the competition and let the chips fall where they may.

Why wouldn't it be an open competition? There are no free passes in the NFL. The only reason I can think of for a player slotted higher than a better player on the depth chart is to send a message to someone who is underperforming. Or perhaps the 2nd teamer might not be as good as the 3rd teamer today, but shows more overall upside.

If anything, I think a stronger case could be made to start Rodgers over Favre than to bump Martin or Thompson over Rodgers. I am NOT advocating that - Favre is obviously the starter. But I think the difference between Favre and Rodgers is less than the difference between Rodgers and Thompson or Martin at this point.

Are you advocating that Rodgers should be cut and that the QBs should be Favre, Thompson, Martin?