Rodgers

[BF4MVP]

You see what you only want to see about Rodgers. You have a vendetta against him as you didn't like the pick, and thus blindly criticize him.

Folds under pressure? He has scrambled and made plays when under pressure this preseason. Has he just thrown the ball up in hopes something good will happen? No. Not even close. He is making better decisions and solid reads on where to throw. He has improved and is improving his game. It seems to me you haven't been watching this preseason or camp.

It doesn't matter where he was drafted or how far he fell. It's irrellevant where a player is picked. There are loads of examples of lower round guys excelling. To make this argument is willfull ignorance.

Is it still really an unknown if he can carry the load as a starter? Yes. Because he hasn't done it, nor has he been given the chance. However, he has improved greatly from when he first was drafted and thus, that is why many feel that when Favre does hang it up, we are not totally screwed at QB as many thought we were 2 years ago.

Refusing to acknowledge the good in the kid is hypocritical of you. You were Ryan's champion last year when he stunk. But you just kept saying that he was young and deserved a chance to improve. You refuse to give Rodgers that same courtesy.

The pick doesn't matter one way or the other. The fact is the guy has had a silver spoon put in his mouth and hasn't proven anything accept his lack of leadership, his one read stare, his inconsistent throws and his total inability to read even the simplest defense. My god, the guy stares at one receiver until either the guy gets open of the pocket crumbles. I haven't found much "good" to focus on with the guy. You line him up with the #1 offense, he sucks. You give him more snaps in camp, he sucks, etc.

I say open competition for the #2 spot. Make a level playing field. Start the year over, let Martin and Thompson have the same opportunities that Rodgers has had over the past three years. There is NO WAY that Rodgers would be our #2. Todd Bouman could have beat him out and that isn't saying a whole hell of a lot!

This is the worst post ever....Rodgers is SO FAR AHEAD of Martin and Thompson that's it's not even funny.

Some people just have an agenda I guess..

PS Todd Bouman? Are you kidding me? You just lost all credibility...

[GBRulz]

If anything, I think a stronger case could be made to start Rodgers over Favre

I was almost going to have to kick your @ss... j/k

[Spaulding]

For 3 years I have been saying open up the competition and let the chips fall where they may.

Why wouldn't it be an open competition? There are no free passes in the NFL. The only reason I can think of for a player slotted higher than a better player on the depth chart is to send a message to someone who is underperforming. Or perhaps the 2nd teamer might not be as good as the 3rd teamer today, but shows more overall upside.

If anything, I think a stronger case could be made to start Rodgers over Favre than to bump Martin or Thompson over Rodgers. I am NOT advocating that - Favre is obviously the starter. But I think the difference between Favre and Rodgers is less than the difference between Rodgers and Thompson or Martin at this point.

Are you advocating that Rodgers should be cut and that the QBs should be Favre, Thompson, Martin?

Excellent points Superfan and an interesting perspective. I can't honestly believe that somebody not hopped out would think that Martin or Thompson's play this pre-season suggests they are better than Rodgers.

To be honest, given their play I wouldn't be surprised to see both cut and possibly Thompson signed to the practice squad.

It feels pretty good to have Favre still at the helm and an improving Rodgers backing him up.

[LL2]

Even the national media is starting to recognize ARod...

QB questions clearing up

Analysis of Croyle, Quinn, Clemens, Jackson and more
Posted: Thursday August 23, 2007 12:30PM; Updated: Thursday August 23, 2007 12:57PM

Brodie Croyle is not ready to be the starting quarterback for the Chiefs.
After watching Croyle's uneven performances in the Chiefs first two preseason games, it's obvious he is not ready to be their starting quarterback. Despite having great physical gifts, his questionable decision-making and penchant for turnovers doesn't fit the Chiefs' conservative offense at this time. Maybe his flaws were magnified without Larry Johnson in the lineup, but his miscues are still cause for concern. It is common for young starters to make mistakes as they go through their growing pains, but the Chiefs have a veteran quarterback on their roster in Damon Huard, who gives them a better chance of winning this season.

Brady Quinn should start for the Browns, soon.

Despite missing most of training camp because of a contract holdout, Quinn should take over before long. He outplayed his veteran competitors versus the Lions on Saturday. While it would be easy to dismiss his production in garbage time, Quinn's ability to direct the offense successfully after only a week of training camp speaks volumes about his ability to absorb the offense quickly. Quinn will have his struggles as the starter, but based on the uninspiring performances of his competitors and the offense under their direction, the Browns would be better served with the rookie under center.

Vince Young is likely to experience a sophomore slump.

Young's surprising success as a rookie starter has led to high expectations this season, but after watching him struggle versus the Patriots last Friday, one has to worry about VY. While many will point to a lack of quality receivers or an inconsistent running game as the reasons behind his struggles, I'm more concerned about his inconsistency in the pocket.
For all of the highlights Young generated last season, that doesn't mask the fact he was a 50-percent passer who struggled with accuracy and touch for most of the season. His improvisational skills and athleticism allowed him to be successful with a low-completion percentage, but depending on broken plays to sustain drives is not the best way to direct a pro offense.
Defenses have spent all offseason devising ways to keep Young in the pocket and force him to beat them with his arm. The Patriots used various blitz/coverage combinations to throw off his rhythm and he was unable to make them pay with accurate strikes. Until Young can make defenses pay from the pocket, the Titans' offense will struggle moving the ball consistently.

Joey Harrington will struggle in Atlanta.

While Mike Vick deals with his legal problems, Harrington takes over and will be under a lot of pressure. Harrington's drop-back passing skills would appear to make him a good fit for BobbyPetrino's offense, but indecisiveness and lack of poise have have plagued Harrington before. Watching him direct the first team offense through the first two preseason games, it's clear to me he still suffers from occasional lapses of judgment that result in turnovers. Those moments have overshadowed some of the good things he has done while successfully guiding the Falcons to scores. I am confident Harrington will play well for the Falcons in stretches, but eventually his flaws will cost the Falcons games.

Donovan McNabb is farther along in his rehab than anyone could have guessed.

McNabb's performance during the Eagles' preseason game versus the Panthers surprised everyone. Not only did he show confidence in the pocket, but his accuracy, touch and rhythm made one forget he had missed nine months of action with a torn ACL. His pinpoint passing and willingness to distribute the ball to several receivers opened up the Eagles attack.
I still want to see how he bounces back from a big hit in the pocket and whether he still has confidence in his scrambling ability, but if his performance versus the Panthers was any indication, McNabb will be effective by Week 1.

Kellen Clemens is the next Matt Schaub. (I was hoping we would draft this guy)

Clemens has quietly created a positive buzz in New York. He opened the preseason with an outstanding performance versus the Falcons (16 of 22 for 179 yards with three touchdowns) and followed it up with a solid outing versus the Vikings (6 of 9 for 56 yards with one touchdown and one interception). His performances become more noteworthy when compared to the struggles of starter Chad Pennington.
Clemens has shown better arm strength, touch and accuracy than Pennington during the preseason and the Jets' offense has clicked with him at the helm. While Clemens is unlikely to unseat Pennington as the starter this year, his outstanding start to the preseason has raised his profile. Matt Schaub was the most recent backup quarterback to parlay successful preseason performances into a starting job, and Clemens could be next.

Vikings fans shouldn't worry about Tarvaris Jackson. (I would if I was Rastak)

There has been a lot of speculation regarding the Vikings' quarterback position, but I think Jackson will be fine as the starter. He's a talented athlete with a strong arm and great physical tools, and he'll benefit from BradChildress' emphasis on a running game featuring the talents of AdrianPeterson and Chester Taylor. Defenses will use eight-man fronts to stop the run, daring Jackson to beat them with his arm. Don't be surprised if he does, because he has made tremendous strides as a passer during the offseason. He no longer looks tentative and unsure of his reads in the pocket, and has done a good job of patiently letting the system determine where the ball should go on every play.

Daunte Culpepper is shaking off the rust in Oakland.

Culpepper was cast aside by Cam Cameron and the Dolphins during the summer, but he is quietly rounding back into form in Oakland. After spending his first two weeks trying to learn a new offensive system, Culpepper is beginning to look comfortable in a Raiders' uniform.
He started out a little shaky versus the Cardinals in his first game, but appeared to have better rhythm and timing versus the Niners last Saturday. He worked through his reads quickly and was more decisive distributing the ball to open receivers.
His confidence in his knee is back and his natural athletic instincts are also returning. He did not hesitate to scramble or leave the pocket when pressured and also looked very comfortable throwing on the move off naked-bootleg action. He is not all the way back to his old form, but he has shown more in two weeks in Oakland than he displayed during his brief tenure with the Dolphins.

Aaron Rodgers has stepped up his game.

You bet he has!

Rodgers entered the preseason with questions and uncertainty regarding his ability to succeed Brett Favre, but his strong start should quiet his critics. Rodgers has completed more than 60 percent of his passes with three touchdowns and no interceptions through two preseason games. He is finally showing the poise, accuracy and touch that made him the Packers' first-round choice in 2005.
But most impressive has been the leadership ability he has displayed in guiding the Packers to six scoring drives in almost four quarters of action. Rodgers has been patient enough to take what the defense offers, but h

[run pMc]

Favre is the starter.
ARod is the backup.
Martin and Thompson aren't close to where Rodgers is in being ready to play.

Rodgers has made big strides in his maturity, preparation (remember his comments his rookie year?), and his performance. His stats this year bear that out. Yes, it's preseason, but Hasselbeck (f/k/a 'Mr. August') took some time to figure it out. Some QBs take time...and ARod was not ready last year. I'm skeptical he's all the way ready this year, but he's shown progress/improvement (even against some #1 defenses), and that's encouraging. If it takes ARod 3 or 4 years of holding the clipboard to "get it" and be at least an adequate NFL starter, the time is worth it.

Say what you will about TT picking him, it's done, he's on the team, and I have no complaints about him serving as a backup for this season's team. Rodgers needs to keep improving. When Favre hangs it up, I feel comfortable with ARod competing for the starting job...I do hope TT brings someone else in to compete with him, though.

[Rastak]

LL2, you're cracking me up. He says nice stuff about Arod and it's cool, he says nice stuff about Jackson and he's wrong?


LOL.....I'm not worried yet. I'll tell ya Sunday if if I'm worried actually. Jackson's going to get a little over a half saturday night.

[Merlin]

This is the worst post ever....Rodgers is SO FAR AHEAD of Martin and Thompson that's it's not even funny.

Some people just have an agenda I guess..

PS Todd Bouman? Are you kidding me? You just lost all credibility...

Why is Rodgers SO FAR AHEAD of Martin and Thompson? A point I don't disagree with by the way. Obviously you can't read or chose only the portions of the post that furthered YOUR agenda.

Do you have any idea the points you missed? Do you have a clue? No, I didn't think so. Go back to day 1 with Rodgers, watch how he has been treated, then go back to day one with any other backup we have had since Rodgers and see if they have had the same opportunities as Rodgers. If you say they have or make some stupid statement like "Why wouldn't it be an open competition? There are no free passes in the NFL. The only reason I can think of for a player slotted higher than a better player on the depth chart is to send a message to someone who is underperforming. Or perhaps the 2nd teamer might not be as good as the 3rd teamer today, but shows more overall upside. ", then you haven't been paying attention. When Rodgers was drafted, Nall went to #3 on the depth chart even though he had proved through his performance IN A REAL NFL GAME that he deserved the #2 spot. Then, Nall and whoever the 4th guy was at the time were instantly religated to play pre-season with the #2 & #3 units while Rodgers got snaps with the #1 team. This has continued to this day. No other QB outside of Favre or Rodgers has taken any snaps with the #1 offense on the field in any game. So the competition is level? So they all had the same opportunities? I don't recall any camp news that said anyone outside of Rodgers took snaps with the #1 offense accept a few times this season early on when Rodgers was still out with his foot. And that was during OTA's.

Todd Bouman = NFL Experieince
Aaron Rodgers = No NFL Experience

Therefore Bouman > Rodgers

To think otherwise is naive.

As far as my creditability, I am not the one disseminating a post, taking things out of context without examining the supporting arguments and then making asinine statements without any thought what-so-ever.

You love Rodgers and have no creditable evidence to show that the playing field has been level since he was drafted. But yet someone breaks down what has transpired since he was drafted, shows you where the errors have been and they have no creditability? WOW...

[Harlan Huckleby]

Todd Bouman = NFL Experieince
Aaron Rodgers = No NFL Experience

Therefore Bouman > Rodgers

To think otherwise is naive.

Brady Quinn = No NFL Experience

TJ Rubley = NFL Experience

Therefore?

[cpk1994]

This is the worst post ever....Rodgers is SO FAR AHEAD of Martin and Thompson that's it's not even funny.

Some people just have an agenda I guess..

PS Todd Bouman? Are you kidding me? You just lost all credibility...

Why is Rodgers SO FAR AHEAD of Martin and Thompson? A point I don't disagree with by the way. Obviously you can't read or chose only the portions of the post that furthered YOUR agenda.

Do you have any idea the points you missed? Do you have a clue? No, I didn't think so. Go back to day 1 with Rodgers, watch how he has been treated, then go back to day one with any other backup we have had since Rodgers and see if they have had the same opportunities as Rodgers. If you say they have or make some stupid statement like "Why wouldn't it be an open competition? There are no free passes in the NFL. The only reason I can think of for a player slotted higher than a better player on the depth chart is to send a message to someone who is underperforming. Or perhaps the 2nd teamer might not be as good as the 3rd teamer today, but shows more overall upside. ", then you haven't been paying attention. When Rodgers was drafted, Nall went to #3 on the depth chart even though he had proved through his performance IN A REAL NFL GAME that he deserved the #2 spot. Then, Nall and whoever the 4th guy was at the time were instantly religated to play pre-season with the #2 & #3 units while Rodgers got snaps with the #1 team. This has continued to this day. No other QB outside of Favre or Rodgers has taken any snaps with the #1 offense on the field in any game. So the competition is level? So they all had the same opportunities? I don't recall any camp news that said anyone outside of Rodgers took snaps with the #1 offense accept a few times this season early on when Rodgers was still out with his foot. And that was during OTA's.

Todd Bouman = NFL Experieince
Aaron Rodgers = No NFL Experience

Therefore Bouman > Rodgers

To think otherwise is naive.

As far as my creditability, I am not the one disseminating a post, taking things out of context without examining the supporting arguments and then making asinine statements without any thought what-so-ever.

You love Rodgers and have no creditable evidence to show that the playing field has been level since he was drafted. But yet someone breaks down what has transpired since he was drafted, shows you where the errors have been and they have no creditability? WOW...

You need to quit posting as you make a bigger moron out of yourself with each one. Bouman > Rodgers? Your telling me that a QB who is not even in the league right now is better or did Todd himself tell you that when he was bagging your groceries at the Pick & Save?

[superfan]

Merlin, I hear your frustration about a player essentially getting favoritism based on where he was drafted, and I agree that practice is unfair.

In the case of Nall and Rodgers, my take is that you know what you have in Nall, but you need to give Rodgers reps with the #1s so you can see what he can do.

All across the league you read about players being added through FA and draft who are immediately anointed as the starter, backup, whatever before they even have a rep with the team. The competition in practices and games should determine whether that was warranted.

Overall this is a pointless debate because I don't know what goes on at practices and what the coaches opinions of players are. If they really are playing favorites and have an inferior player higher than another player on the depth chart, then I would share that frustration. I just can't see any good reason why they would do that (other than compromising photos of coaches/GM, ha), and I'm not buying any conspiracy theories.

[superfan]

Brady Quinn = No NFL Experience

TJ Rubley = NFL Experience

Therefore?

Therefore we should immediately sign Rubley, since he is available!

Good one Harlan. LOL...

[Brohm]

All the talk about competition is great, but let's be real here. A 1st round draft pick is going to be given every opportunity possible to succeed (for the GMs job security as well as hopefully real talent and upside). That's why Rodgers was "annointed" the #2. That's why Harrell was penciled in as the starter. Those are the expectations. Only if they fail miserably are they cut/demoted. Look at all the chances Carrol got.

Bouman = No future

Rodgers = Possible future

He needed to be set as the number 2 QB in order to get what little snaps are left over after Farve gets his reps.

[Partial]

This is the worst post ever....Rodgers is SO FAR AHEAD of Martin and Thompson that's it's not even funny.

Some people just have an agenda I guess..

PS Todd Bouman? Are you kidding me? You just lost all credibility...

Why is Rodgers SO FAR AHEAD of Martin and Thompson? A point I don't disagree with by the way. Obviously you can't read or chose only the portions of the post that furthered YOUR agenda.

Do you have any idea the points you missed? Do you have a clue? No, I didn't think so. Go back to day 1 with Rodgers, watch how he has been treated, then go back to day one with any other backup we have had since Rodgers and see if they have had the same opportunities as Rodgers. If you say they have or make some stupid statement like "Why wouldn't it be an open competition? There are no free passes in the NFL. The only reason I can think of for a player slotted higher than a better player on the depth chart is to send a message to someone who is underperforming. Or perhaps the 2nd teamer might not be as good as the 3rd teamer today, but shows more overall upside. ", then you haven't been paying attention. When Rodgers was drafted, Nall went to #3 on the depth chart even though he had proved through his performance IN A REAL NFL GAME that he deserved the #2 spot. Then, Nall and whoever the 4th guy was at the time were instantly religated to play pre-season with the #2 & #3 units while Rodgers got snaps with the #1 team. This has continued to this day. No other QB outside of Favre or Rodgers has taken any snaps with the #1 offense on the field in any game. So the competition is level? So they all had the same opportunities? I don't recall any camp news that said anyone outside of Rodgers took snaps with the #1 offense accept a few times this season early on when Rodgers was still out with his foot. And that was during OTA's.

Todd Bouman = NFL Experieince
Aaron Rodgers = No NFL Experience

Therefore Bouman > Rodgers

To think otherwise is naive.

As far as my creditability, I am not the one disseminating a post, taking things out of context without examining the supporting arguments and then making asinine statements without any thought what-so-ever.

You love Rodgers and have no creditable evidence to show that the playing field has been level since he was drafted. But yet someone breaks down what has transpired since he was drafted, shows you where the errors have been and they have no creditability? WOW...

If you are putting thought into these its downright scary.

Rodgers led a touchdown drive against the #2 defense in the NFL last night.

Ingle had a chance to win the game and folded.