Tuesday Camp Report

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Re: Harrell

Harrell was and is a wasted pick. He was'nt needed. We have plenty of talent on our D line WITHOUT him. Also, it's not like we have any vets there that will need to be replaced. We have OTHER positions in much more need.

If your drafting a player that early in the draft without the intent to have him contribute in a major way, why not draft one of the top CB's and groom him as a replacement for Woodson or Harris?

Harrell had 1 very good season. How anyone can predict a future off of that is beyond me.

Just give it a year or two, when Pickett has lost a step and we didn't resign Williams or traded him. You'll be glad Harrell was drafted, not to mention this kid is only going to get better. You want to know why players don't make it in the NFL? The #1 reason is work ethic, which is something Harrell has plenty of, I don't see how we do miss on this pick.

I forget sometimes I'm talking to some of the same homers that annointed Underwood this years starting safety.

[Packnut]

Re: Harrell

Harrell was and is a wasted pick. He was'nt needed. We have plenty of talent on our D line WITHOUT him. Also, it's not like we have any vets there that will need to be replaced. We have OTHER positions in much more need.

If your drafting a player that early in the draft without the intent to have him contribute in a major way, why not draft one of the top CB's and groom him as a replacement for Woodson or Harris?

Harrell had 1 very good season. How anyone can predict a future off of that is beyond me.

Just give it a year or two, when Pickett has lost a step and we didn't resign Williams or traded him. You'll be glad Harrell was drafted, not to mention this kid is only going to get better. You want to know why players don't make it in the NFL? The #1 reason is work ethic, which is something Harrell has plenty of, I don't see how we do miss on this pick.

I forget sometimes I'm talking to some of the same homers that annointed Underwood this years starting safety.

Well, so far that "work ethic" has'nt been on display. Excuse me, but I think a 16th pick that received millions of dollars could have at least found time to ride the bike or swim or any thing to build cardio endurance.

I also believe that at this point in camp, the rust should be wearing off yet he consistently loses one on one drills to guys who will not make this team.

As for Underwood, I agree, there are some here who love to count on guys who have no consistent proof of production. It's the wishful thinking syndrome.

[Merlin]

I love the eternal optimism:

"I really like what I saw from Harrell in college" - What, the one good season he actually played? Was that two or three years ago?

"It's nice to know they let lazy fatasses with character issues wear #92 at Tennessee. Oh wait..." - Just because the guy is your "best" starting tackle doesn't mean he is any good. White played DE btw...

"so you can further advance your anti TT agenda but Harrell (and Thompson for taking him) will be judged on his whole career." - My Anti-TT agenda? Oh I forgot, I am the only fan in the entire world who thinks 3T is a moron, yup my agenda alright. Won't be judged on his whole career, players seldom are when they are a bust. But then again, it's my agenda and no one else supports the "theory" that Harrell is a wasted pick, my bad....Idiot...

"It's still early (and preseason at that). Give the kid some time. " - He has had a full year to get ready to play. He didn't, how much more time does he need? Two, Three, Ten years ala Rodgers?

"TT drafted whom he thought was the BPA" - With Brady Quinn on the board, Harrell was NOT the BPA by any stretch of the imagination. So much for the BPA theory. That's the same "theory" he used with the Rodgers pick, wasn't BPA then either. You don't fall that far if you are the BPA. But then again, 3T knows all right? You don't question his BPA logic with Quinn on the board? You my friend have no clue what BPA means.

"The #1 reason is work ethic, which is something Harrell has plenty of, I don't see how we do miss on this pick. " - Work ethic? Because he says the right things? The proof is in the pudding and in his case there is a lot of it. You can spout work ethic all day but when it gets right down to it, he is talking the talk but is crawling the walk.

[Zool]

Just plain wow.

[Brohm]

So much for the BPA theory? How many QBs can you have on the field at the same time?

One. We got that with Farve. Add in an invested 1st round pick in Rodgers (yes I know some want to crucify him) and there is no reason to take a QB early. Nevermind that Rodgers was picked because Farve couldn't make up his mind if he wanted to continue playing. Need a commitment or you need to protect yourself, Rodgers was just that...protection.

If you want to help your CURRENT QB now, you definatley don't want to keep drafting his potential replacement, that's one way to sink the team (think Millen with his multiple first round WR busts).

When was Quinn picked again?

I understand completely what BPA is. I also understand that NEED does play a role to some extent (i.e. if Lynch dropped, I'm confident he would be a Packer right now). You can't be totally strict in the BPA philosophy, else you would have 13 QB's and no OL (strictly an example)

[retailguy]

Obviously Harrell made a mistake in not keeping up on his conditioning while rehabbing his injury. Hopefully he can improve his stamina and be more of a factor as the season goes on. The coaching staff is very big on off-season conditioning, and I'm sure they'll have him in an off-season program that will make next year much different.

Right. I really like what I saw from Harrell in college. He has big time potential and a lot of hustle. He's not in shape. He's rehabbing an injury. Next year will be the time to start judging Harrell. If he's sluggish and unspectacular next year, I start talking bust. Right now it's wait and see.

You know Justin, you really ought to keep notes of the things you say about a player. When he was drafted, you were totally on board and said many things that indicated you expected BIG things this season.

Then he shows up out of shape (which makes sense since he only played THREE games his senior year), now, you're backpedaling and saying "he can't be judged" until next season. BS!

The guy is a FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICK. While its shortsighted to expect big things the first year, he ought to be able to show up in shape for the millions of dollars invested in his fat ass.

Swigging the kool-aid and expecting great things next year is fine, I have the same expectations, but being critical with those 'negativists' who question his commitment, talent, and usefullness to this team in 2007 is dirty pool.

Those things REALLY ARE in question right now, and those who have been critical of Harrell since the draft have more and more valid points each day as this fat ass circus drags on.

Face it, whether or not Harrell turns out be the best DT that has ever played the game, or the biggest bust in GB since Tony Mandarich, there are MANY first round picks who would've helped Packers more in 2007 than this guy will.

[Partial]

And while that is fine, playing for 2007 and only 2007 is narrow sighted.

TT picked the guy that will be the best packer for the next 8-10 years. Clearly he likes what he saw out of this guy a lot or he wouldn't have chosen him.

He is out of football shape RG. He does have the best physique of any of the DLinemen, though. Look at his bubble. He clearly knows how to lift and has done a lot of deadlifting. He has fantastic width.

[BlueBrewer]

Wow, someone who doesn't have their nose up Harrell's ass? Jolly wasn't a first round pick as wasn't toughted as being the second coming. Harrell was and he has been a major disappointment. I seriously doubt a year will do anything for him. He has his cash, the rest doesn't matter anymore. Hello Cleduis...wait no, Hunt actually played well before he got paid, my bad...

DO NOT FEAR THOUGH!!

HE IS STILL #1 ON THE DEPTH CHART SO YOU KNOW HE IS THE SHIT~

This is the dumbest statement that I have read all year.

[packrulz]

I think Harrell's been working hard, he's coming off an injury, it's going to take time for him to adjust to the pros. Calling him a bust after the 2nd preseason game is stupid.

[cheesner]

Re: Harrell

Harrell was and is a wasted pick. He was'nt needed. We have plenty of talent on our D line WITHOUT him. Also, it's not like we have any vets there that will need to be replaced. We have OTHER positions in much more need.

If your drafting a player that early in the draft without the intent to have him contribute in a major way, why not draft one of the top CB's and groom him as a replacement for Woodson or Harris?

Harrell had 1 very good season. How anyone can predict a future off of that is beyond me.

Just give it a year or two, when Pickett has lost a step and we didn't resign Williams or traded him. You'll be glad Harrell was drafted, not to mention this kid is only going to get better. You want to know why players don't make it in the NFL? The #1 reason is work ethic, which is something Harrell has plenty of, I don't see how we do miss on this pick.

I forget sometimes I'm talking to some of the same homers that annointed Underwood this years starting safety.

Well, so far that "work ethic" has'nt been on display. Excuse me, but I think a 16th pick that received millions of dollars could have at least found time to ride the bike or swim or any thing to build cardio endurance.

I also believe that at this point in camp, the rust should be wearing off yet he consistently loses one on one drills to guys who will not make this team.

As for Underwood, I agree, there are some here who love to count on guys who have no consistent proof of production. It's the wishful thinking syndrome.

There is 'in shape' and then there is 'football shape'. Every winter I played hockey, and every summer I hiked mountains 6 days/week (it was a part of my job). Each time I transitioned from one to the other, it took me several weeks to get into 'shape.' Although I had low body fat, and was ripped, it didn't matter. Slightly different muscle groups I guess.

I wonder, did you panic about Hawk last year about this time also? He did nothing to distinguish himself in camp or the first 1/2 season. At the least Harrell will be very good - and he has the potential to be something very special.


Deputy Nutz: The tackle from MI was Alan Branch to AZ. He was the 1st pick in the 2nd rd. He was there because HE was lazy. Took plays off and was known not to practice with much enthusiasm. Compare that to Harrell who loves football and is a workout warrior.

[Partial]

I think Nutzy was refering to Gabe Watson who fell in the draft last year.

[Carolina_Packer]

Way too early to make any judgements on this one. He may have been drafted in the first round, but he's definitely a guy more for the future. Yes, we could have said, Ah, we're good at DT, let's draft (insert player here for more immediate gratification), but I don't think TT was lying when he said he had him rated high. Just because his board does not match Mel Kiper's or Street and Smith's Draft Guide, doesn't mean TT is wrong. We have to wait and see how it plays out.

Mel Kiper and Street and Smith and whoever else do not publish guides or post in their websites all the projections they got wrong from two or three years ago. They get to make picks in a vacuum and never get held accountable. TT and staff have to live everyday with the picks they make, and so I'm glad they have their own evaluation methods.

[Brohm]

Funny thing is, Kiper said this guy would have been a top 10 pick "IF" he hadn't got hurt. I honestly had no idea who the guy was, but definately felt better when I heard other teams (Denver, couple others can't remember ) were looking to draft him (I think Denver was looking to trade up a bit too).

[retailguy]

And while that is fine, playing for 2007 and only 2007 is narrow sighted.

TT picked the guy that will be the best packer for the next 8-10 years. Clearly he likes what he saw out of this guy a lot or he wouldn't have chosen him.

He is out of football shape RG. He does have the best physique of any of the DLinemen, though. Look at his bubble. He clearly knows how to lift and has done a lot of deadlifting. He has fantastic width.

Partial, open your eyes and see the BIG picture.

This is not about Harrell, his potential or the future. I agree with what you say about him. I've seen his college highlights, I see his potential, and quite honestly, I'm not really looking at his "physique", I leave that to the female rats, but knock yourself out....

During free agency, when I and others were complaining and frustrated, we were told, "just wait for the draft". We did. Then we draft Harrell, and many of us said, great, but he didn't play his senior year, we might not get much in 2007, and DT is one of the strongest positions on the team. Then, we were ridiculed for that. We were told over and over, don't worry, he'll be ready. Then, he shows up out of shape. We're told, don't worry, by the start of the season, he'll be ready to go, and will displace Williams by week 6 at the latest.

Now, he's still rehabbing, which many of us negativists pointed out, comparing to Gilbert Brown and others as to the length of the rehab and the difficulty and the strength loss... and on and on....

Partial, I NEVER expected the guy to contribute in 2007. I was told countless times I was wrong. Now it looks as if I'm right. Those that told me I was wrong, including, but not limited to you, are now telling everyone that those expectations 'were unrealistic' but somehow, we're still wrong, even though we are probably right.

Just admit that you and others have had to backtrack your overly "optimistic predictions". Sometimes you just get it wrong.

Maybe you'll be right in the long run, maybe you won't, but you ARE NOT right for 2007. He's not going to be the "force" we all hoped for in 2007.

[Partial]

I am still waiting to hear who would be a better draft pick? Jarvis Moss perhaps, but I am getting damn sick of hearing about everybody wanting Olsen.

That guy will be the worst of the first round picks. He was terrible in college, and like Donnell Washingston he will be a workout warrior and thats it.

He cannot block, he is inconsistent, and isn't big enough to be considered a tight end. He plays football like a little 7 year old girl.