Tuesday Camp Report

[Zool]

And while that is fine, playing for 2007 and only 2007 is narrow sighted.

TT picked the guy that will be the best packer for the next 8-10 years. Clearly he likes what he saw out of this guy a lot or he wouldn't have chosen him.

He is out of football shape RG. He does have the best physique of any of the DLinemen, though. Look at his bubble. He clearly knows how to lift and has done a lot of deadlifting. He has fantastic width.

Partial, open your eyes and see the BIG picture.

This is not about Harrell, his potential or the future. I agree with what you say about him. I've seen his college highlights, I see his potential, and quite honestly, I'm not really looking at his "physique", I leave that to the female rats, but knock yourself out....

During free agency, when I and others were complaining and frustrated, we were told, "just wait for the draft". We did. Then we draft Harrell, and many of us said, great, but he didn't play his senior year, we might not get much in 2007, and DT is one of the strongest positions on the team. Then, we were ridiculed for that. We were told over and over, don't worry, he'll be ready. Then, he shows up out of shape. We're told, don't worry, by the start of the season, he'll be ready to go, and will displace Williams by week 6 at the latest.

Now, he's still rehabbing, which many of us negativists pointed out, comparing to Gilbert Brown and others as to the length of the rehab and the difficulty and the strength loss... and on and on....

Partial, I NEVER expected the guy to contribute in 2007. I was told countless times I was wrong. Now it looks as if I'm right. Those that told me I was wrong, including, but not limited to you, are now telling everyone that those expectations 'were unrealistic' but somehow, we're still wrong, even though we are probably right.

Just admit that you and others have had to backtrack your overly "optimistic predictions". Sometimes you just get it wrong.

Maybe you'll be right in the long run, maybe you won't, but you ARE NOT right for 2007. He's not going to be the "force" we all hoped for in 2007.

By this same token, if the kid steps up and becomes a stud this season, will you come on here and say that you're wrong?

I have no idea if he will, but the infighting on this board is getting to me. Not you specifically, but you are reasonable enough to let me post this here without a 64 paragraph diatribe on how big an idiot I am.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

I am still waiting to hear who would be a better draft pick? Jarvis Moss perhaps, but I am getting damn sick of hearing about everybody wanting Olsen.

That guy will be the worst of the first round picks. He was terrible in college, and like Donnell Washingston he will be a workout warrior and thats it.

He cannot block, he is inconsistent, and isn't big enough to be considered a tight end. He plays football like a little 7 year old girl.

As of now, Nelson is much better. Long run? who knows.

[Partial]

I am still waiting to hear who would be a better draft pick? Jarvis Moss perhaps, but I am getting damn sick of hearing about everybody wanting Olsen.

That guy will be the worst of the first round picks. He was terrible in college, and like Donnell Washingston he will be a workout warrior and thats it.

He cannot block, he is inconsistent, and isn't big enough to be considered a tight end. He plays football like a little 7 year old girl.

As of now, Nelson is much better. Long run? who knows.

I haven't heard of Reggie Nelson doing anything. We'll see tomorrow.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Nelson was injured in their last preseason game. High ankle sprain, I believe. Sounds like it's not a day-to-day thing either.

[GBRulz]

Because DT wasn't one of our biggest needs this year, people are going to be down on the JH pick unless he plays his rookie year like a multi-year Pro Bowler. Personally, I don't agree with the pick - I wish we would have traded with Cleveland or done something offensively, but it is what it is. Unless you are Miss Cleo - how can you say if a pick is a bust or not after 2 preseason games? If I remember correctly, I think there were alot of doubts about Hawk early in camp, too.

[Ballboy]

I am still waiting to hear who would be a better draft pick? Jarvis Moss perhaps, but I am getting damn sick of hearing about everybody wanting Olsen.

That guy will be the worst of the first round picks. He was terrible in college, and like Donnell Washingston he will be a workout warrior and thats it.

He cannot block, he is inconsistent, and isn't big enough to be considered a tight end. He plays football like a little 7 year old girl.

According to WSCR and AM1000 out of Chicago, Olsen has caught just about everything that thrown at him(Grossman can't hit the broad side of a barn) So what, he can't block....can Lee.....Harris....Alcorn? From my understanding, Franks is really the only good blocker out of the bunch. I'm not sure where you get the inconsistent stuff from. Saying he plays like a little girl is a little harsh.

[retailguy]

By this same token, if the kid steps up and becomes a stud this season, will you come on here and say that you're wrong?

I have no idea if he will, but the infighting on this board is getting to me. Not you specifically, but you are reasonable enough to let me post this here without a 64 paragraph diatribe on how big an idiot I am.

Absolutely I will. I have no problem at all admitting when I'm wrong. If the kid doesn't step up, I don't think that's a bad thing, hell, he's a rookie and he was injured the bulk of last year. But, all of us, regardless of which side of the fence we're on, have to admit that several people here were banging the rookie drum for the kid. Now, they're backpedaling faster than Michael Vick.

But, as you know, I've taken an extreme amount of flak for my lack of optimism related to the 2007 season. While it is still way early, there are glimpses that I wasn't such a damn fool after all.

I don't intend to gloat, because gloating means the Packers suck this year, and I'll NEVER enjoy that, but I'm going to "gently" try to point out where I was accurate.

There will be no lack of people pointing out if I got it wrong.... and I'll be here acknowledging that too if it happens.

[Brohm]

However Harrell turns out, I definatley think it is a good idea to build and maintain depth in the trenches. Our lack there of is what ultimately led to our demise. I think Harrell and Barbre are just that type of pick: to maintain what is and/or becoming a strength on this team. A good OL=good rushing=opens up the passing game. A good DL=run stuffing/pass rush= takes the pressure off the CBs=more defensive playmaking opportunities. All starts in the trenches.

[Partial]

I am still waiting to hear who would be a better draft pick? Jarvis Moss perhaps, but I am getting damn sick of hearing about everybody wanting Olsen.

That guy will be the worst of the first round picks. He was terrible in college, and like Donnell Washingston he will be a workout warrior and thats it.

He cannot block, he is inconsistent, and isn't big enough to be considered a tight end. He plays football like a little 7 year old girl.

According to WSCR and AM1000 out of Chicago, Olsen has caught just about everything that thrown at him(Grossman can't hit the broad side of a barn) So what, he can't block....can Lee.....Harris....Alcorn? From my understanding, Franks is really the only good blocker out of the bunch. I'm not sure where you get the inconsistent stuff from. Saying he plays like a little girl is a little harsh.

It's one thing to catch balls in practice. He won several best hands competitions before the draft, I don't question his hands. I question his love of the game and concentration because he had a lot of drops and very little production at tight end U. He is a big receiver essentially.

He cannot block. He is inconsistent during games. He is a player I am very glad that Bears wasted a pick on.

He climbed draft boards big time because he is fast. I would expect a wide receiver to run a 4.5 in workouts, personally. He isn't tall, or thick.

Donald Lee has been surprisingly good at blocking this pre-season so far. I'm not concerned about that. However, Donald Lee was a player we picked up after he was cut from another team. If Olson only turns out to be as good as Lee he was drafted far too high and a wasted pick.

[Brandon494]

You guys are so quick to judge. Already some of you idiots are saying Harrell is a bust and he has not even played one regular season game yet. How about you wait until the guy actually gets into shape and has a few games under his belt before you start pulling the Jamall Reynolds card on him.

[Zool]

By this same token, if the kid steps up and becomes a stud this season, will you come on here and say that you're wrong?

I have no idea if he will, but the infighting on this board is getting to me. Not you specifically, but you are reasonable enough to let me post this here without a 64 paragraph diatribe on how big an idiot I am.

Absolutely I will. I have no problem at all admitting when I'm wrong. If the kid doesn't step up, I don't think that's a bad thing, hell, he's a rookie and he was injured the bulk of last year. But, all of us, regardless of which side of the fence we're on, have to admit that several people here were banging the rookie drum for the kid. Now, they're backpedaling faster than Michael Vick.

But, as you know, I've taken an extreme amount of flak for my lack of optimism related to the 2007 season. While it is still way early, there are glimpses that I wasn't such a damn fool after all.

I don't intend to gloat, because gloating means the Packers suck this year, and I'll NEVER enjoy that, but I'm going to "gently" try to point out where I was accurate.

There will be no lack of people pointing out if I got it wrong.... and I'll be here acknowledging that too if it happens.

You've taken maybe more than your fair share, but you've given out too. I guess that what happens when you fight the good fight.

I can't get a good feel for this team. Last year I guessed 7-9 but thought I was probably a game high. This year I want to say 9-7, but again I think I might be shooting too high by 2 games. 9-7 wouldnt shock me in the least, but neither would 7-9.

Hell in the NFC 9-7 might just get you a wild card game. I don't care who you are or how down you are on the Pack the last couple seasons, a WC game would wipe out a ton of bad taste.

[Partial]

I am thinking 10-6. With their monsterous schedule that will turn out to be pretty damn good.

[Zool]

You guys are so quick to judge. Already some of you idiots are saying Harrell is a bust and he has not even played one regular season game yet. How about you wait until the guy actually gets into shape and has a few games under his belt before you start pulling the Jamall Reynolds card on him.

My point is made for me. People see all the arguing(not heated discussions) and name calling and think "nothing much to see here".

[Zool]

I am thinking 10-6. With their monsterous schedule that will turn out to be pretty damn good.

Partial if they go 10-6 you can spank my ass and call me Betty. Then at least you can stop asking me to let you do it.

[retailguy]

I am thinking 10-6. With their monsterous schedule that will turn out to be pretty damn good.

Partial if they go 10-6 you can spank my ass and call me Betty. Then at least you can stop asking me to let you do it.

10-6 would be a great record even with a weak schedule which they don't have. that is beyond my wildest dreams.