Winners and Losers quick Take

[Brohm]

Indeed that special back that Elway got was a 6th (?) round pick as well. Here's to hoping BJack can get some magic going.

Hell, even AG was a 3rd.

[woodbuck27]

Can't believe I'm saying this but I agree with Packnut.

Defense looks lights out and passing game decent (pray DD is out only short while) but the running game has been disappointing to say the least. Only bright spot has been the ability to push the one yarders into the end zone for six.

but of course there is the Morency factor still in the wings?

Yea . . .right.

We have to be really patient for sure with B. Jackson as he looks lost to date. He's a rookie!!

C. White is looking decent against the oppositions subs.It's time to start him.

The real concern is again our OL that just isn't up to snuff in this TC. Is the ZBS going to be the answer?

Size and talent (speed and scheme) against us will destroy us.

We must run the ball or Favre will be called upon to throw the ball 40+ times avg. per game and that spells lights out. Too much heat on our evolving 'D'. The 'D' will get worn down.

A house of cards.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Re: Run Game

If you read the interviews from Jax players after the game, it was clear they did'nt do any game-planning for GB. All the teams we play early on have good to great run D's. They will game-plan.

This is true. The converse is also true. McCarthy said the Packers didn't do any game-planning for Jacksonville.

[swede]

I'm glad that Jackson has gotten as much time as he has with the first string. But Morency has yet to come back. Perhaps he will show better vision and a little quicker cut than Brandon Jackson and will regain his starting job by the time we get to the third or fourth game.

[Packnut]

Re: Run Game

If you read the interviews from Jax players after the game, it was clear they did'nt do any game-planning for GB. All the teams we play early on have good to great run D's. They will game-plan.

This is true. The converse is also true. McCarthy said the Packers didn't do any game-planning for Jacksonville.

My point was on the defensive side. Both teams were vanilla on defense, but running the ball is running the ball, game plan or not and we could'nt. Had the same problem against the Steeler first string. Seattle is not a top run defense and it showed.

I watched the 1st half again and anyone who expects us to improve much over last season is'nt paying attention as far as the run game goes. Jackson is very tentative and it's allowing backside pressure. Of course the reason he's tentative is because there ain't no damn hole to run through!

[Fritz]

I'm concerned about the lack of a running game, to be sure. Jackson is okay, but that's all I see so far.

Having said that, I would also recall to people the Sherman teams which had fantastic running games and passing attacks. Favre would march 'em down, get it into the end zone, everybody in Green Bay would be cheering, and then, thirty-eight seconds later, Daunte Culpepper or somebody would be zipping a TD pass into the end zone on the other end of the field...yes, Favre gets frustrated with these young guns, but I imagine he used to get frustrated with the old (lack of) defense.

IF this defense can be tough, then Favre won't have to do so much. Of course, that offense is not capable of much at this point, but I think that it will improve, if only by small amounts.

It might be fun to watch the defense this year, and agonizing to watch the offense.

[Fritz]

Whoa, wait a sec - after typing the bit about "fantastic running and passing" or whatever I wrote, I remembered something:

Tom Rossley. Wasn't there a mighty amount of bitching about his play calling? Hmm. Maybe even I am capable of romanticizing the Sherman offenses....

[Deputy Nutz]

I tell you some are you are just fucking nuts. I watched that game three or four time with the help of DVR, Brandon Jackson couldn't do shit when the offensive line, especially Colledge, Spitz, and Wells are spending all damn day in their own backfield because they were being out classed by the Jacksonville tackles. Clifton is in mid preseason form, meaning in all regards besides protecting Favre on passing downs, he is making sure he isn't going to get injured. He made almost no effort at the second level last night doing his best staying away from piles.

Jackson isn't superman and neither was Green, sure Green did a good job at breaking tackles, but that was once he was past the line of scrimmage, very few backs are able to break tackles and gain significant yards when they are hit at the line of scrimmage or before.

Jackson was doing his best simply not to lose yards when he had offensive linemen being pushed off the line of scrimmage, the zone blocking scheme will not work at all if linemen can't at least hold the point of attack.

Harris didn't play great, but he gave up only two passes and although he was burnt on one or two plays the ball was over thrown, and I don't know if that was QB error, or maybe Harris got a really good jam and disrupted the route, either way it goes down as an incompletion.

Culver got no help from his linebacker on that touchdown, but the simple fact was he was out of position against a bigger receiver to do anything to disrupt the completion, He might make the team over Mannuel, but if it comes down between him and Rouse he is a goner.

One more time, I am sick of people comparing Jackson to Ahman Green. First off, Green was in his 2nd year when he came to the Packers, and really he hit his stride in his fifth year. Green came into the league weighing 212 pounds, some said that he was too small to be an every down back in the league, and not to mention he had a bit of a problem holding on to the football. Green matured and got bigger and stronger throughout his years in the league. Jackson wasn't drafted to equal Green in his rookie year, very few rookies have that expectation to be drafted and come in and replace a pro bowl caliber running back that is the all time leading rusher for your franchise. Jackson along with the Packers will be more than lucky if he is able to accomplish what Green did while in Green Bay, but the fact is he is still a rookie, and a young rookie at that coming out as a junior. Jackson may have attended the same college and may at time may be favorably compared to Green's slashing running style, but as of right now thats it. Jackson has a lot to prove in this league, but one thing he does not is that he is already and equal to Ahman Green.

[RashanGary]

I think you're going to see a different outcome when the preseason is over and the cut blocking begins. It looked bad last night, but on a regular season night, they would have been cutting the two prowbowl DT's instead of trying to go belly to belly.

[Partial]

I think you're going to see a different outcome when the preseason is over and the cut blocking begins. It looked bad last night, but on a regular season night, they would have been cutting the two prowbowl DT's instead of trying to go belly to belly.

You don't cut the guy you take on face to face. That wouldn't really work.

What they want to do is get a push back and get into space, go and occupy a linebacker, and cut down the pursuing defenders.

If they just straight up went and cut down the tackles head to head without holding the point before runner advances past them, who would occupy the linebackers and set-up blocking?

[Deputy Nutz]

Partial, you can cut a defensive tackle with the center, or if you want to cut the nosetackle, you can you use the backside quard.

[Deputy Nutz]

Ingle Martin, Most likely the Packers are going to cut him after his performance tonight. He didn't have a lot of time but he threw three passes with one of them being an interception that was returned for a touchdown. He looked uncomfortable in the pocket and didn't seem to be able to create anything on his own. The Packers will most likely part with Martin, and either sign another QB or sign Paul Thompson to the practice squad.

He should be cut why? Because he forced a bad throw? If so, cut Favre as well. He looked uncomfortable in the pocket? Cut Rodgers as well. He didn't seem to be able to create anything on his own? Cut Rodgers as well. Typical, you rate a guy who has always been thrown in with the 2nd and 3rd teams far more harshly then you would ever rate Rodgers. Rodgers looked okay with the starters (for the first time in a very long time). He threw the ball well save one pass that should have been picked off (the first one where Rodgers never read the safety per usual). Other then that, he stared down his primary receiver as usual, didn't feel the pressure as usual, never really stepped up in the pocket to avoid pressure as usual and looked uncomfortable in the pocket. This was just with the 1st team offense. Rodgers looked like crap with the 2nd string as he always does. He didn't create anything on his own, he looked uncomfortable in the pocket. So you let one QB off the hook why? Oh yeah, because the announcers said that teams are starting to go with 2 QB's instead of 3 and that McCarthy was quoted as saying that they will keep the best 53 players basically regardless of their positions. I think you need to step away from the kool-aid.

Don't you hate it when you go on and on and the next day you're proved to be a rambling idiot? Just fucking with ya, your not an idiot.

[LEWCWA]

funny stuff

[Fritz]

It's true that Jackson had little if any room. I'm not saying I think he's awful. It's just that I'm waiting to see that burst, or that tackle-breaking ability, on a few plays. Maybe
Ahman Green did spoil me. Maybe I have to think more Edgar Bennett.

[cpk1994]

Whoa, wait a sec - after typing the bit about "fantastic running and passing" or whatever I wrote, I remembered something:

Tom Rossley. Wasn't there a mighty amount of bitching about his play calling? Hmm. Maybe even I am capable of romanticizing the Sherman offenses....

Not really, Rossley falls under the old saying, "EVen a blind squirrel finds a nut once".