ATARI playing a good Game

[4and12to12and4]

Way too much criticism of Manuel. Maybe he isn't capable of deep coverage, that's not a fact yet. He may have just been in the wrong places due to learning a new system, but Manuel made many a tackle at or near the line of scrimmage stopping big plays when backers and d-linemen weren't in their gaps. He's a hard hitter too. I haven't given up on him yet.

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Re: ATARI playing a good Game

I like this quote. I'm a big believer in hitting hard on defense. If you knock a guys head off one play, he's shook up for the whole series. If you knock a guy around for the first half, he becomes less of a player for the whole second half. Hitting and physical play is one of the biggest keys of defense.

I agree with this logic. However, it is flawed. It hurts a hell of a lot to tackle a player. I would reckon that delivering a big hit hurts the defender close to as much if not more pain than the person receiving the blow.

[Bossman641]

Re: ATARI playing a good Game

I like this quote. I'm a big believer in hitting hard on defense. If you knock a guys head off one play, he's shook up for the whole series. If you knock a guy around for the first half, he becomes less of a player for the whole second half. Hitting and physical play is one of the biggest keys of defense.

I agree with this logic. However, it is flawed. It hurts a hell of a lot to tackle a player. I would reckon that delivering a big hit hurts the defender close to as much if not more pain than the person receiving the blow.

Not quite. There was a SI cover story a few weeks back about big hits in the NFL. There were multiple quotes from players talking about how on big hits you barely feel a thing. They say it's almost like going right through the guy.

Don't know if you play golf or not, but I'd make an analogy to that. When you pure a ball, especially with a blade you almost don't even feel it.

I'd imagine it's the same thing with a big hit. When you stick someone, I bet it doesn't hurt nearly as much as you would imagine. Of course, if the form is incorrect and your leading with your head I'm sure your neck feels a little creeky in the morning.

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Re: ATARI playing a good Game

I like this quote. I'm a big believer in hitting hard on defense. If you knock a guys head off one play, he's shook up for the whole series. If you knock a guy around for the first half, he becomes less of a player for the whole second half. Hitting and physical play is one of the biggest keys of defense.

I agree with this logic. However, it is flawed. It hurts a hell of a lot to tackle a player. I would reckon that delivering a big hit hurts the defender close to as much if not more pain than the person receiving the blow.

Not quite. There was a SI cover story a few weeks back about big hits in the NFL. There were multiple quotes from players talking about how on big hits you barely feel a thing. They say it's almost like going right through the guy.

Don't know if you play golf or not, but I'd make an analogy to that. When you pure a ball, especially with a blade you almost don't even feel it.

I'd imagine it's the same thing with a big hit. When you stick someone, I bet it doesn't hurt nearly as much as you would imagine. Of course, if the form is incorrect and your leading with your head I'm sure your neck feels a little creeky in the morning.

If you get the perfect tackle I could imagine it not hurting much.

But running at something full speed spearing into their chest while they're moving full speed isn't exactly comfy. There is a ton of momentum and force from both people.

Tackling hurts. That's why a lot of people are bad at it.

Try this: Get a friend and get two of those cheap exercise balls. They're like 3 dollars a piece at Sears. Run full speed at eachother holding the balls and slam into eachother. You'll feel a hell of lot of impact but it won't hurt too much because the balls are squishy. Then, imagine it without the ball. It would hurt like hell.

[Merlin]

Way too much criticism of Manuel. Maybe he isn't capable of deep coverage, that's not a fact yet. He may have just been in the wrong places due to learning a new system, but Manuel made many a tackle at or near the line of scrimmage stopping big plays when backers and d-linemen weren't in their gaps. He's a hard hitter too. I haven't given up on him yet.

Way too much? You mean like everyone jumping on the "Cut Atari" bandwagon after the first pre-season game? Our defense is pretty vanilla and when the CB's and other starting safety aren't sure they want to line up with a guy, I think the criticism the guy has gotten in this forum is more then warranted. He hasn't shown anything in the time he has been here and he is tied with basically a rookie for the starting job with only basically rookies to compete for the starting job. I would say there isn't nearly enough criticism for the guy based on what he was signed for and we were led to believe he was by 3T.

[Scott Campbell]

Re: ATARI playing a good Game

Not quite. There was a SI cover story a few weeks back about big hits in the NFL. There were multiple quotes from players talking about how on big hits you barely feel a thing. They say it's almost like going right through the guy.

Tis better to give that to receive.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Re: ATARI playing a good Game

I like this quote. I'm a big believer in hitting hard on defense. If you knock a guys head off one play, he's shook up for the whole series. If you knock a guy around for the first half, he becomes less of a player for the whole second half. Hitting and physical play is one of the biggest keys of defense.

I agree with this logic. However, it is flawed. It hurts a hell of a lot to tackle a player. I would reckon that delivering a big hit hurts the defender close to as much if not more pain than the person receiving the blow.

Not quite. There was a SI cover story a few weeks back about big hits in the NFL. There were multiple quotes from players talking about how on big hits you barely feel a thing. They say it's almost like going right through the guy.

Don't know if you play golf or not, but I'd make an analogy to that. When you pure a ball, especially with a blade you almost don't even feel it.

I'd imagine it's the same thing with a big hit. When you stick someone, I bet it doesn't hurt nearly as much as you would imagine. Of course, if the form is incorrect and your leading with your head I'm sure your neck feels a little creeky in the morning.

If you get the perfect tackle I could imagine it not hurting much.

But running at something full speed spearing into their chest while they're moving full speed isn't exactly comfy. There is a ton of momentum and force from both people.

Tackling hurts. That's why a lot of people are bad at it.

Try this: Get a friend and get two of those cheap exercise balls. They're like 3 dollars a piece at Sears. Run full speed at eachother holding the balls and slam into eachother. You'll feel a hell of lot of impact but it won't hurt too much because the balls are squishy. Then, imagine it without the ball. It would hurt like hell.

I played football for 9 or 10 years in my life. If you tackle in the proper form you hardly feel it, it's the same as laying a crack-back block on somebody. Think Sapp felt anything when he obliterated Clifton's pelvis? He put all his force and weight in to the act of hitting Clifton, I'm no physics major but I'm sure there are laws there that would show Sapp didn't feel much from the impact.

The exception to this for me was always hitting someone helmet-to-helmet, no matter how big of a hit you laid It was always a head-ringer for both.