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  • #16
    Monday, August 27, 2007
    BY MIKE GARAFOLO
    Star-Ledger Staff
    Tom Coughlin has many critics when it comes to his coaching style and on-field decisions. But there's no question he can spin a glaring weakness on his team with a little coachspeak.

    He tried again yesterday when asked about the Giants' two kickers missing a combined three field goals Saturday night against the Jets.

    "The one thing I will say as you try to build a case here against the kickers is the ball was struck well," Coughlin said on a conference call with reporters. "We were errant with the location and accuracy, but the ball was struck well."

    All of you struggling golfers feel free to use that one next weekend -- courtesy of Coughlin -- when you crush a drive 225 yards into the thickest tree line on the course.

    And then give yourself a free drop in the fairway.

    Fact is, the Giants have a problem with their kicking situation. With Jay Feely in Miami after signing with the Dolphins in March, Lawrence Tynes and Josh Huston haven't done much to win a job.

    Yes, Tynes' missed field goal from 43 yards was partly the result of a bad snap from Jay Alford and a hold by backup punter Cory Ohnesorge that left the laces inside instead of facing outward. But Tynes, who made a 40-yarder, missed his first attempt wide right from 40 yards. Huston also shanked his wide right from 42.

    Combine Saturday's performance with only one touchback in 11 kickoffs combined this preseason, plus plenty of missed field goals during training camp in Albany and, well, Huston (and Tynes), we have a problem.

    "I missed it. That's the bottom line. You've got to put it through the pipes," Huston, who made field goals of 50 and 30 yards last week against the Ravens, said of his miss on Saturday.

    Said Tynes: "I thought I did what I could with what was given to me (on Saturday) and what's been given to us all camp. We don't get near the work that other guys get. But then again, I'm making excuses. We've got to make the kick."

    Coughlin indicated the team won't bring in any veterans for a tryout this week because the team has only two days of practice before Thursday's preseason finale in New England.

    But that doesn't mean the Giants won't scan the waiver wire, or that Jerry Reese won't make his third trade since being named general manager in January. (Reese acquired Tynes from the Chiefs in May for a conditional seventh-round pick, which the team won't have to send Kansas City's way if Tynes doesn't make the team.)

    The Packers recently called the Giants to offer either one of their kickers, Mason Crosby or Dave Rayner, for a low draft pick, according to someone familiar with the discussions between the teams. The person, who requested anonymity because trade talks could pick up in the future, said the Giants told Green Bay they were comfortable with their kicking situation.

    That was before Saturday night. The Giants could choose to wait for the Packers to cut Crosby or Rayner, as well as a few other teams to release kickers before the season.

    Or maybe Tynes and Huston will quickly turn things around now that two-a-day practices are over and they can spend more time before and after practice on field goals.

    "I certainly was disappointed because the nine points were the difference makers," Coughlin said of the Giants' 20-12 loss. "But hopefully we can improve upon that."

    Notes: CB E.J. Underwood, a player Coughlin said the team wanted to "take a long, hard look at" on Saturday night, broke his jaw one year after a shoulder injury against the Jets ended his rookie season. Underwood, who suffered the injury on a punt return, will undergo surgery and will likely be placed on injured reserve....

    LB Kawika Mitchell, who strained his groin on Saturday, "had some strength" yesterday, according to Coughlin. "Hopefully that's going to be something we can control," the coach added. With Mitchell likely out and LB Gerris Wilkinson recovering from a knee injury suffered early in camp, Reggie Torbor will be the starter on the weak side for now.

    Mike Garafolo may be reached at mgarafolo@starledger.com

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Scott Campbell
      Originally posted by Patler
      How many times in the last 10 years has a team had two decent kickers at the same time?

      I have no idea. It looks like there may be no precedent.

      But I think our ability to get something in return has very little to do with Ted's abilities as a trader. I think it has much more to do with other teams desperation for a kicker.
      I agree. JSO had an article about a week ago or so that said the odd thing was that no team was really desperate for a kicker this year. Of course, one or two weeks can make a lot of difference.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Patler
        Originally posted by Scott Campbell
        Originally posted by Patler
        How many times in the last 10 years has a team had two decent kickers at the same time?

        I have no idea. It looks like there may be no precedent.

        But I think our ability to get something in return has very little to do with Ted's abilities as a trader. I think it has much more to do with other teams desperation for a kicker.
        I agree. JSO had an article about a week ago or so that said the odd thing was that no team was really desperate for a kicker this year. Of course, one or two weeks can make a lot of difference.
        Patler, good to see you back. Haven't seen your posts in what seems quite a while and missed them. Thought that joke you initiated in April Fools of you becoming a writer for the JSO might actually have been true. Either way I'd rather read your insightful posts over most of the stuff written there.
        60% of the time it works every time.

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        • #19
          The last time I remember two kickers of value heading into the final cutdowns in the NFL was when Doug Pelfrey was cut in favor of rookie Neil Rackers. I believe at the time that Pelfrey was one of the more accurate kickers in the NFL but coming off a bad season.
          60% of the time it works every time.

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          • #20
            Thanks MrBojangles. I've been around, but not posting much. I've been more active in the Brewer thread than here. I've said all I have to say about TT and what he did or didn't do with the select six players or so and/or the salary cap the last three years. Since every thread eventually migrates to these, I've just quit reading most of them when they do. Consequently, I've posted infrequently.

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            • #21
              I don't think the packers can get a draft pick.

              They likely will get a player. More likely a green as grass benchwarmer who was going to be cut by his team. I doubt Ted goes for some breaking down vet.

              Look for an RB or third QB or possibly a DT to replace the one that will be traded.

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              • #22
                Cincy just lost their kicker due to a hip injury, so there is another possibole trade partner.

                The packers would have to get a draft pick to avoid getting a convict.
                2025 Ratpickers champion.

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