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  • "NO RUNNING FROM PROBLEM"

    Thompson can't run from backfield problems
    Posted: Aug. 27, 2007

    Tom Silverstein
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    One could hardly characterize Ted Thompson as a gambler.

    The stoic, even-tempered Green Bay Packers general manager would be the last person you'd expect to see at the Mirage casino going all in on a pair of deuces.

    But the way he has handled the Packers' running back situation leads one to believe he has a little bit of Johnny Chan inside him. Cool, confident and never ruffled, Thompson decided to stand pat with a backfield only the most cold-blooded of gamblers would hold onto.

    Things aren't looking very promising for Thompson right now.

    Not with Vernand Morency indefinitely sidelined with a knee injury and hardly in football shape should he be available for the season-opener against Philadelphia Sept. 9. Not with rookie Brandon Jackson, who before thumping his noggin Sunday afternoon, hardly looked like the second-coming of Ahman Green. Not with rookie DeShawn Wynn, who finally made it onto the football field the same day Jackson exited it, rusty as an old gate after missing 18 days with a thigh injury.

    These three are the Packers' best hope for having a successful running game, which doesn't bode well for the season. It's very possible coach Mike McCarthy will have to turn to veteran Noah Herron, a reliable but less-athletic option, to be his workhorse, which would hardly be ideal.

    Before Thompson reports for his lashings, it is noteworthy to point out that his options during the off-season were limited, especially where free agency and trades were concerned. There were a lot of backs who were on the market, but only a few who were worth paying a significant amount of money.

    Jamal Lewis? Bad knees and doesn't fit the system.

    Dominic Rhodes? Way too much baggage; suspended for the first four games this year.

    Kevan Barlow? Washed up.

    Corey Dillon? Ditto.

    Travis Henry? An intriguing prospect who has the potential to be very productive in a zone-blocking system. But that's only if his financial worries over allegedly fathering nine children with nine different women don't distract him.

    Thomas Jones? The Bears would have never traded him to Green Bay.

    Willis McGahee? More of a power back who wouldn't be a great fit for the system.

    As you can see, the options for replacing Ahman Green were limited, just as they were when Thompson sought to replace departed guards Marco Rivera and Mike Wahle. You can argue all day whether Thompson should have paid to keep Green, or Rivera and Wahle, for that matter, but the reality is he made what he thought were sound fiscal decisions in both cases.

    So, does that let him off the hook for not filling those positions?

    Absolutely not. The distressing part for Packers fans is that the running back position is shaping up to be to the 2007 Packers what the guard position was to the 2005 Packers: a total mess.

    It is Thompson's responsibility to fill open positions, regardless of the circumstances. It is his job to recognize that Morency has a durability problem, that he probably won't get a shot at drafting California's Marshawn Lynch in the first round and that the options after Lynch weren't all that good.

    It's his job to make sure the Packers don't fall into the same hole they did in '05 when they couldn't get anything done because their guards were so bad.

    At this point, signing Tennessee free agent Chris Brown wouldn't have been such a bad option. Brown, an unrestricted free agent, was interested in signing with the Packers during the off-season, but talks never got off the ground and he wound up going back to the Titans for very little money.

    Through three games, Brown is averaging 5.1 yards per carry and is in a heated race with LenDale White for the starting halfback job. Brown has a reputation for running too high and getting hurt, but at this point he'd look like a pretty good option for the Packers.

    Jacksonville's LaBrandon Toefield was available, too. And he'll probably be available after the cutdown to 53. At this point, he'd be a viable option. He's not much of a breakaway threat and he's not going to make anyone forget Green, but he can pound it between the tackles.

    Then there's San Diego's Michael Turner. The Chargers took him off the market after they were unable to get the first- and third-round picks they were demanding in a trade and planned on having him back up LaDainian Tomlinson for one more year.

    However, had a team such as the Packers kept pounding on the door to try to free Turner - who will become an unrestricted free agent at the end of this season - who knows how far they could have knocked down the price? Now it appears to be a moot point because Turner suffered a high ankle sprain this past weekend and could be out for awhile.

    The point is there are always options, even if some of them aren't that great. Thompson chose to stand pat in March and April knowing Morency was his leading candidate to start and the best he could hope for out of the draft was a second-round pick. He did nothing dramatic to change the situation and probably won't do anything from now until the start of the regular season.

    As a disciple of former general manager Ron Wolf, the one thing he should have learned is that there are always options.

    Before Edgar Bennett became the Packers' workhorse during the Mike Holmgren years, Wolf took shots with John Stephens and Reggie Cobb. When Bennett got hurt and then left in free agency, he got as much as he could out of Aaron Hayden and Darick Holmes. And when Dorsey Levens started to fade, he traded for a fumbler named Ahman Green.

    It's possible that Morency will get over his knee injury and be a reliable runner, Jackson will develop into a crafty runner and Wynn will be the power back that complements the others. But the situation hardly looks that promising right now and the running game stands to be as weak as the guard position was two years ago.

    This is a bet that Thompson looks like he's going to lose again.
    TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

  • #2
    The distressing part for Packers fans is that the running back position is shaping up to be to the 2007 Packers what the guard position was to the 2005 Packers\


    WIST SAID THIS TODAY; these guys are stealing our info in PR
    TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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    • #3
      Re: "NO RUNNING FROM PROBLEM"

      Originally posted by Bretsky
      The stoic, even-tempered Green Bay Packers general manager would be the last person you'd expect to see at the Mirage casino going all in on a pair of deuces.



      Is this supposed to be a bad thing?

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      • #4
        During the Titan game, watch their running back Dontrell Moore, who should get cut by the Titans. He's a local kid, so I'd like to see him do well. He's young, nothing flashy, but someone to look at.

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        • #5
          They better look at some options in the next week, as I'm sure there will be some decent cuts at the RB position. Looks like Jackson might have some potential, but I think it was foolish of TT not to bring in a decent veteran RB that was available for trade or FA.

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          • #6
            I hear that the Green Bay Vocational Technical College University has a guy who hasn't played football since his Pee Wee days at Paris, France Primary School. 3T may want to take a look at the kid, he may even sign for the league minimum.
            "Once the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the Republic.”
            – Benjamin Franklin

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            • #7
              Originally posted by LL2
              I think it was foolish of TT not to bring in a decent veteran RB that was available for trade or FA.
              Who would you have brought in? Just curious.
              "You're all very smart, and I'm very dumb." - Partial

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              • #8
                Re: "NO RUNNING FROM PROBLEM"

                Originally posted by Bretsky
                Thompson can't run from backfield problems
                Posted: Aug. 27, 2007

                Tom Silverstein
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                Then there's San Diego's Michael Turner. The Chargers took him off the market after they were unable to get the first- and third-round picks they were demanding in a trade and planned on having him back up LaDainian Tomlinson for one more year.

                However, had a team such as the Packers kept pounding on the door to try to free Turner - who will become an unrestricted free agent at the end of this season - who knows how far they could have knocked down the price? Now it appears to be a moot point because Turner suffered a high ankle sprain this past weekend and could be out for awhile.
                Turner is who I had the most interest in... young, has done it in the league, has a ton of upside. I always had in mind a 2nd round pick +... I'm sure something could have been hammered out.

                Even with the high ankle sprain, I'd still go after Turner. No way will TT offer up any of next years picks though. No way will he offer picks.

                We're stuck, I fear.
                wist

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                • #9
                  Re: "NO RUNNING FROM PROBLEM"

                  Originally posted by Scott Campbell
                  Originally posted by Bretsky
                  The stoic, even-tempered Green Bay Packers general manager would be the last person you'd expect to see at the Mirage casino going all in on a pair of deuces.



                  Is this supposed to be a bad thing?

                  The writer is not criticisizing TT's image, he's making the point that it contrasts with the gamble he took at RB this year.

                  But was it really such a gamble from TT's perspective? His job is not anything close to being in jeopardy. TT says he wants and expects to win now, but actually next year or the year after is soon enough for his career. Progress is good enough. More cap room for succeeding years fits his goals to a T.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by SkinBasket
                    Originally posted by LL2
                    I think it was foolish of TT not to bring in a decent veteran RB that was available for trade or FA.
                    Who would you have brought in? Just curious.
                    How about Ahman Green?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by retailguy
                      Originally posted by SkinBasket
                      Originally posted by LL2
                      I think it was foolish of TT not to bring in a decent veteran RB that was available for trade or FA.
                      Who would you have brought in? Just curious.
                      How about Ahman Green?
                      No thanks.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by SkinBasket
                        Originally posted by LL2
                        I think it was foolish of TT not to bring in a decent veteran RB that was available for trade or FA.
                        Who would you have brought in? Just curious.
                        Certainly not that guy in your picture!

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                        • #13


                          This gives you an idea of who was available. Not wonderful by any means. Perhaps they should have overpaid for Michael Turner since the market was so bare, and he was the best option.

                          I know it can set your organization back to lose draft picks, but it can also set your organization back to struggle at RB and to not have a good running game.

                          The only other option would have been to make sure we got Marshawn Lynch on draft day.

                          We'll see...perhaps there is a nugget to be found in free agency, or maybe, just maybe our guys will step up and do something good, if not spectacular.
                          "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." -Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Carolina_Packer
                            http://www.footballsfuture.com/2007/nfl/freeagentsRB.html

                            This gives you an idea of who was available. Not wonderful by any means. Perhaps they should have overpaid for Michael Turner since the market was so bare, and he was the best option.

                            I know it can set your organization back to lose draft picks, but it can also set your organization back to struggle at RB and to not have a good running game.

                            The only other option would have been to make sure we got Marshawn Lynch on draft day.

                            We'll see...perhaps there is a nugget to be found in free agency, or maybe, just maybe our guys will step up and do something good, if not spectacular.
                            Look, I don't buy the whole "there was no one available" argument.

                            Ahman Green was available, we just bicker about "value". Quite honestly, a case could be made that having someone reliable whilst training the new guy to take over is INVALUABLE. Face it, we'd all be feeling much better about 2007 and giving Jackson some adequate time to train if Green were in camp even if we KNEW it was a 2 year deal and there was a trifle of dead money thereafter.

                            Proper succession planning is crucial to any business, especially in football, where careers end after a single play sometimes.

                            This is just piss poor planning. (Now watch Jackson scamper for 1300 yards to prove me wrong... )

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by retailguy
                              Face it, we'd all be feeling much better about 2007 and giving Jackson some adequate time to train if Green were in camp even if we KNEW it was a 2 year deal
                              Maybe I misunderstand what you are saying. But Green proved that he was able to get a longer term deal on the market. Why do you think the Packers could have signed him to a convienent 2-year deal?

                              I thought letting Green go was a good idea. Now it looks less ingenious. But..... gol darn it, it wasn't MY job to replace Green after letting him go. This stain is on TT, not me!

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