CHRIS CHAMBERS AVAILABLE!!! and other WRs.

[superfan]

Chambers for a 5th (I'm assuming we are just throwing out random possibilities at this point) seems like a no brainer. Plenty of cap space available, and you can't have enough depth at the receiver position - I remember a couple years ago Antonio Chatman getting far more targets than I would like to see. Jennings missed considerable time last year, and Driver has missed games over the last couple years and has already had a scare this year.

If you get Chambers and the receiver corps remains healthy, the talent at WR should allow the coaches to open up the offense more, which can create some tough mismatches for defenses. And it can help cover up the weakness at the tight end position. And the more teams have to focus on the passing game, the more it should open up the running game.

Might have to cut Ruvell Martin, but he certainly isn't at Chambers' level now, and I'm not confident that he ever could be.

And if we are somehow able to get him for a 5th, it's not like we won't have a 5th round pick next year, since TT would find a way to get three 5ths for our 3rd round pick.

[Guiness]

Lots of talk about his big contract, but does anyone know off-hand if he has a large annual salary, or did he get a big signing bonus? 'cause if it's the later, Miami takes the hit

[Harlan Huckleby]

Lots of talk about his big contract, but does anyone know off-hand if he has a large annual salary, or did he get a big signing bonus? 'cause if it's the later, Miami takes the hit

this just sounds like fools gold. Too good to be true.

I don't believe that Chamber is
1 healthy
2 more talented than what we got in Jennings, Jones
3 affordable
and
4 Miami is willing to part with him and, potentially, take a cap hit.

Doesn't make sense

[Rastak]

If you're trying to sign one of these guys, I'm not sure what you tell him. "Well, we wouldn't put you ahead of Driver, and we really like our two young guys to contribute this year. Would you like to take the place of Ruvell Martin?"

A team that can promise a legitimate shot at the #1 receiver spot, like the Vikings did with Ferguson, has a much better chance of picking up one of these guys than we do.

Then again, if the Driver injury is serious, we could offer a legitimate shot at #1...

Did the Vikes really promise Fergy a shot at the #1 spot? Dang, that's whacked. Poor Rastak. Fergy a #1 receiver? Man, maybe Carlton Brewster ought to head west. He could be their #2.

He's not the #1 reciever. Geez, I can make stuff up too.....

[Lurker64]

He's not the #1 reciever. Geez, I can make stuff up too.....

Nobody ever said he was. What I said, which is echoing what was reported on KFAN was that the reason he chose the Minnesota job was that he was offered an opportunity to win the #1 job, which he was not offered in Houston. He's been with the team 1 week, he clearly isn't the #1 guy yet.

[Rastak]

He's not the #1 reciever. Geez, I can make stuff up too.....

Nobody ever said he was. What I said, which is echoing what was reported on KFAN was that the reason he chose the Minnesota job was that he was offered an opportunity to win the #1 job, which he was not offered in Houston. He's been with the team 1 week, he clearly isn't the #1 guy yet.

No, he was offered a chance to play. Houston wanted him to run with the scout team before deciding to do anything. Minnesota said, we'll put you in the rotation right away. I guess anytime you are on the field you have the opportunity to win the #1 job, even if it is highly unlikely.

[woodbuck27]

God, it is sooooooooo depressing to know that ANY TIME a player that isnt a rookie free agent gets cut or is available via trade, Ted Thompson WILL NOT get involved. He is always saying that he is looking to improve the roster but I can't believe that he really believes that. It would be exciting to have a GM that actually got involved in aquiring players outside of the draft. I am very depressed about the Pack right now.

How can TT believe that:

1. We have ANYTHING special at RB? How has he not improved this position?

2. Our offense scares anyone? Adding a guy like Chris Chambers would not only add some juice to our O but how happy would it make Favre? He wanted some vet. help.

BUT IN THE END, TT will do nothing. Very depressing!

If you are looking at the situation in Green Bay with frustration, that's related to really nothing for our 'O', and that clearly on the shoulders of our GM? Ted Thompson?? I

If your confused about the strange manner in which TT acts as our GM?

It makes it easier to understand, if and only if, you realize that TT only has one primary agenda. That is to ensure the wish's of others Other people. that don't represent the best interests of Packer fans in terms of being a winner or competitive amongst the best teams in the NFL.

As Packer fans. . the cheat is in.

It only appears that TT's primary agenda is based on:

Fiscal restraint or CAP management and establishing the TT train (his team) and only again, if one relates to and supports the other.

The primary objective(the BIG cash-in) is to re-coup all the money afforded to Favre. TT can't do that (or retire Favre) and give Favre an offense.

Favre is the most frustrated person always in all of Packerdom and that frustration is by design and with purpose.

SO.

No weapons beyond what Brett Favre had before TT and less and less for the table as Favre persists in delaying his exit.

Thus we have to deal with Ahman Green's exit this season without any REAL RESPONSE on behalf of our GM,Ted Thompson. We have to deal with the obvious deceits and or stupidity (slash) incompetence we obseve in TT as he doodles under the direction of. . . his commands ideals and wishs.

I really believe that until TT's boss issues to him a different agenda that his hands are tied. Nothing else makes any clear sense to me.

Why else would his ways persist as the GM of the Green Bay Packers? Most of our best players arrived before TT. That core of players with the additions we all knew that we needed on our offense could have served notice again in the NFL.

We only needed TT to step up and do his job.

So why has he maybe moreso this off season, than in his previous two off season's acted like he's not in the game? Why. . . in the face of his "he wants to win in 2007" have we had to endure his non-chalent - no show - carte blance approach, almost with a shrug?

He can't possibly be as stupid as he looks and be hired to manage one of the most noteable organizations in all of Pro sports.

It's so frustrating to those of us that own pride properly and love our Packers. Packer fans that just can't hide our heads in the sand as exposed as we are to the embarassment and deceit that underlies any Packer possible good fortunes.Packer fans that really see other Packer fans trust and believe in the ways and strengths of a GM that is clearly corrupted or incompetent.

As Packer fans we are being deceived and billed for a poor field of goods. As Packer fans we are mocked and suffer embarassment for our trials as mere observers of overall and in our faces mismanagement.

[Lurker64]

We should really get [conspiracytheory] tags for Woodbuck, so that nobody is confused by his rants.

[PackerBlues]

It's simply not Thompsons style to pick up a player like Chambers. Chambers is proven talent. He is a veteran Offensive weapon. He has a history of making big plays. Why in the world would Thompson want someone like that?

If Thompson were to make any trade, or pick up any free agent at this point, I am pretty sure that it would not be an Offensive weapon. That would not be Teds style at all. If anything, I would expect the jerk to pick up another DT long before he bothered with a veteran WR or RB (TE anyone?).

I would love to have Chambers on the team. Give the rookies even more reason to push themselves to get better. I just do not see it happening though. Teddy has been around long enough now, that a pattern has developed in regards to his acquiring players. You see, whenever you or I feel that it would make sense to pick up a proven Offensive weapon, Teddy will always piss you off by signing someone at a position that is already strong, or, he picks up cheap bargain bin players. A guy like Chambers has far to much talent for Thompson to consider, it would require Thompson to negotiate a contract, and as we all know, Teddy just does not have it in him to negotiate a contract with a big name player without fucking it up.

[woodbuck27]

,

"ANY TIME a player that isnt a rookie free agent gets cut or is available via trade, Ted Thompson WILL NOT get involved."

Umm, GBPackFan, Vernand Morency was neither a rookie free agent, nor was he cut, and he was available via trade. You may not think much of that deal, but if you're going to capitalize ANY TIME, you might want to be sure.

Go ahead a nit-pick my statement if it makes you feel better. The fact remains that TT has done a HORRIBLE job improving our RB position. One could argue that we have taken a giant step back. But your right, TT did trade for an injury prone RB. NICE JOB!

All I'm saying is that if you're going to capitalize those words, then you might want to check that they are factual. If you call paying attention to the truth "nit-picking," then I'm not sure what to say. I like a variety of opinions, and I enjoy reading those opinions. But I just don't care for blanket statements presented as fact if those statements are not fact. You can't have an intelligent discussion that way.

As for your general opinion that TT has done a lousy job in the running back department, well, you may well be right. I think it's a little early to say, but it doesn't look too promising at the moment. I'm just thinking that the running game might not be really good, but could be just good enough.

No offense buddy, I could care less if you approve of the way I put together my posts. If you don't find them intelligent, then just don't respond. Spare me the lecture. Thanks.

Hang in there, as before too much longer, even the TT deluded KLAN will have to face reality. The writing is clearly on the wall now.

The real concern for me, or problem I'm served with as a Packer fan looking ahead, is that TT may well be the anti-scapegoat.

We may have two more and then two - three more year's after that to suffer him as reward for his successful takedown.

The only strippers and nothing else, better than TT are in Vegas.

[Merlin]

Go ahead a nit-pick my statement if it makes you feel better. The fact remains that TT has done a HORRIBLE job improving our RB position. One could argue that we have taken a giant step back. But your right, TT did trade for an injury prone RB. NICE JOB!

What do you define horrible as?

I can understand the view point that TT has not improved the RB position, as some see fit. If you look at it objectively, he brought in a decent RB in Morency and came out ahead in that trade. He's also bought a rookie RB that has the potential to be a 1,000 yard rusher in the future. I think most people agree that Jackson, over time, does have the talent to be a starting RB.

RB is our Achilles' heel, as of now. It could turn for the better in the future, it also could take a turn for the worse.

You're entitled to your opinion and I respect it, but, IMO, I find the sarcasm unnecessary and obnoxious. It can be witty at times, but if it's used over and over again, it gets repetitive and boring.

We're all concerned about the RB position. None of us will know until the seaon. Only time will tell.

I find the lack of a decent RB on this team unnecessary and obnoxious. I also find terms like "potential and "only time will tell" obnoxious. I'm not taking a shot at you, really I'm not, but my attitude isn't going to change unless TT brings in a PROVEN vet. at RB. I understand that LT wasn't available but there are options. A trade could be made. But TT would rather sit on his draft picks and yes, they MAY get better but not while Brett Favre is here. We need offensive playmakers in the worst way. Even Brett knows it and he has way more inside knowledge then any of us. Our running game is a joke and TT is to blame.

Enough with the obnoxious bashing. Facts are facts. 3T traded for Morency and I agree it was a good trade for it's intended purpose. Morency was a good compliment to Green. He has shown he can run well within the ZBS. However, his durability is in question for being a starter and was in question prior to his latest injury. Brandon Jackson wasn't a starter anymore in college because he wasn't the best option on the team. 3T took him because he looks like he could fit well with the ZBS. The downside is that Jackson isn't that fast and history says that he isn't going to get any faster as he gets older and takes a beating in the NFL. He is very raw and over time "may" be starting material, I wouldn't take that bet. He will work well in a running back by committee scheme but he will never be a premier back in the NFL. You don't hear much kudos from many people over Noah Herron. Even though the guy has produced for us every time he has been called upon to do so. It's obvious by his spot on the depth chart that 3T doesn't think he is the answer either.

Face it, 3T is handling this like he handled our guards in 2005. It is reprehensible that we have not added veteran depth & experience to our running back position. It isn't a matter of money, it's a matter of ego.

How anyone can be optimistic about our running game is beyond me. Last season we had one of the better backs in the NFL rushing for us with a new blocking scheme (one that is supposed to be far superior to any other I might add) and our running game was anemic. This year our line is a year older, knows the system better but we don't really have a threat to take it to the house. Pre-season so far has given no indication that the ZBS is working anyway. I haven't seen too many holes to run through even if we had a premier back who could hit them. The only back to showed any talent at all was White and he did it by pounding it in there. 3T has gambled and now waiting for the last turn card. The season is a few weeks away and not only do we not have a starting running back, the best candidate is out indefinitely and 3T has done nothing.

As far as Chris Chambers is concerned, he is the Miami offense. Why not sign him, it isn't like we con't already have 354 WR's on the roster. We need another WR like we needed another DT.

[woodbuck27]

We should really get [conspiracytheory] tags for Woodbuck, so that nobody is confused by his rants.

Do YOU live in YOUR perfect world?

Sorry but I'm not among the naive.

Maybe? YOU JUST CAN'T FACE THE TRUTH.

Maybe . .. you still believe that Lee Harvey Oswald was the sole assassin?

Hahaha!

[Merlin]

Don't worry about it WB. Some people are eternal optimists waiting for the rainbow to show them the pot of gold all the while ignoring the fact it that without a leprechaun, the gold won't appear.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Face it, 3T is handling this like he handled our guards in 2005. It is reprehensible that we have not added veteran depth & experience to our running back position.

To play devil's advocate (Ted being the devil, as usual), he's handling the RB position differently. He brought in two guards for "veteran depth" and those guys stunk it up. Many of the available RB free agents might end the same way.

I think going for "depth players" usually fails. Undistinguished veterans who are let go by teams are suspect. Christ, look at how few of these 2nd-tier free agents have panned-out in GB of late. Manuel, Walker, etc. If you want to improve your team, you have to take a risk. Such as paying Ahman Green a lot of money. Or going after a similar caliber player.

[PackerBlues]

Face it, 3T is handling this like he handled our guards in 2005. It is reprehensible that we have not added veteran depth & experience to our running back position.

To play devil's advocate (Ted being the devil, as usual), he's handling the RB position differently. He brought in two guards for "veteran depth" and those guys stunk it up. Many of the available RB free agents might end the same way.

I think going for "depth players" usually fails. Undistinguished veterans who are let go by teams are suspect. Christ, look at how few of these 2nd-tier free agents have panned-out in GB of late. Manuel, Walker, etc. If you want to improve your team, you have to take a risk. Such as paying Ahman Green a lot of money. Or going after a similar caliber player.

My opinion differs here Harlan, to me, it seams that TT is handling the RB position the exact same way that he handled the O-line in 2005. We have the cheap no name free agent to toss into the lineup in Morency, and Ted drafted a few RB's with the bright idea of tossing them immediately into the starting lineup with a "sink or swim" attitude.

Thompson just does not have it in him to take chances. His method of improving the team revolves around maxing out his number of draft picks, so as to create a competition for starting positions. He simply throws his rookies and bargain bin players onto the field with his "sink or swim" mindset. Just because one of Thompsons many picks proves to be better than another of Thompsons picks, does not mean that either of his picks were ever worthy of being starter material. If anything, the fact that Thompson even bothered with guys like Manuel, Walker, etc....... proves that Thompson is not as great as his supporters would like to suggest when it comes to evaluating talent.