CHRIS CHAMBERS AVAILABLE!!! and other WRs.

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Oddly enough, Robert Ferguson is starting out as the consensus #2 receiver here in Minnesota. I suppose he would have a chance to move up to #1. the current #1 is Bobby Wade. Wade is small but he's slow.

Ha, you say that like it's a good thing.

Well, yea he is small, but he's also slow so he's got that going for him.

[The Leaper]

I see no reason to bring Chambers here if we have to give up anything for him or have to take on his overpriced salary.

[LaFours]

Do YOU live in YOUR perfect world?

Sorry but I'm not among the naive.

Maybe? YOU JUST CAN'T FACE THE TRUTH.

Maybe . .. you still believe that Lee Harvey Oswald was the sole assassin?

Hahaha!

You have theories that explain facts, but you do not have facts that imply any of your theories to the exclusion of other potential theories. In other words, you have not lived up to your burden of proof.

Anybody can come up with any number of crazy theories to explain basically anything under the sun, and they'd even be consistent with the facts that they're trying to explain. None of this is useful, without any evidence that either they're right and other people are wrong or that their theories are more useful than competitive theories.

You claim a lot of things about Ted's motives. Do you know Ted Thompson? Do you speak to him regularly? Does he call you late at night to share his innermost thoughts? Do you have some reason for us to believe that your estimation of Ted's motives is in fact, accurate? The fact that you believe something with all of your heart does not in fact increase the probability that you are correct or the credibility of your argument. Is there really any reason to ever state, as though you know it to be fact, your thoughts on the personal opinions and motivations of people you have never met or spoken to?

I could claim that Ted Thompson is actually an alien on the planet earth, who needs sweat in order to power his spacecraft, which explains the fact that he always drafts 10+ guys and then brings in several UFAs. Clearly, he'd want to bring in 50+ guys to harvest their sweat so he can return home, but he doesn't want to draw attention to him lest his alien nature is discovered and he's vivisected by earth scientists. His alien physiology also explains his unearthly complexion and his success in the national football league as a player. Should anybody listen to me, based on the facts I've provided? Absolutely not. Are you providing really any more meaty facts than my "Thompson is an Alien" hypothesis?

Plus he installed new turf to improve his ability to harvest the sweet nectar he needs to get back to his home planet. Don't they have new turf on the practice field too?

How about them apples, eh?

[Merlin]

Face it, 3T is handling this like he handled our guards in 2005. It is reprehensible that we have not added veteran depth & experience to our running back position.

To play devil's advocate (Ted being the devil, as usual), he's handling the RB position differently. He brought in two guards for "veteran depth" and those guys stunk it up. Many of the available RB free agents might end the same way.

I think going for "depth players" usually fails. Undistinguished veterans who are let go by teams are suspect. Christ, look at how few of these 2nd-tier free agents have panned-out in GB of late. Manuel, Walker, etc. If you want to improve your team, you have to take a risk. Such as paying Ahman Green a lot of money. Or going after a similar caliber player.

I would agree with that normally accept there have been several older veteran running backs that would have added depth in our running back by committee scheme. Cory Dillon could have handled a 3rd of the carries and added valuable leadership for example. Right now, we have no one on our roster that has been a premier back or the #1 back at any time during their NFL career. For as injury prone as Davenport may have been, he did learn a lot from working with Ahman Green. I think had Morency had more time with Green, he would been better as well save the inhury problem. Right now in the youth movement, 3T has decided to throw unproven backs under the bus and let things fall where they may. Although I have the utmost resepct for Edgar Bennet, he isn't in the trenches. Teaching can only go so far without example.

[PackerBlues]

I see no reason to bring Chambers here if we have to give up anything for him or have to take on his overpriced salary.

Where do you get that Chambers salary is "overpriced"? While WR may not be as big of a problem for the Packers offense as RB or TE might be, we still could use some depth. A bunch of no-name rookies is not going to cut it. Injuries happen, and the loss of Driver in particular would be terrible for our offense. Having someone with Chambers experience would go a long way towards shoring up the Packers WR position.

With any other GM, I would think that the Packers would chase after talent like Chambers, but with Thompson, not only do I not expect him to go after Chambers, but I would be shocked to see him even try. Fact is, Thompson would never be able to negotiate a contract with a big name player like Chambers, so why would he embarrass himself by even trying?

[MJZiggy]

I would agree with that normally accept there have been several older veteran running backs that would have added depth in our running back by committee scheme. Cory Dillon could have handled a 3rd of the carries and added valuable leadership for example. Right now, we have no one on our roster that has been a premier back or the #1 back at any time during their NFL career. For as injury prone as Davenport may have been, he did learn a lot from working with Ahman Green. I think had Morency had more time with Green, he would been better as well save the inhury problem. Right now in the youth movement, 3T has decided to throw unproven backs under the bus and let things fall where they may. Although I have the utmost resepct for Edgar Bennet, he isn't in the trenches. Teaching can only go so far without example.

Edgar Bennett was a good NFL running back for years. He is perfectly capable of setting an example either in person or with film.

And PBlues, the only way you could possibly know that much about TT's motivations and abilities would be to be having breakfast with him every morning (I'm sure you catch my meaning). You don't really want me having to make that assumption do you?

[Merlin]

There is no better example then watching a pro-bowl running back on your team either on film or in a game. It's one thing to teach a player that they should have done this or that, it's completely another to watch someone actually do it who has been there before and to have that leadership on the team.

[MJZiggy]

There is no better example then watching a pro-bowl running back on your team either on film or in a game. It's one thing to teach a player that they should have done this or that, it's completely another to watch someone actually do it who has been there before and to have that leadership on the team.

And you think Edgar doesn't have any film of pro bowlers stashed away that he can go over with the RB's? Come on!! Film of Ahman in his prime is likely more valuable to these kids than watching him run now in person. And as much as I like him and wanted him to stay, it did drive me a little nuts that his asthma was bothering him as much as it was because sometimes we needed him in the game when he was on the sidelines remembering how to breathe.

[PackerBlues]

And PBlues, the only way you could possibly know that much about TT's motivations and abilities would be to be having breakfast with him every morning (I'm sure you catch my meaning). You don't really want me having to make that assumption do you?

I honestly dont catch your meaning, and I dont know what assumptions you are talking about.

If you are referring to my opinion that Thompson cannot negotiate a big name contract, I would have to ask, have you ever seen him do it?

When Thompson first came to GB, did he even try to negotiate a contract with Wahle, Rivera, Sharper, or Longwell? I am guessing that he didnt, but if he did, he obviously failed.

After that, there was Walker.......no success in Negotiating that contract, was there?

Thompson said that he "thought that he had a deal in place" with Moss. I guess he just "thought" wrong. Again, did he even try, or is this further proof that Thompson cannot negotiate a big name contract?

Ahman Green said that he wanted to stay in GB. He proved that he came back from his injury, by putting up over a 1,000 yards rushing, and by being the Packers 3rd leading reciever during his last year in GB. Again, Teddy says that he tried to keep Green, and yet, he could not negotiate a deal that would make Green stay. The history is building.

I do not have to eat breakfast with Thompson, or know him personally, to be able to see that he has quite a history of not being able to get the big deal done. Hell, I could take it a step further and say that the entire reason that Thompson is so in love with the idea of building through the draft, is because he is clueless as to how to negotiate a large contract. All the above mentioned could be used as proof for that statement, it would not necessarily make it true, but the history is still there for all to see.

[Merlin]

There is no better example then watching a pro-bowl running back on your team either on film or in a game. It's one thing to teach a player that they should have done this or that, it's completely another to watch someone actually do it who has been there before and to have that leadership on the team.

And you think Edgar doesn't have any film of pro bowlers stashed away that he can go over with the RB's? Come on!! Film of Ahman in his prime is likely more valuable to these kids than watching him run now in person. And as much as I like him and wanted him to stay, it did drive me a little nuts that his asthma was bothering him as much as it was because sometimes we needed him in the game when he was on the sidelines remembering how to breathe.

There may be film from last season but not much that was very good because we couldn't block worth a shit. Anything older then that doesn't play into it because you want "now" situations, not film from Green back in the pound it Sherman days. That's fine, dismiss the obvious that we have no one that has a clue in our backfield I can agree to disagree.

[the_idle_threat]

And PBlues, the only way you could possibly know that much about TT's motivations and abilities would be to be having breakfast with him every morning (I'm sure you catch my meaning). You don't really want me having to make that assumption do you?

[Larry Craig]I honestly dont catch your meaning, and I dont know what assumptions you are talking about.[/Larry Craig]

Fixed

[SudsMcBucky]

I would welcome a Chamber trade (despite the contract) for a low round pick, with open arms. He would be our #2 right off. That is an immediate upgrade. He has all the tools. If Miami gets rid of him, either through trade or cut, it would only be because of a combination of his DUI and salary. GB has no salary problems, could take it on, PLUS still hunt for a TE/RB or anything else that comes along.

All CC needs is a QB to throw to him. If BF can make a ProBowler out of Driver, Freeman, etc., imagine what he could do for CC, who already WAS a PB'er with bad QB's.

Now, TT doing it is a completely different situation.

[MJZiggy]

And PBlues, the only way you could possibly know that much about TT's motivations and abilities would be to be having breakfast with him every morning (I'm sure you catch my meaning). You don't really want me having to make that assumption do you?

I honestly dont catch your meaning, and I dont know what assumptions you are talking about.

If you are referring to my opinion that Thompson cannot negotiate a big name contract, I would have to ask, have you ever seen him do it?

When Thompson first came to GB, did he even try to negotiate a contract with Wahle, Rivera, Sharper, or Longwell? I am guessing that he didnt, but if he did, he obviously failed.

After that, there was Walker.......no success in Negotiating that contract, was there?

Thompson said that he "thought that he had a deal in place" with Moss. I guess he just "thought" wrong. Again, did he even try, or is this further proof that Thompson cannot negotiate a big name contract?

Ahman Green said that he wanted to stay in GB. He proved that he came back from his injury, by putting up over a 1,000 yards rushing, and by being the Packers 3rd leading reciever during his last year in GB. Again, Teddy says that he tried to keep Green, and yet, he could not negotiate a deal that would make Green stay. The history is building.

I do not have to eat breakfast with Thompson, or know him personally, to be able to see that he has quite a history of not being able to get the big deal done. Hell, I could take it a step further and say that the entire reason that Thompson is so in love with the idea of building through the draft, is because he is clueless as to how to negotiate a large contract. All the above mentioned could be used as proof for that statement, it would not necessarily make it true, but the history is still there for all to see.

Idle, that was beautiful!

PB, this is the last I'm saying on this because this is rotting and stinks. Ted Thompson does not negotiate contracts, but Mr. Brandt seems to have gotten some things done with Pickett, Woodson, Kampman, Harris, Barnett, all of his rookies without a single holdout and Donald Driver. When it needs to get done it gets done. Now can we drop this stupid shit and talk about some football please? Anyone think McNabb is gonna have any mobility left this week? If not, I think he can be contained and shut down.

[PackerBlues]

PB, this is the last I'm saying on this because this is rotting and stinks. Ted Thompson does not negotiate contracts, but Mr. Brandt seems to have gotten some things done with Pickett, Woodson, Kampman, Harris, Barnett, all of his rookies without a single holdout and Donald Driver. When it needs to get done it gets done. Now can we drop this stupid shit and talk about some football please? Anyone think McNabb is gonna have any mobility left this week? If not, I think he can be contained and shut down.

Good, I am glad to hear that you are not going to say anything more on this......its not as if you have really said anything at all anyway. If you think that this is all stupid shit, then take your stupid ass to another thread, and discuss Mcnabb all you want jag off,.... this thread is titled: CHRIS CHAMBERS AVAILABLE!!! and other WRs. Try to get a fucking clue as to what people in this thread may want to talk about genius. It sure as fuck is not McNabb.

After reading through this thread, you want to come at me with your stupidity about "Pickett, Woodson, Kampman, Harris, Barnett, all of his rookies without a single holdout and Donald Driver."
One good free agent signing, and a bunch of guys who have already been playing in GB. Wow, way to defend Thompsons ability to negotiate a big name contract douche bag.

[MJZiggy]

I think Jones is gonna be a good 3rd option this season and if Jennings returns anywhere near to form (if he doesn't, Jones will move up and get it done) with Driver and the other talent we have fighting for spots, I personally don't see the need for Chambers.