wow! Pats thinking about cutting Moss?

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

This is why I wanted Moss all off-season. I refused to believe at only the age of 30 he just suddenly couldn't play anymore. I love James Jones, but Moss would have put this offense and the team to another level.

The choice isn't between Moss & James Jones. It's between Randy Moss and Chris Francies. They could still have drafted James Jones. Driver ain't gettin any younger.

But the real choice may have been non-existent. Moss probably wisely wanted to go to New England.

I understand that and thats what I meant.

This is what I wrote back in August:

I wanted Moss during that time the trade was possibility and I still wouldn’t mind having Moss. Jones and Jennings are awesome, but that doesn't mean they can't get better playing behind two great WR's. People act as though if Jones doesn't start as a rookie that his career is over or something and that he can't get better. I would rather be loaded at Wr than be one injury away from being weak and short handed. TT knows how to draft and no one can take that away from him, but sometimes I wish he would be a little more aggressive. I agree that you shouldn't over pay for old players, but Moss would not have cost much and the potential impact he could have had with Favre to me made the trade worth it. Are defense is very good, if we had just a little more on offense we would be a threat in the NFC.

[BallHawk]

Snoop Dog with the smackdown.

As of now, we can't say who is right and who is wrong. Time will tell. I am generally pro-TT, but I can see the side of the people that aren't satisfied with TT's free agency moves, or lack thereof.

But, hell, we're 2-0 so Ted must be doing something right.

[Patler]

Snoop Dog with the smackdown.

As of now, we can't say who is right and who is wrong. Time will tell. I am generally pro-TT, but I can see the side of the people that aren't satisfied with TT's free agency moves, or lack thereof.

But, hell, we're 2-0 so Ted must be doing something right.

Personally, I don't care if he never signs a FA, or if he signs 10 every year. I don't care if he accumulates draft picks, or if he trades them all away.

If the Packers become a playoff contender year after year, I will be happy regardless.

[Packnut]

Thompson/Moss

It's a mute point for now. No logic in carrying the Thompson debate on right now. We need to all sit back, and enjoy the season. Plenty of off-season time in 2008 to re-ignite the Thompson arguement.

[BallHawk]

Snoop Dog with the smackdown.

As of now, we can't say who is right and who is wrong. Time will tell. I am generally pro-TT, but I can see the side of the people that aren't satisfied with TT's free agency moves, or lack thereof.

But, hell, we're 2-0 so Ted must be doing something right.

Personally, I don't care if he never signs a FA, or if he signs 10 every year. I don't care if he accumulates draft picks, or if he trades them all away.

If the Packers become a playoff contender year after year, I will be happy regardless.

It's not the number of FAs that he signs, it's the quality. In the 2006 offseason his two main FAs were Pickett and Woodson. He hit on both. He missed on Manuel, but in the long run that didn't hurt us.

[Patler]

Snoop Dog with the smackdown.

As of now, we can't say who is right and who is wrong. Time will tell. I am generally pro-TT, but I can see the side of the people that aren't satisfied with TT's free agency moves, or lack thereof.

But, hell, we're 2-0 so Ted must be doing something right.

Personally, I don't care if he never signs a FA, or if he signs 10 every year. I don't care if he accumulates draft picks, or if he trades them all away.

If the Packers become a playoff contender year after year, I will be happy regardless.

It's not the number of FAs that he signs, it's the quality. In the 2006 offseason his two main FAs were Pickett and Woodson. He hit on both. He missed on Manuel, but in the long run that didn't hurt us.

You missed my point. I could not care less how he builds the team, so long as he does build it into a competitor.

[BallHawk]

Whoops, didn't realize I was quoting you. I was just trying to make a point, not a counter-point.

[Scott Campbell]

Re: Thompson/Moss

It's a mute point for now. No logic in carrying the Thompson debate on right now. We need to all sit back, and enjoy the season. Plenty of off-season time in 2008 to re-ignite the Thompson arguement.

Re-ignite? Mad needs to change your rat name to "Arsonist Rat".

[Bretsky]

You are sounding like an apologist

Bottom line, whether he went to bed thinking he had a deal or not, is he had months to make it happen and he didn't get it done.

From there to each his own as to whether you want to praise him for not making it happen or criticize him.

Cheers,
B

And you are starting to sound a bit whiny.

Why do we have to do either, praise or criticize him on the Moss deal?

There are 31 other teams trying to get better, just like the Packers. There are around to 2000 players who have their own goals, their own likes and dislikes. Who knows what Moss REALLY wanted, and if he would have come to GB under any conditions. I would hazard to guess some players do not want to come to GB, given a choice, and some (sacrilege here) don't want to play with Brett Favre. They might prefer someone who will be here the year after next, or even next year for that matter. Especially receivers.

Your position, as exemplified by your signature, has never made any sense to me.

1.Is there some rule that to be a good GM you HAVE to sign at least two "legitimate" free agents every year?

2. Why 2? Why not 3? or 1?

3. He signed three last year. why not "average" at 2?

4. What's "legitimate"? The absurd part is that at the time they were signed, Marquand Manual, Mark Roman and Joe Johnson would probably have satisfied your "requirements", but if all had been signed this year would GB be better for it? Would TT be a better GM because of it?


I much prefer to evaluate TT on his overall performance.

1. The signature was suppose to be funny. Why two ? We had a shitload of money. I never fathomed that TTT would fail to sign two. I fully expected the sig to be gone within a couple months. Of course I was wrong

2. I really have no answer to that; to me two would be an easy number, even for TT, to hit. He signed four last year; I never fathomed I'd still have this sig when the season started.

3. I think he signed four last year. Charles Woodsen, Ryan Pickett, Marquand Manuel, and Ben Taylor. Hey, that would make it an average of two

4. Legitimate is meant to be taken lightly; I even categorized Frank Walker as legit. It's simply put a player who has contributed to a NFL team before. You site bust signings; there are plenty of very good free agent signings as well. Plenty of them.

As for evaluating TT, as I've said many many times, I'll glorify the guy if and when he wins a Super Bowl. He's moving in the right direction at this point.

[Bretsky]

Snoop Dog with the smackdown.

As of now, we can't say who is right and who is wrong. Time will tell. I am generally pro-TT, but I can see the side of the people that aren't satisfied with TT's free agency moves, or lack thereof.

But, hell, we're 2-0 so Ted must be doing something right.

Personally, I don't care if he never signs a FA, or if he signs 10 every year. I don't care if he accumulates draft picks, or if he trades them all away.

If the Packers become a playoff contender year after year, I will be happy regardless.

It's not the number of FAs that he signs, it's the quality. In the 2006 offseason his two main FAs were Pickett and Woodson. He hit on both. He missed on Manuel, but in the long run that didn't hurt us.

Am I losing it or was Ben Taylor also a free agent signing ?

[MJZiggy]

Yes he was. As was Krause this year who, by the way is in his 4th year and therefore has the NFL experience that qualifies for your definition of legitimate...

[Bretsky]

Yes he was. As was Krause this year who, by the way is in his 4th year and therefore has the NFL experience that qualifies for your definition of legitimate...

Who is Krause ? Honestly, I don't know.

[MJZiggy]

The free agent tight end TT picked up after final cuts.

[BallHawk]

Am I losing it or was Ben Taylor also a free agent signing ?

Was Ben Taylor expected to start at LB when he was signed? I remember a lot of people saying his stats were beefed up from playing on a bad defense in Cleveland.

[Bretsky]

Am I losing it or was Ben Taylor also a free agent signing ?

Was Ben Taylor expected to start at LB when he was signed? I remember a lot of people saying his stats were beefed up from playing on a bad defense in Cleveland.

He was only singed for around 1MIL per year so expectations were all over. He had a lot of tackles the year before.

He seemed to be the hard working kind of LB that a team could live with as a starter, but with limited upside most teams didn't want him to be a starter.

He was expected to either compete and win the job versus Poppinga or be our backup at a few LB positions.