Packers acquired RB Ryan Grant from the Giants for an undisc

[KYPack]

Why the trade?
The Giants and the Pack both had 8-8 record last seaon, but the Nats made the play-offs. Anyone they cut would only have to pass thru 1 or 2 teams before we could snake Ryan off the waiver wire.

TT might've burned a beloved draft pick for no reason on this one.

Because there where 15 teams that would have had a chance at claiming him.

No.

After a player is cut, he is available to the team in his conference with the worst won/loss record from last year. Then it goes to the team with the next best record, etc.

We sit around 8 o 9 in the NFC.

I'm not gonna do the analysis, but we probably would get a good shot at Ryan. We would only be in competition with teams with a worse record than ours who had a hole at RB. That would be one or two teams. I think it's worth the risk to wait it out.

it also seems clear TT was offering Rayner to the Jints, but NY realized they could get Rayner off the wire, so they decided to gamble and play the wire.

I think TT should have done the same.

[RashanGary]

I found this interesting too; clearly he was their #5 back, I don't think it was clear but they sounded confident enough that they would get a draft pick back to keep him on the roster.

TT might actually be trying to do the same with the DL now.

I'm hoping we get a caller on our DT's. Cole is an OK player. A team like Indy or Seattle mgiht really need him and be willing to give up a TE or draft pick.

[RashanGary]

No.

After a player is cut, he is available to the team in his conference with the worst won/loss record from last year. Then it goes to the team with the next best record, etc.

We sit around 8 o 9 in the NFC.

I'm not gonna do the analysis, but we probably would get a good shot at Ryan. We would only be in competition with teams with a worse record than ours who had a hole at RB. That would be one or two teams. I think it's worth the risk to wait it out.

it also seems clear TT was offering Rayner to the Jints, but NY realized they could get Rayner off the wire, so they decided to gamble and play the wire.

I think TT should have done the same.

I agree. I'm not a big fan of this move but if he's a player and he makes Herron expendable after he gets healthy then I'm OK with it.

[run pMc]

Surprised they didn't work out a trade of Rayner for this guy. Wonder if TT really had to give up a pick...not that he doesn't usually have a surplus of them. I agree bringing 10 guys in every year is probably not necessary. I've never heard of this kid, so I can't say whether this is a bad deal or not...I'm hoping it's a good deal for us.

[Bretsky]

http://boards.giants.com/forums/thread/412369.aspx

Neat to see the NY Giants take on losing the RB; they clearly liked him and thought they were getting our K

[RashanGary]

Feels liek the Giants played us. We called and told them we wanted him for Rayner. They told him they were going to keep him. We offered a pick and they took it with glee.

It's probably a late round pick and our team is getting deeper and deeper to the point where a dozen rookies are going to have a hard time sticking. It's not like we gave up a lot and it can be considered a collosal bad move but it reaks of desperation and seems a little bit iffy. He can dispell all of that by playing well and maybe it's like Wolf said "If you want a guy then get him" but I live on the edge and I'm OK a lot of times with losing one if I win the next two.

[RashanGary]

http://boards.giants.com/forums/thread/412369.aspx


Neat to see the NY Giants take on losing the RB; they clearly liked him and thought they were getting our K

Good find, B. I was going to do something like this but I'm lazy. Thanks

[Bretsky]

Feels liek the Giants played us. We called and told them we wanted him for Rayner. They told him they were going to keep him. We offered a pick and they took it with glee.

It's probably a late round pick and our team is getting deeper and deeper to the point where a dozen rookies are going to have a hard time sticking. It's not like we gave up a lot and it can be considered a collosal bad move but it reaks of desperation and seems a little bit iffy.

I'd agree that we might have been played and it might show desperation.

But consider this then. TT viewed our RB in a situation of desperation to the point where he'd give up a draft pick.

He must have liked this guy a lot to do that as opposed to claiming somebody's cut.

We might have got this guy after he was cut; might not have.

TT made something happen.

And if he sucks we'll lose a sixth to seventh round draft pick; bit flippin deal.
TT adds a few of those each year with his tradedowns.

Our RB situation reaks of desperation; at least TT is trying to do something about it.

[RashanGary]

They seem like they are a lot more chilled out than us. They are all wishing him luck and only one guy started freaking out about how this spells doom and gloom becuase it only helps in the future.

I like our group a lot better but those New Yorkers must have Heroine running through their veins the way they go with the flow.

[RashanGary]

It might work out OK. Usually when TT makes a move (Woodson, Pickett, Manuel, Kampman, Jenkins, Franks, ect. . . ) it turns out good more often than bad. I think it will probalby work out jsut because I trust TT but at the same time I always put a question mark by any move that looks like it mgiht be influenced by desperation. I believe desperation is the downfall of many GM's.

I'm also glad that it gets you guys off TT's back. I'm invested enough in TT that I take his criticism to heart now. I am to TT what RG was to Sherman. I might even be worse

[Bretsky]

It might work out OK. Usually when TT makes a move (Woodson, Pickett, Manuel, Kampman, Jenkins, Franks, ect. . . ) it turns out good more often than bad. I think it will probalby work out jsut because I trust TT but at the same time I always put a question mark by any move that looks like it mgiht be influenced by desperation. I believe desperation is the downfall of many GM's.

I'm also glad that it gets you guys off TT's back. I'm invested enough in TT that I take his criticism to heart now. I am to TT what RG was to Sherman. I might even be worse

But after TT gets fired are you going to have flahbacks like RG does with Sherman ?

[RashanGary]

I think I'm going to consider NY is to heroine as Wisconsin is to Crystal Meth

[Bretsky]

It might work out OK. Usually when TT makes a move (Woodson, Pickett, Manuel, Kampman, Jenkins, Franks, ect. . . ) it turns out good more often than bad. I think it will probalby work out jsut because I trust TT but at the same time I always put a question mark by any move that looks like it mgiht be influenced by desperation. I believe desperation is the downfall of many GM's.

I'm also glad that it gets you guys off TT's back. I'm invested enough in TT that I take his criticism to heart now. I am to TT what RG was to Sherman. I might even be worse

Part of the reason TT gets my ire at times is because he seems to avoid bold moves. He might prove me wrong some day in a trade or strong free agent signing. While this isn't too bold, it's a start and gives me hope.

Whether this RB works out or not, I'm glad TT stepped out of what appears to me as his comfort zone and was active in making something happen

[RashanGary]

But after TT gets fired are you going to have flahbacks like RG does with Sherman ?

I'm pretty sure I will. TT's going to have to flop pretty hard for me to jump off his train.

I was a Dendy fan but damn, that little fucker played soft coverage one too many times. I've give TT more rope than Dendy. He just does too many things well.

[retailguy]

Part of the reason TT gets my ire at times is because he seems to avoid bold moves. He might prove me wrong some day in a trade or strong free agent signing. While this isn't too bold, it's a start and gives me hope.

Whether this RB works out or not, I'm glad TT stepped out of what appears to me as his comfort zone and was active in making something happen

I agree with this. If this guy can just be good enough to get rid of cement shoes Herron in the long run, I'm really happy with the deal. If he doesn't, well Ted will still get points from me for trying.

Some reporter said it was his opinion that we've got the worst RB's in the league, and I agree with him. Maybe they don't turn out to be the worst in the end, however, the odds are pretty damn good we'll be in the lower 25% of the league today. I don't like that, and am happy that SOMETHING was done, even if it was 6 months later than it should have been.