RUNNING INTO TROUBLE--JS

[MJZiggy]

Scott, I had viewed you as being very pro TT; were my perceptions wrong ?

Nutz answered your question very well. I don't consider myself to be overly pro TT. I hope he does well because that will benefit the Packers. I understand and endorse many of his strategies. I question some of the execuation. I won't blindly support a mistake just because he authored it. I feel fans typically don't have enough information to make informed decisions. We only see results, not the efforts or failed efforts. So I believe in giving the guy the benefit of the doubt. I did the same for Sherman, until it became painfully obvious that he just wasn't a very good GM.

I'm strongly against the inflamatory anti-TT rhetoric that assumes his moves are due to stupidity, cheapness, or him being evil. I think that stuff is just ridiculous and takes away from the credibility of the forum. The "I Hate Ted" crowd might be a minority, but it's a very vocal minority that has a tendency to overwhelm the tone of the board. And while I don't agree with everything Nick says, his vocal faith in Thompson does serve to balance things out a bit.

I remember Christl wrote a piece basically endorsing TT's strategy. But he also made another interesting observation. It said something along the lines of - you can do everything right, but you still have to be lucky in order to get your difference makers. I agree with that. You have to use the right methodology, and you have to be lucky.

QFT I love this post. Very well said and sums up what I've been feeling for quite some time

[HarveyWallbangers]

Agreed. Especially this:

I'm strongly against the inflamatory anti-TT rhetoric that assumes his moves are due to stupidity, cheapness, or him being evil. I think that stuff is just ridiculous and takes away from the credibility of the forum. The "I Hate Ted" crowd might be a minority, but it's a very vocal minority that has a tendency to overwhelm the tone of the board. And while I don't agree with everything Nick says, his vocal faith in Thompson does serve to balance things out a bit.

I'd probably rip Thompson a lot more than I do, but the "I Hate Ted" crowd is so loud and persistent that I find myself sticking up for the guy more than I would otherwise.

[vince]

Scott, I had viewed you as being very pro TT; were my perceptions wrong ?

Nutz answered your question very well. I don't consider myself to be overly pro TT. I hope he does well because that will benefit the Packers. I understand and endorse many of his strategies. I question some of the execuation. I won't blindly support a mistake just because he authored it. I feel fans typically don't have enough information to make informed decisions. We only see results, not the efforts or failed efforts. So I believe in giving the guy the benefit of the doubt. I did the same for Sherman, until it became painfully obvious that he just wasn't a very good GM.

I'm strongly against the inflamatory anti-TT rhetoric that assumes his moves are due to stupidity, cheapness, or him being evil. I think that stuff is just ridiculous and takes away from the credibility of the forum. The "I Hate Ted" crowd might be a minority, but it's a very vocal minority that has a tendency to overwhelm the tone of the board. And while I don't agree with everything Nick says, his vocal faith in Thompson does serve to balance things out a bit.

I remember Christl wrote a piece basically endorsing TT's strategy. But he also made another interesting observation. It said something along the lines of - you can do everything right, but you still have to be lucky in order to get your difference makers. I agree with that. You have to use the right methodology, and you have to be lucky.

Well said, Scott. I don't think there's a whole lot of luck involved though, but that's another topic.

[Scott Campbell]

Well said, Scott. I don't think there's a whole lot of luck involved though, but that's another topic.

I think you can create additional opportunities to be lucky. So there's a lot of skill involved in the big picture. But on indivicual transactions when you hit on a Kampman, and get a top 10 pick in the 5th round - that's pretty lucky.

[Bretsky]

And for the record, you pretty much hit the nail on the head with me too. I try to balance the anti TT rhetoric out and sometimes I'll exaggerate just to get things back to the middle where they really belong. I used to do that with guys who got beat up here too. I don't like mobs, they are my pet peeve for some reason.

Beleive it or not, I'm a believer in how he goes about things but I too am willing and ready to jump ship if he doesn't perform this year and going into next year. I just don't say it because I don't want to have my words used in sarcastic rhetoric for the mob.

Gosh, and here I thought the several extremists were needed just to balance your intensity out

[Bretsky]

To be honest, Nutz, I'd also consider myself to be in the middle.

My perception of where you're at is that you're anti-TT, but not anything like the extremists. You distance yourself from the crazy rhetoric, and don't seem to have a personal stake in him failing. I think you were so dissapointed by free agency this year, that you're ready to move in another direction, and will wait patiently for Ted to give you any additional reasons to become more vocal. I get the sense that an ugly loss could prompt you to join their lynch mob. I think it will take a TON of positive evidence for you to turn around on him and become a supporter.

But that's just my perception, not necessarily a reality.

I think you've got me pegged pretty well; I don't think I'd turn on him with one ugly loss.......but I'd take a strong step that route if he does not show measured improvement....via the record.... I say a strong step; I'm still a ways away from the extremist stance. He drafts well, I think, and that is a good portion of being a good GM.

I'd also agree it'll take a lot of positive evidence to get me back into the Kool Aide.

[Bretsky]

Lets be frank though; if it wasn't for a glut of injuries this wouldn't be as bad as it is. We've had the 3 RBs who most likely would have been on the roster (Jackson, Morency, Herron) all go down at some point in the preseason. You can put all of this on Thompson.

Now if you feel that those 3 wouldn't have cut it anyway, then feel free to point the finger.

Where to I point ? LOL

Jackson is the only one I have excitement about. So the guy I have hopes for is there.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Gosh, and here I thought the several extremists were needed just to balance your intensity out

To me, it seemed JH missed on some guys (Mike Hawkins), but wasn't overly optimistic until the board became overrun by vocal anti-TT folks. Suddenly, he's become the one balancing force out there. All by himself.

[Bretsky]

Gosh, and here I thought the several extremists were needed just to balance your intensity out

To me, it seemed JH missed on some guys (Mike Hawkins), but wasn't overly optimistic until the board became overrun by vocal anti-TT folks. Suddenly, he's become the one balancing force out there. All by himself.

Shadow and Vince do an awfully good job with evidence supporting him. And Ziggy pops in as well.