An unbiased look at Thompson's job.

[The Leaper]

Turner was the guy I zeroed on on...

I've argued from the beginning that a 2nd rounder + would have gotten him... a 2nd and 4th, a 2nd and a 3rd (next year maybe)... TT wouldn't have had to endure all of the pain in one year.

Certainly the current RB situation is untenable.

I can see your point...but with the college draft next year absolutely LOADED at RB, I can see why Thompson did what he did. It isn't Thompson's fault that every RB is hurt at the same time...some of that is just bad luck. If Morency and Jackson are healthy during most of camp and feeding off each other, the RB position may be viewed as more secure at this point. Both guys are first day draft picks...they have talent.

[PackerBlues]

I have decided to wait and see, and I can bet if these players can't cut the load in 2008 Thompson will stop at nothing to revamp the running back position.

LOL, sure, I bet he goes against everything he has shown us so far, and shock us all by using Free Agency to pick up a Veteran.......in 2008, lol

you on the other hand have already put your stamp on the failure at the running back position.

I have certainly complained about what I look at to be the teams most glaring weakness. I do not know any more than you do if this "RB by committee" idea would have worked with the guys that Thompson planned on going into the season with. Considering how its looking now, it is even more questionable.

I think before you go off on me and try to attack me like you did my buddy Skin, I will back off before it becomes dirty, because I honestly can't stand you or your rambling bullshit posts

And yet here you are, flapping your lips in one of my rambling bullshit posts. What a joke.

Reputation is what we have here and I can say I won't sink to your bullshit rambling when I know I can't prove your wrong, whats the point? you can tell the future and I can't you win.

You have got that right. Go lay down by your dish until you can come up with better arguments and leave the talking to the grown ups.

[PackerBlues]

...but with the college draft next year absolutely LOADED at RB, I can see why Thompson did what he did.

Thats an interesting point that I had not considered yet. Any big names that you can think of offhand that the Pack may have interest in?

[The Leaper]

Maybe a few of these guys would not have been a perfect fit, however, some of them would have easily have been an upgrade to what we thought we were going into the season with and what we are actually going into the season with now due to your injury excuse.

I don't know.

Turner was probably the best option...and he's still relatively unproven in terms of durability, so how is he a great upgrade over Morency or Jackson? He's hurt right now.

Rhodes put up numbers in Indy. Big whoop. Any NFL caliber RB should be able to put up numbers in that offense.

Brown is a question mark...and is a very marginal choice as a starting caliber back. Certainly not "easily an upgrade" over Morency or Jackson in my mind. Lendale White stuffing Twinkies in his face 24-7 still outplayed Brown.

Lewis? Over the hill. Dayne or Duckett? Hell no.

As I've maintained elsewhere, there just weren't many options to upgrade our RBs. Winning our last 4 games last year killed our chance to get in position to make the upgrade by drafting high in the first round. Giving up a bunch of draft picks for a guy who is relatively unproven isn't a good idea IMO.

[The Leaper]

Thats an interesting point that I had not considered yet. Any big names that you can think of offhand that the Pack may have interest in?

Well, I'm not sure who they may be interested in.,.but there are numerous guys who may be considered first round caliber talent by next February.

Hart (Michigan)
McFadden (Arkansas)
Slaton (WV)
Rice (Rutgers)
Bell (UCLA)
Choice (Georgia Tech)
Stewart (Oregon)

Next years draft likely will be far deeper than this past one at the RB position.

[cheesner]

Maybe a few of these guys would not have been a perfect fit, however, some of them would have easily have been an upgrade to what we thought we were going into the season with and what we are actually going into the season with now due to your injury excuse.

I don't know.

Turner was probably the best option...and he's still relatively unproven in terms of durability, so how is he a great upgrade over Morency or Jackson? He's hurt right now.

Rhodes put up numbers in Indy. Big whoop. Any NFL caliber RB should be able to put up numbers in that offense.

Brown is a question mark...and is a very marginal choice as a starting caliber back. Certainly not "easily an upgrade" over Morency or Jackson in my mind. Lendale White stuffing Twinkies in his face 24-7 still outplayed Brown.

Lewis? Over the hill. Dayne or Duckett? Hell no.

As I've maintained elsewhere, there just weren't many options to upgrade our RBs. Winning our last 4 games last year killed our chance to get in position to make the upgrade by drafting high in the first round. Giving up a bunch of draft picks for a guy who is relatively unproven isn't a good idea IMO.

Turner would have certainly been an upgrade, but now he is injured. We would be no better off and we would be short 2 high picks next year. In hind sight - we are fortunate we didn't get him.

The way I see things, TT inherited a team with about 20 holes. He has filled 18 of them in just 3 years. That is very good in my book. I will give him a little time to fill the TE and RB holes. I am not entirely sure that they are big holes anyway. We need to see if Franks continues his rejuvinated play, and I haven't given up on the RBs yet. I would say the issue is more to do with the blocking than with the running.

The 1996 SB team was not exactly a complete team either. The LB corp consisted of Wayne Simmons (great), Brian Williams (good) and Bernardo Harris (ugggh). Wolf signed FA Brian Cox who flopped that year. My point is, don't expect a complete team. There are none in the NFL with perhaps San Diego being the closest.

[PackerBlues]

Thanks Leaper, I will try to keep an eye out for those guys throughout the year. Your idea about Thompson expecting a draft loaded with good RB's is by far the best reason that I have heard as to why he didn't go after some of the big name free agents.

[Deputy Nutz]

Reputation is what we have here and I can say I won't sink to your bullshit rambling when I know I can't prove your wrong, whats the point? you can tell the future and I can't you win.

You have got that right. Go lay down by your dish until you can come up with better arguments and leave the talking to the grown ups.

don't make me cough milk up threw my nose!!!, I came up with my shit and then others proved my point.

[cheesner]

. . .

Reputation is what we have here and I can say I won't sink to your bullshit rambling when I know I can't prove your wrong, whats the point? you can tell the future and I can't you win.

Its the same argument for the 1,000th time.

Why wrestle with a pig? You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

[PackerBlues]

don't make me cough milk up threw my nose!!!, I came up with my shit and then others proved my point.

Really, Here is how I started this post:

"Let me start off by saying, I am not trying to bash Thompson, or start an argument. While I am upset with the changes our team has gone through, and how slowly it is coming together, I admit that in a few more years, we will have a young and talented football team, that may well be dominating for years to come thereafter."


Here is what I got from you:

Blah blah blah, no matter how you want to cover it or paint it, it is the same fucking story with Packerblues. Blah Blah Blah.

Followed by:

I think before you go off on me and try to attack me like you did my buddy Skin, I will back off before it becomes dirty, because I honestly can't stand you or your rambling bullshit posts, I guess I don't understand why you don't keep one thread and leave it at that? Consider it your blog of bullshit.

Reputation is what we have here and I can say I won't sink to your bullshit rambling when I know I can't prove your wrong, whats the point? you can tell the future and I can't you win.

I just picked the parts of your posts that stood out to me, its like SC said, everyone does it. I do not care about your "Buddy" Skin, and I do not care what you think of my opinions or about me personally. Your talk about coming up with your "shit", and others proving your point really does not impress me as much as it would have if you had stated your point yourself.
I have no intention of attacking you or getting into an argument with you. If I had simply continued to ignore skin, as I should have, the pissin contest we got into would have never had happened, and I am sorry that it did. I will not argue with you, I simply enjoy voicing my opinions like everyone else in here, and I plan to continue to do so, IRREGARDLESS of how you feel about it.

[The Leaper]

Thanks Leaper, I will try to keep an eye out for those guys throughout the year. Your idea about Thompson expecting a draft loaded with good RB's is by far the best reason that I have heard as to why he didn't go after some of the big name free agents.

I certainly can see Thompson's reasoning...this team wasn't going to be a Super Bowl contender this year regardless, so he took a DL prospect who would be somewhat of a project coming off a major injury and then took the best RB available and a WR who was going to need some time to mature as well. No FAs were going to be game changers for the Packers at RB.

Thompson isn't trying to win now...that is obvious regardless of what he says. He is trying to build a team to compete for a TITLE, which takes time and patience. Sherman didn't have that patience, which is what doomed him as GM.

It took Ron Wolf 4 years to build a title winner...even when he hit the jackpot twice with Favre and White, which isn't going to happen very often. Look how long it took the Bucs and Colts to get over the top. You don't build a long term winner overnight, and that is Thompson's...as well as the Board of Directors...goal. They want this team to be good when Favre leaves and continue to be strong without a dropoff.

I still question his offensive IQ...but in terms of building the basics of a roster, he's on the right track.

[CaliforniaCheez]

Everyone likes doing some armchair GMing.
There are always things different people and personalities would do differently.

However, Ted Thompson is the General Manager of the Packers. It is a position deserving respect. He therefore should be given the benefit of the doubt.

If there is a complaint I have of Ted is the reduction of value of the roster when guys are cut.

Now some contracts were too high to trade, but something could have been obtained in trade for a few of those guys instead of Morely. I won't list them all but consider the 2 guys named Thomas.

At least he hasn't traded away 2 draft picks for Tru Luck.

[Scott Campbell]

Why wrestle with a pig? You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

LOL

[Cheesehead Craig]

Gee, another thread that goes:

"TT is a piece of crap"

"No he isn't, he's great, you're the piece of crap"

"No you are"

Happy Labor Day everyone!

[Harlan Huckleby]

Why wrestle with a pig? You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

LOL

Why is PackerBlues a pig? I find the arguments he provokes to be entertaining enough.

I NEVER see the people arguing with him argue with each other. You need him.