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    O-line pushed around
    Unit fails to protect Favre, open up run
    By BOB McGINN
    bmcginn@journalsentinel.com
    Posted: Sept. 9, 2007

    Green Bay - It was surprising, perhaps even startling, to watch how ineffectively the offensive line of the Green Bay Packers pass-blocked Sunday in a 16-13 victory over Philadelphia at Lambeau Field.
    Tackles Chad Clifton and Mark Tauscher, left guard Daryn Colledge, job-sharing right guards Jason Spitz and Junius Coston and center Scott Wells were responsible for three of the Eagles' four sacks and the majority of five or six knockdowns.

    It was unfamiliar territory for the unit, which was charged with merely 12½ sacks and 27½ knockdowns in 16 games last season.

    "I'm sure they're disappointed," offensive coordinator Joe Philbin said. "There were a couple times where we thought going in we'd do a better job of protecting, let's put it that way."

    Jim Johnson, the Eagles' defensive coordinator, started off blitzing but the Packers didn't blow any protections. Later, Johnson stopped blitzing when it became apparent that his four-man rushes were generating ample heat.

    Not only that but the Eagles, highly suspect against the run, slammed down the 17 rushes that the Packers threw at them to the tune of 47 yards.

    "We came in throwing the ball, that was our mind-set, and then running it to win," coach Mike McCarthy said. "We didn't get that part done. It's always great to push harder after a win. We're going to push real hard on offense this week."

    Late in the second quarter, Clifton and Tauscher made weak attempts at cutting Trent Cole and Jevon Kearse and Brett Favre was sandwiched by the ends for a sack.

    "We shouldn't have cut," Tauscher said. "There was some different verbiage and we weren't on the page we needed to be on. He (Favre) held the ball a little bit because it was a double move."

    A series later, Colledge took a bad set, thought he had help inside from Wells when he didn't and was beaten by Montae Reagor for another sack. In 14 games at guard as a rookie, he didn't allow a sack.

    "It was disappointing because I pride myself on my pass 'pro,' " Colledge said. "I know what I did last year and what I can do this year. He made a great play and I got punished for it."

    In the third quarter, Tauscher was unable to influence defensive end Juqua Thomas on a bootleg and defensive tackle Mike Patterson closed for the sack.

    Then, with 4½ minutes left in the fourth quarter, Clifton got beat around the corner by Cole for a fumble-causing sack.

    "He feints a move inside, then he shortens the corner and goes around," Clifton said. "That's one of his special moves."

    Only twice last season were offensive linemen involved in three sacks in a single game.

    "Their pressure, as good as it was, wasn't really what gave us a lot of the protection problems," Philbin said. "The protection problems usually were just a man on a man."

    In the running game, the Packers were so impotent that the Eagles played most of the way with both safeties deep and blunted the run with seven men.

    "We've just got to fundamentally get ourselves back our basics," said Colledge, who also had two false-start penalties. "This was our first chance to play four quarters. We just have to sustain more."

    Thomas, a seven-year veteran, played more than Kearse at left end and was impressive.

    "For a guy who nobody outside the football annals would know, I think he's a really good football player," Tauscher said. "I couldn't tell you where he's from or what year he's in, but last year he caused fits, too."

    Defensive tackle Brodrick Bunkley, the 14th pick in 2006, played over Colledge much of the game.

    "Strong player," Colledge said. "I'm glad I got him this week instead of three or four weeks down the road. He's developing a better game every week."

    Now Green Bay's unit needs to get on the same track.
    TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

  • #2
    O-line

    What? Our O line pushed around? It can't be. How many times was it posted here that our o-line would be vastly improved and we would have a run game? Hell, Harrell posted it over a thousand times alone. :P

    Look's like all the rave reviews about Spitz may have been a tad pre-mature huh?

    I hope some here have learned that all the rah-rah kool-aid wishing in the world does'nt change facts. We have no run game and we will not have one this season. We will be ranked at 20 or worse when it's all said and done.

    Oh yeah, what was that FB's name I was bitching and moaning about because Thompson choked again on? 3 catches for 29 yds and a TOUCHDOWN. What did our converted LB do? But we have 14 mill in cap space.

    Spare me the typical response about how it's only game 1. A blind man can see what's coming. Thank God for our D.

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    • #3
      sniffle
      Originally posted by 3irty1
      This is museum quality stupidity.

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      • #4
        Haha, Zool that is perfect.

        nut, the line has a lot of work to do. Everyone knows that.

        Just to remind you of your chicken little stances from last year, here is some of the blithering drivel you spewed about a year ago...

        Originally posted by the nut
        http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/vi...ghlight=#72353
        I hope those few TT backers out there see the light. This guy is brutal from his coaching choice to player evaluating. There is not 1 damn thing that TT is good at as a GM.


        Well after watching parts of all today's games, we can honestly start debating who our #1 pick should be next season… I've watched the other teams who are in the running for the #1 pick. Buffalo, NYJ and even the Niners are way ahead of us talent and coaching wise. …There really is'nt gonna be anything else to discuss Packer wise this season so why not try something positive? Now things can change but IF Green stays healthy and shows he can be our #1 back next season, then we gotta go with Mr Irish. Brady has the potential to be the next Brett Favre. Now if Green can't handle it then we gotta go RB and there will be a bunch to choose from. Ok, let the great debate begin!


        Where will the Pack pick [in the 2007 draft]?
        Packnut: Top 3.


        It's gonna take some time and it will be very painfull, but after we are embarrassed week in and week out and as the losses pile up, most of the "optimists" will realize that TT has set this team back more than Sherman ever did.



        Woodson has to GO. NOW! SEND A MESSAGE
        Packnut: Good post and very accurate.


        The fact that any of you would defend this guy after yesterday is mind-boggling to say the least. It's one thing to get beat by Heap or Shockey but when you get beat by the worst TE in the game, you have more problems than just technique.


        No my arguement is that he is not TALENTED enough to build a winning team and I believe the FACTS to date prove it.


        Your faith in the drafting talents of TT amaze me. He has done NOTHING to even give a glimmer of hope. If you think stock-piling high draft choices is the answer, then you don't have a clue. Several teams have gone that route with no success. A GM need's to be able to bring in the right FA's and mix them in with the youth and I'd say there has been enough evidence to point out that TT is lacking in player evaluation skills.


        This season will continue to suck and going 3-13 should'nt be a shock to anyone.


        Cleaning house and going young has been tried before and it does'nt work. You need the right mix of vets and we have a GM that sucks at player evaluation. Yep, Woodson sure is worth all that cash. Yet, some will say TT is going in the right direction. There are several of the younger fans in this forum who have no concept of the 70's and 80's and sadly they are going to find out. They will understand how one bad choice has a snowball effect. I just don't see this "future hope" that they have. This team has so many holes, that it's just pathetic......


        Well may-be by the end of the season, many of you TT supporters will open your eyes and see that this guy has DESTROYED this franchise. He makes Dan Devine look smart. Let's see now, how many mistakes has he made with player moves? Every week it's the same line from MM- "we gotts get it fixed". He does'nt have a clue. Sherman was a much better coach than this clown will ever be and I never thought I'd say that. TT states he hired MM because of the man and not the x's and o's. Gee, does'nt that tell you something about him? Well at least he's honest cause MM does'nt know shit about x's and o's on either side of the ball.


        This team is so far away from being competitive that it's pathetic.


        I would love to buy the we're improving BS but the facts say that so far, TT has not improved us in even 1 area. … What happens IF we end up with a worse record than last season? Are you still gonna tell us we're improving under TT?????????????????????????


        The cap excuse has been worn to death by the TT supporters when in reality there were ways. TT is a freaking moron.


        Pope is a HUGE upgrade over Herron. Good move by TT even if I was the first here to suggest it back in pre-season. Better late than never!


        The sad part is that we are so far away from even having a competitive D that it's depressing. Where is this improvment on D gonna come from? A lot of questions with few answers...........


        I think it all depends on what Thompson does. If he puts this team out on the field , then we'll be lucky to win 5 games.
        Relax nut. Life's too short to be pissed at the world all the time. The FACTS (as you are so keen on) prove without a doubt that you have no more of a clue than anyone else around here. You're self-righteous ego and your inability to get over your grudges is taking you down.

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        • #5
          I get a real kick out of this:

          "It was disappointing because I pride myself on my pass 'pro,' " Colledge said. "I know what I did last year and what I can do this year. He made a great play and I got punished for it."

          Montae Reagor did not make a great play, Colledge let him through the line fucking clean!!!!! I do not like seeing bull shit excuses from a guy that allowed a sack on Favre. The Idiot should have been disapointed in his own stupidity, not making excuses about how he himself got punished for someone elses supposed "great play".

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          • #6
            Originally posted by vince
            Haha, Zool that is perfect.

            nut, the line has a lot of work to do. Everyone knows that.

            Just to remind you of your chicken little stances from last year, here is some of the blithering drivel you spewed about a year ago...
            You know what Vince, I am sure if I wanted to go through the trouble of looking through all of your past posts, I would find a ton of rah rah crap, or as you put it, "spewed blithering drivel", so cut the looking down your nose bull shit, as if your opinions are worth any more than anyone elses around here.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by PackerBlues
              Originally posted by vince
              Haha, Zool that is perfect.

              nut, the line has a lot of work to do. Everyone knows that.

              Just to remind you of your chicken little stances from last year, here is some of the blithering drivel you spewed about a year ago...
              You know what Vince, I am sure if I wanted to go through the trouble of looking through all of your past posts, I would find a ton of rah rah crap, or as you put it, "spewed blithering drivel", so cut the looking down your nose bull shit, as if your opinions are worth any more than anyone elses around here.
              Go ahead Blues. I encourage you to do so. Everyone's opinions are open for scrutiny here.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by vince
                Go ahead Blues. I encourage you to do so. Everyone's opinions are open for scrutiny here.
                Nah, quite all right. For the most part, I have always enjoyed your posts vince, but I really hate seeing anyones opinion getting belittled. heh heh, I tend to get a lot of that myself.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by PackerBlues
                  Nah, quite all right. For the most part, I have always enjoyed your posts vince, but I really hate seeing anyones opinion getting belittled. heh heh, I tend to get a lot of that myself.
                  Except when the belittling party has echoed your comments in the past apparently.
                  "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
                    Originally posted by PackerBlues
                    Nah, quite all right. For the most part, I have always enjoyed your posts vince, but I really hate seeing anyones opinion getting belittled. heh heh, I tend to get a lot of that myself.
                    Except when the belittling party has echoed your comments in the past apparently.
                    I dunno Harv, there does seem to be a gang mentality in these forums at times though, perhaps like a prison gang mentality........join up with others, or be someone elses bitch? Either way, calling someone elses point of view or opinion "blithering drivel" just does not seem right to me. Sorry if that bothers you.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by PackerBlues
                      Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
                      Originally posted by PackerBlues
                      Nah, quite all right. For the most part, I have always enjoyed your posts vince, but I really hate seeing anyones opinion getting belittled. heh heh, I tend to get a lot of that myself.
                      Except when the belittling party has echoed your comments in the past apparently.
                      I dunno Harv, there does seem to be a gang mentality in these forums at times though, perhaps like a prison gang mentality........join up with others, or be someone elses bitch? Either way, calling someone elses point of view or opinion "blithering drivel" just does not seem right to me. Sorry if that bothers you.
                      Constant negativity can be just as bad can it not?
                      Originally posted by 3irty1
                      This is museum quality stupidity.

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                      • #12
                        You open yourself up to a "gang mentality" when you make a post belittling other people's opinions.
                        "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Zool

                          Constant negativity can be just as bad can it not?
                          You are right Zool, and if rehashing what I see going on with this team and the "what if's" regarding how the team could have been better is negative than I am guilty of that and you have my sincere apology.

                          At the same time, it is simply the opposite point of view to those that simply point out the good things going on with this team while pointing out the "what if's" that they see happening if the team evolves the way that they hope it will.

                          Differing opinions by people being either optimistic, or pessimistic. Nothing to get upset about, and certainly nothing to bash each other over. We are all fans of the Packers, and want nothing but the best for the Packers.

                          So, in the words of the famous Rodney King,................ "Quit hitting me"! lol

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                          • #14
                            This is a ridiculous thread. Some here are out of their collective minds. A VERY YOUNG offense, without Jennings came out and did just enough. The fact we won this game is a fucking miracle. Philly is better than us right now. Period. Our team showed balls of steel and a heart of iron yesterday against one of the best defenses in the league. My God!!

                            What I saw, was that, if Brandon Jackson gets some holes, he is God awful hard to take down, and has a very quck juke move, he uses his hips and feet very well to make people miss, and he will do well if given the chance.

                            Philly's prone to give up the run? Are you on f'n Prozac? Go online and read off player by player their d-line and backers. You are out of you're mind. This game was going to be won by defense and special teams. Period. That's why I didn't even give us a chance. Because I felt they were better in both those categories, and probably are, we just made plays yesterday, big ones, and never quit. This team proved it is confident and how could you not play you're ass off for a QB as committed to winning as Favre showed yesterday. They knocked the shit out of him, and he just kept on ticking.

                            To analyze our offense from this game is insane. Philly will be in the top five defensively all year if they stay healthy. We pulled this one out of our ass, and should be thankful. 53 players busted their asses out there and wanted it more than a team loaded with talent on both sides of the ball. Our offense is better than they showed yesterday, I quarantee it.
                            "...one thing about me during the course of a game, I get emotional and say things my grandmother lets me know about later. But nobody wants to win on that field anymore than I do, no one." Brett Favre

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by 4and12to12and4
                              This is a ridiculous thread. Some here are out of their collective minds. A VERY YOUNG offense, without Jennings came out and did just enough.
                              I agree with most of your post. But you can't possibly think the O-line played OK. I don't care who they were facing.

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