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[Zool]

Constant negativity can be just as bad can it not?

You are right Zool, and if rehashing what I see going on with this team and the "what if's" regarding how the team could have been better is negative than I am guilty of that and you have my sincere apology.

At the same time, it is simply the opposite point of view to those that simply point out the good things going on with this team while pointing out the "what if's" that they see happening if the team evolves the way that they hope it will.

Differing opinions by people being either optimistic, or pessimistic. Nothing to get upset about, and certainly nothing to bash each other over. We are all fans of the Packers, and want nothing but the best for the Packers.

So, in the words of the famous Rodney King,................ "Quit hitting me"! lol

I'm all for healthy debate. I'm all for meaningful discussions, but you know damned well thats not always the case. Not every single post has to be whats wrong. I'm not specifically pointing at you either I'm just trying to make a general point. Negativity breeds negativity.

The idea behind a message board is a place where people can share ideas and talk about common subjects. You say that there is a gang mentality and that unpopular thought is chastised and ridiculed, but does it seem that everyone who's chastized is the same group thats always negative, dispariging and sometimes down right pissy in their posts?

I think the O-Line played like shit yesterday, but I dont follow that point up with a "Ted Thompson is a moron because...." diatribe. I could go on for days about my displeasure with Mike Sherman's drafting skills, but I dont. I could go into the romper room and bitch about all sorts of stupid shit but I dont.

People like to talk, discuss and debate. Most do not like listening or reading people bitching. If you've made a point more than 5 times and continue making the exact same point, people are either going to lash out at you or stop reading all together. As a mod, its my job to make the second one not happen. If people stop reading, they stop posting.

[PackerBlues]

This game was going to be won by defense and special teams. Period. That's why I didn't even give us a chance. Because I felt they were better in both those categories, and probably are, we just made plays yesterday, big ones, and never quit. This team proved it is confident and how could you not play you're ass off for a QB as committed to winning as Favre showed yesterday. They knocked the shit out of him, and he just kept on ticking.

To analyze our offense from this game is insane. Philly will be in the top five defensively all year if they stay healthy. We pulled this one out of our ass, and should be thankful. 53 players busted their asses out there and wanted it more than a team loaded with talent on both sides of the ball. Our offense is better than they showed yesterday, I quarantee it.

awesome! Thats a point of view I can get behind. I am negative and pessimistic by nature. To me, a pessimist is nothing more than an optimist with experience. Thank god for posts like this to help guys like me get by week to week. A different point of view is not always appreciated, but when its put across like this one, I for one, can certainly appreciate it.

[Noodle]

Philly is a good D, but their LBs are raw. One guy is effectively a rook, having been on IR last year, the other guy was a rook last year, started about 6 or 7 games, and is playing a new position, MLB, after they let Trotter go. Spikes is a stud, but this is his first year in Philly. They will be better by week 7 than they are now.

They do have a very good DL, but their tackles are known more for being run stoppers than pass rushers. What's the point? Here's the point -- lour OL got the stones put to them by a very good, but not great, defensive unit. Maybe, as Patler posits, it's the scheme. Me, I think our guys just aren't that good. Whatever it is, I don't think it's something that we're just going to be able to fix, but rather is something we're going to have to deal with. All season long.

[VanPackFan]

The Packers won yesterday's game through a combination of special teams and defence.
Aren't those the same facets of the game that have fueled the Chicago Bears revival in recent years. I wouldn't apologize for gutting out a win that way. Not for one second.

Did the offence suck? Hell yeah.
The offensive line was absolutely putrid, and everyone on that line knows it. What encourages me is that, imo, the offence played about as bad as it possibly could yesterday and the Packers still won the game.
As they say, no where for the offence to go but up. If the line pulls the pass protection together next week and Jennings is back on the field, there's no reason Green Bay shouldn't be able to put up some nice passing numbers against the Giants secondary.
Run blocking isn't a strength of the unit so I'm keeping my expectations low, but I don't pin any of the blame for yesterday's run futility on Brandon Jackson. On the few (very very few) plays in which he was given any room to run, he showed some of the speed and quickness that prompted TT to draft him.
And he held up reasonably well in pass protect, an area I was really concerned about.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Good take, Vancouver. Welcome to the board!

[Fritz]

If you've made a point more than 5 times and continue making the exact same point, people are either going to lash out at you or stop reading all together.

If you've made a point more than 5 times and continue making the exact same point, people are either going to lash out at you or stop reading all together.

If you've made a point more than 5 times and continue making the exact same point, people are either going to lash out at you or stop reading all together.

If you've made a point more than 5 times and continue making the exact same point, people are either going to lash out at you or stop reading all together.


If you've made a point more than 5 times and continue making the exact same point, people are either going to lash out at you or stop reading all together.

If you've made a point more than 5 times and continue making the exact same point, people are either going to lash out at you or stop reading all together.


Lash away...unless you stopped reading.

Right on, Zool. If your point is negative, people get tired of the negativity. If your point is pure Pollyanna, people are going to get tired of your lack of reality.

Personally, I enjoy the ability as a fan to change my mind - often in the same post. At the same time, I also think that if people are going to get bitter in their constant criticisms, a little accountability doesn't hurt.

[MJZiggy]

What was that, Fritz? I stopped reading...

[woodbuck27]

This forum is going to erupt if we can't accept the differences that we are going to have here because of the state our offense was left in.

Any Packer fan would have to be either not into it or deluded to support the neglect our team has suffered on the offensive side of the ball.

It is too obvious and when some Packer fans here illustrate evidence of that fact they are the ones that get bashed or harassed. Told to keep quiet in diferent manners of what some may deem polite.

Everyone here has to take a good and honest look at themselves.

Now the season has begun and we stumbled upon a win against a team we had no business defeating yesyerday. That is just great, but if there are some here that feel we arn't playoff bound and post evidence of that what damage is it doing to those of you that are on the other side?

Remain with your convictions and stop the harassment and whineing if the stance disagrees with your delicate psyche. PLEASE.

STOP pushing or bullying other's here around and stop continuing to muzzel those here that hate our situation offensively.

Last time I checked I lived in a democrasy. Last time I checked a difference of opinion or evidence to support a stance was part of the democratic process. Debate is healthy as long as it's polite debate.

Being Canadian I have real difficulty with anything that denys me or intimadates my rights of fair speech and expression.

Being a Packer fan I will do all I can to ensure that we don't suffer another off season as e just did.

The season has begun and thes proof will be in the pudding.

GO PACKERSv !!

[MJZiggy]

On the other side: if the Eagles can't do much against our defense, who will? San Diego might be the only one.

Give it a few games Harvey. Wait till the season is half over then we'll see just how great our 'D' is.

Will you do the same for the offense? Or it too obvious for us minions to see?

[RashanGary]

I freaked out a little yesterday because of how bad the Oline looked. McCarthy seemed pretty genuine about getting it fixed.

HH had a great point. We have one piece of information; one dot on a graph if you will. Let's see where it takes us. IF there is a steady up climb with a few bumps in the road, we're on playoff track. If we stay the same, we're probably pressed to go 8-8.

Right now it's still wait and see although I agree that it looked really bad yesterday.

[VanPackFan]

Assuming we can all agree that the offensive line was atrocious, can we start unearthing reasons why that might have been?
What did people notice? Obviously College had a handful of rough snaps. Do we feel Tauscher and Clifton have both hit the veteran wall or is this merely a bump in the road for two established tackles?
Do we feel comfortable with Junius Coston at guard in place of Spitz and does the teflon man, Scott Wells feel any heat? I never see him blamed for much of anything. Maybe he's too likeable and quotable to hate?

I thought the running back pass protect was as good as to be expected yesterday. So instead of beating the same dead horse — offensive line sucked!!! — let's see if we can be constructive and come up with some reasonable suggestions A) why and B) what can be done to improve.

[MJZiggy]

I think I'm gonna like having you around here...

[vince]

This forum is going to erupt if we can't accept the differences that we are going to have here because of the state our offense was left in.

Any Packer fan would have to be either not into it or deluded to support the neglect our team has suffered on the offensive side of the ball.

It is too obvious and when some Packer fans here illustrate evidence of that fact they are the ones that get bashed or harassed. Told to keep quiet in diferent manners of what some may deem polite.

Everyone here has to take a good and honest look at themselves.

Now the season has begun and we stumbled upon a win against a team we had no business defeating yesyerday. That is just great, but if there are some here that feel we arn't playoff bound and post evidence of that what damage is it doing to those of you that are on the other side?

Remain with your convictions and stop the harassment and whineing if the stance disagrees with your delicate psyche. PLEASE.

STOP pushing or bullying other's here around and stop continuing to muzzel those here that hate our situation offensively.

Last time I checked I lived in a democrasy. Last time I checked a difference of opinion or evidence to support a stance was part of the democratic process. Debate is healthy as long as it's polite debate.

Being Canadian I have real difficulty with anything that denys me or intimadates my rights of fair speech and expression.

Being a Packer fan I will do all I can to ensure that we don't suffer another off season as e just did.

The season has begun and thes proof will be in the pudding.

GO PACKERSv !!

Woody you are completely missing the point. There is no problem whatsoever with differing opinions. The problem is when certain posters state their opinions as facts that only idiots could possibly disagree with, and constantly denigrate posters as "blind," "stupid," "moron," and self-righteously rub everyone's nose in the mud if they happen to be right about something, then they open their posts and opinions up to the same level of scrutiny and criticism they bestow on others. When posters state their opinions respectfully, I think they are treated with respect.

I fully understand that by coming on strong at times, I open myself up to the same type of behavior, and I accept that with no problem. Trust me, I won't be whining about being mistreated. I'll argue the facts.

Someone said a while back that people tend to get what they deserve around here. That's how it should be.

[Scott Campbell]

STOP pushing or bullying other's here around and stop continuing to muzzel those here that hate our situation offensively.

What a bunch of crap Woody. In this same post you imply that those that disagree with you are dellusional.

You are definitely a BIG part of the problem.

[b bulldog]

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