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wow, think the nut hates TT. Yea our offensive line looked pretty bad yesterday, but them guys are only in their second year. They haven`t learned all the tricks of the trade yet. Even Kampman said he is still learning things. This line is very talented to play like they are (except for yesterday) with as little as experience as they have. It was the first game, against a very physical and veteran Defense. WE WON AND WE SHOULD BE SMILING EAR TO EAR AND REJOICING TOGETHER. Lets have a beer and celebrate being 1-0. Mccarthy is going to be a great coach, I can see it in him, we`ll be fine. I dont expect a huge amount of production from the O-side this year it will be our D that wins most of the games. But today I`m happy cause I`m a Packer fan and we just kicked the eagles to the curve.
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haha great post Vince.
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yesterday i watched as one of my greatest fears appered before me
i was right
our offense is not going to be "alright", or "just fine"
i watched as our offense couldn't do a god damn thing yesterday. there was and still is plenty of room for improvement on the o side of the ball. yet TT didn't think so
we now has what looks to be a championship caliber defense and an NFLE caliber o-line and backfield
we're almost better off to punt on first downs at this pointComment
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Prior to the first regular season game I thought people were more concerned about our running backs than our offensive line.
Here's how I viewed the line...
Tausher - solid
Colledge - solid with upside
Wells - solid
Spitz - solid with upside
Clifton - solid with downside
Coston - untested with upside
Now our offensive line is NFL Europa calibre? Isn't that a bit drastic? They may not be a top 10 unit, but I certainly would say they're better than half the teams in the league, and with enough potential to improve to a top-10 unit.
This offensive line proved they can successfully function over a 16-game season last year, and they did it through a spate of injuries and inexperience. Granted, McCarthy often left in extra blocking, but the rookies in the interior did NOT embarrass themselves.
So there's your base. There's what we know they CAN do.
If they continue to not do it, there are two logical explanations... A) there has been a serious regression across the board or B) there is a problem with the zone blocking scheme.
Option A is a killer, but it's also extremely unlikely that a talented group has suddenly become bad. Option B is also a killer, but it's a fixable situation if the coaching is there. I prefer to go with option B and I prefer to think the offensive line situation will improve weekly.If it doesn't matter who wins or loses, then why do they keep score?
Vince LombardiComment
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This is gonna sound screwy coming from me, but I think you are all being a little hard on our Offense a little to soon. As soon as the regular season started for the Packers at noon Sunday, these rookies and young pups of Thompsons, became our boys, our team. No Rany Moss's, no Ahman Greens......
.......... the Packers just played against what is supposed to be one of the top 5 Defenses in the league. All of us already knew that our O-line was not much better than average. Many of us assumed they were getting better, but we didn't know for sure, I still don't think that we know for sure. Dont ya all think that maybe we should see how our O-line fairs against a defense that isn't quite so damned good before we throw in the towel? I will tell you all one thing, I fully expect Favre to have a better passing game against teams with lesser Defenses than the Eagles. I see no reason why our running game wouldn't do better as well.Comment
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Originally posted by JustinHarrell
Your freaking was genuine at least; it was nice to see you not stumbling around all drunk on Kool Aide once
I'm happy with the win.
Before the game, I thought our OL was below average, our TE's were below average, our RB's were way below average, and our offense was below average. While Phily IMO is not a top 8 defense, nothing that occured yesterday surprised me.
I'm content for getting a win with what we had.
But we won so I'm justTERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWERComment
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You are more optimistic than meOriginally posted by VanPackFan
I'd go
Clifton - solid, and better on pass versus the run
Tauscher- solid, and better versus pass than run
Spitz- challenged on both
Coston-challenged
Colledge- average with upside-better versus pass then run
Wells- solid
I would not automatically put us in the top half if you throw age and upside out the window. I'd consider this overall to be a below average unit. Possibly way below average on run blocking and slightly above average on pass blocking.
With that being said, Favre was running for his life most of yesterday and I've never been at a game and witnessed Favre get knocked on his @ss nearly as much as he did against Phily.TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWERComment
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Originally posted by PackerBlues
I don't agree that Phily is a top 5 defense. Maybe top 8-12TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWERComment
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OK, Who are you and how did you get PB's password? Nice post. I agree with it.Originally posted by PackerBlues
"Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg JenningsComment
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Great post.Originally posted by vinceHaha, Zool that is perfect.
nut, the line has a lot of work to do. Everyone knows that.
Just to remind you of your chicken little stances from last year, here is some of the blithering drivel you spewed about a year ago...
Relax nut. Life's too short to be pissed at the world all the time. The FACTS (as you are so keen on) prove without a doubt that you have no more of a clue than anyone else around here. You're self-righteous ego and your inability to get over your grudges is taking you down.Originally posted by the nuthttp://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/vi...ghlight=#72353
I hope those few TT backers out there see the light. This guy is brutal from his coaching choice to player evaluating. There is not 1 damn thing that TT is good at as a GM.
Well after watching parts of all today's games, we can honestly start debating who our #1 pick should be next season… I've watched the other teams who are in the running for the #1 pick. Buffalo, NYJ and even the Niners are way ahead of us talent and coaching wise. …There really is'nt gonna be anything else to discuss Packer wise this season so why not try something positive? Now things can change but IF Green stays healthy and shows he can be our #1 back next season, then we gotta go with Mr Irish. Brady has the potential to be the next Brett Favre. Now if Green can't handle it then we gotta go RB and there will be a bunch to choose from. Ok, let the great debate begin!
Where will the Pack pick [in the 2007 draft]?
Packnut: Top 3.
It's gonna take some time and it will be very painfull, but after we are embarrassed week in and week out and as the losses pile up, most of the "optimists" will realize that TT has set this team back more than Sherman ever did.
Woodson has to GO. NOW! SEND A MESSAGE
Packnut: Good post and very accurate.
The fact that any of you would defend this guy after yesterday is mind-boggling to say the least. It's one thing to get beat by Heap or Shockey but when you get beat by the worst TE in the game, you have more problems than just technique.
No my arguement is that he is not TALENTED enough to build a winning team and I believe the FACTS to date prove it.
Your faith in the drafting talents of TT amaze me. He has done NOTHING to even give a glimmer of hope. If you think stock-piling high draft choices is the answer, then you don't have a clue. Several teams have gone that route with no success. A GM need's to be able to bring in the right FA's and mix them in with the youth and I'd say there has been enough evidence to point out that TT is lacking in player evaluation skills.
This season will continue to suck and going 3-13 should'nt be a shock to anyone.
Cleaning house and going young has been tried before and it does'nt work. You need the right mix of vets and we have a GM that sucks at player evaluation. Yep, Woodson sure is worth all that cash. Yet, some will say TT is going in the right direction. There are several of the younger fans in this forum who have no concept of the 70's and 80's and sadly they are going to find out. They will understand how one bad choice has a snowball effect. I just don't see this "future hope" that they have. This team has so many holes, that it's just pathetic......
Well may-be by the end of the season, many of you TT supporters will open your eyes and see that this guy has DESTROYED this franchise. He makes Dan Devine look smart. Let's see now, how many mistakes has he made with player moves? Every week it's the same line from MM- "we gotts get it fixed". He does'nt have a clue. Sherman was a much better coach than this clown will ever be and I never thought I'd say that. TT states he hired MM because of the man and not the x's and o's. Gee, does'nt that tell you something about him? Well at least he's honest cause MM does'nt know shit about x's and o's on either side of the ball.
This team is so far away from being competitive that it's pathetic.
I would love to buy the we're improving BS but the facts say that so far, TT has not improved us in even 1 area. … What happens IF we end up with a worse record than last season? Are you still gonna tell us we're improving under TT?????????????????????????
The cap excuse has been worn to death by the TT supporters when in reality there were ways. TT is a freaking moron.
Pope is a HUGE upgrade over Herron. Good move by TT even if I was the first here to suggest it back in pre-season. Better late than never!
The sad part is that we are so far away from even having a competitive D that it's depressing. Where is this improvment on D gonna come from? A lot of questions with few answers...........
I think it all depends on what Thompson does. If he puts this team out on the field , then we'll be lucky to win 5 games.
Harsh, but needed to be said.Comment
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I'm not going to lie to ya Bretsky, I was not the least bit happy with our O-line, in particular, the way that they protected Favre........or I guess I should say the way that they did not protect Favre.
I was one of the guys bitching about being sick of the max protection. I was one of the guys who was sick of seeing our TE's having to stay back to help protect Favre.
From my point of view, the training wheels just came off of our O-line. We are going to see some scraped knees, and thats going to be a part of the growing pains that we are going to have to suffer through watching. Hopefully, Favre is not the one getting the scraped knees, but as much as I hate to say it, for this team to win, it will have to be a complete team effort, and Favre is going to have to take his lumps along with everyone else.
The thought nagging me at the back of my mind, is that it may be more a problem with the coaching, than it is with the players themselves.Comment
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I think that there is alot of unfounded speculation flying around, but since it is the first game I guess that is to be expected.
Firstly, where is this idea that Philly is a top five defense coming from? They weren't very good against the run last year. I thingk that they are strong up front, but I don't see the playmakers that the Ravens, Steelers, or Chargers have. We'll have to see the Eagles play against offenses that are more balanced and dangerous before we crown them.
But really this is an offensive line thread. The expectations for this line were WAY too high. There is now a stock market like correction happening so many are feeling scared. "The line has another year of experience and weight room training, so they will be much improved." This was repeated as Mantra until it became accepted as fact.
Hope and evidence aren't the same. Players like John Jolly and Jim Jones showed in the preseason that they are real contributors, so we shouldn't be surprised when they play well. The line never showed that in the preseason. In fact they didn't get to play much together at all.
This brings me to my last point. It seems that the sparing use of starters in preseaon games may have been wise for players like our aging cornerbacks who play on an island. But it may not have been a good idea for a young unit that has to work in concert. We can hope that they get a better feel as the year goes on.
There is no reason to think that the pass blocking cannot be improved, because there is a proven track record. The doubters may end up being right about the run blocking though.Comment
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Philadelphia is a top 10 defense. I don't think they are top 5, but they are close. Ranking defenses based on yardage is one of the most foolish things around. At least, if that's the only thing people rank them on. Sacks, turnovers, points allowed, 3rd down %, etc. also factor into it. Philadelphia has had a good defense for awhile--even if the yardage totals don't reflect it. They have plenty of talent. Kearse, Cole, and Howard give them three good DEs when they are healthy. They are healthy. Sheppard, Brown, William James (formerly William Peterson of the Giants), and Hanson give them two good starting corners and two good backups also. Dawkins may be the best S in the NFC. Considine had a solid rookie season. Patterson is a solid DT. So, what does that leave? The other DT and LBs. Well, last year's first round pick, Brodrick Bunkley, looks like a different player this year. Takeo Spikes is a solid LB. Nobody has heard of the other two LBs, but that doesn't mean they aren't good. There was a lot of talk last year about how impressive Omar Gaither looked. Maybe he just wasn't quite ready. This year, he looks ready. I suspect he'll be a major upgrade on Trotter. Gocong was a high draft pick last year. He certainly has the physical skills to be a good player. Pretty damn good defense if you ask me.
Last year, Philadelphia was middle of the pack in yardage allowed, but they ranked 8th in interceptions, 5th in forced fumbles, 1st in pass deflections, and 8th in sacks. Those are great stats across the board. That's with injuries hitting them hard. They have better talent to correct their relative weakness last year--run defense up the middle. They are a better defense this year with Bunkley, Spikes, Gaither replacing a washed up Trotter, Will James, and a healthier Jevon Kearse."There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted ThompsonComment
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Nice post on Philly, HW. They did look strong. I expected our offense to be better. Maybe we should tip our hats to Philly. Maybe it was all us. I don't know right now.
I'm pretty sure the Giants aren't a great defense. Let's see how we do this week. I won't be tipping my hat to good defense if we flop again though. At some point they have to step up and play well and after this week that sometime has to be right now if we are to have any amount of confidence in this offense.Formerly known as JustinHarrell.Comment
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I don't even care if the don't ever step up on offense, so long as at the end of the game, I'm writing a W on my schedule."Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg JenningsComment
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