The thing that still bugs me about the draft...

[Lurker64]

For those of you saying that "you'd jump at this deal in a second", which deal are you jumping at:

1) The deal that Thompson was reportedly offered, that is "Packers 2006 first round pick for Browns 2007 first round pick, and Packers 2007 2nd and 3rd round picks for Browns 2nd and 3rd round picks".

2) The deal the Cowboys managed to get out of Cleveland, that is "2006 first round pick for Browns 2007 first round pick and Browns 2006 2nd round pick."


Keep in mind that the Cowboys had a much stronger bargaining position here than the Packers. If Thompson said "Not enough, give us your second round pick and forget about the swap" the Browns can just say "No thanks, we'll call the Jaguars instead." When the Cowboys were on the clock, they had to either take the deal Dallas wanted, or not get Quinn.

[Bretsky]

Could you imagine next year getting McFadden early and somebody like Ike in the middle of round one.

Scary stuff; so unlike TT to turn down this deal.

[RashanGary]

Good point Lurker. Good point on the other teams passing too. It's a tough call. YOu never knwo what you are getting by giving up your pick. It's just a very uncomfortable thing. I think TT hsould have had a better read on the Browns roster and known that they suck though. If he knew that, he might have been more comfortable taking the deal.

With how bad the Browns look, it looks like a horrible pass now. GM's are paid to have forsight. I honestly think he should have known the Browns suck and should have taken the deal. He seemed unsure and not very confident in his decision. I was not impressed iwth the way TT handled that. Usually I am.

[the_idle_threat]

This deal (was it ever actually confirmed that it existed?) would have had the Packers trading out of this year's first round entirely?
Migawd, I can just imagine how the 'win now for Favre' crowd would have reacted to that. At least Harrell could and should be a contributor in the back half of this season. But if TT had failed to provide this team with a first round pick at all in what could be Favre's finale, I think a few heads would have exploded around here.

Welcome to the forum, and this is an outstanding point.

Only in hindsight---knowing that the 1st round pick was Harrell and he's not ready to go yet---does this trade work for the win-now folks.

I'm a win now guy who was not fond of Harrell from the second his name was announced.

I'd have jumped at this deal in a second; what a no brainer.

It may have brought us a franchise back next year, and boy that would have set us up for the future.

Actually, youre proving my point, B.

You're in favor because you know that the pick turned out to be Harrell, and you don't like the pick. In that case, of course the trade would have been a better deal.

But if TT had traded the pick, we never would have known (or guessed )he would have picked Harrell. It could have been anybody who went after the 15th pick. It could have been Maechem, who you were fond of, or Olsen or another sexy weapon for the offense.

Years later, it could have been anybody in the bottom of round one who turned out after the fact to be a Pro-Bowler.

Especially for the win-now folks who wanted instant gratification for the offense, it would have been a head-exploding move. If trading down in the same draft is mocked and maligned by so many, than how could we have tolerated trading down chronologically to next year's draft? Again---assuming we want to win now?

[Joemailman]

I could understand obsessing over this from April to August, but now? It's football season, and we're in first place. Right now I'm glad we beat Philly, and if there's anything I'm worried about, it's the play of our offensive line, not some alleged deal TT didn't make 5 months ago. I guess for some, questioning TT's moves is never out of season. I just think it's best left for the off-season.

[Bretsky]

This deal (was it ever actually confirmed that it existed?) would have had the Packers trading out of this year's first round entirely?
Migawd, I can just imagine how the 'win now for Favre' crowd would have reacted to that. At least Harrell could and should be a contributor in the back half of this season. But if TT had failed to provide this team with a first round pick at all in what could be Favre's finale, I think a few heads would have exploded around here.

Welcome to the forum, and this is an outstanding point.

Only in hindsight---knowing that the 1st round pick was Harrell and he's not ready to go yet---does this trade work for the win-now folks.

I'm a win now guy who was not fond of Harrell from the second his name was announced.

I'd have jumped at this deal in a second; what a no brainer.

It may have brought us a franchise back next year, and boy that would have set us up for the future.

Actually, youre proving my point, B.

You're in favor because you know that the pick turned out to be Harrell, and you don't like the pick. In that case, of course the trade would have been a better deal.

But if TT had traded the pick, we never would have known (or guessed )he would have picked Harrell. It could have been anybody who went after the 15th pick. It could have been Maechem, who you were fond of, or Olsen or another sexy weapon for the offense.

Years later, it could have been anybody in the bottom of round one who turned out after the fact to be a Pro-Bowler.

Especially for the win-now folks who wanted instant gratification for the offense, it would have been a head-exploding move. If trading down in the same draft is mocked and maligned by so many, than how could we have tolerated trading down chronologically to next year's draft? Again---assuming we want to win now?

I like that deal, mainly, because the Browns are terrible and I think it delivers a top8, maybe top 5 pick.

Hearing Harrell was just icing on my view

[Bretsky]

I could understand obsessing over this from April to August, but now? It's football season, and we're in first place. Right now I'm glad we beat Philly, and if there's anything I'm worried about, it's the play of our offensive line, not some alleged deal TT didn't make 5 months ago. I guess for some, questioning TT's moves is never out of season. I just think it's best left for the off-season.

This is more fun that talking about how much our offensive line sucked !

[Deputy Nutz]

That draft really pissed me off. I thought it would have been a wise choice to have made that trade. I wasn't so mad at the Harrell pick, but the fact was I didn't see an impact player at the 16th pick. I thought a trade for rights to the Cleveland pick for next year would have been a no brainer. But oh fucking well

[Lurker64]

I would honestly like an answer to this, for those critical of Thompson not taking the deal.

For those of you saying that "you'd jump at this deal in a second", which deal are you jumping at:".

1) The deal that Thompson was reportedly offered, that is "Packers 2006 first round pick for Browns 2007 first round pick, and Packers 2007 2nd and 3rd round picks for Browns 2nd and 3rd round picks.

2) The deal the Cowboys managed to get out of Cleveland, that is "2006 first round pick for Browns 2007 first round pick and Browns 2006 2nd round pick."

[Bretsky]

I would honestly like an answer to this, for those critical of Thompson not taking the deal.

For those of you saying that "you'd jump at this deal in a second", which deal are you jumping at:".

1) The deal that Thompson was reportedly offered, that is "Packers 2006 first round pick for Browns 2007 first round pick, and Packers 2007 2nd and 3rd round picks for Browns 2nd and 3rd round picks.

2) The deal the Cowboys managed to get out of Cleveland, that is "2006 first round pick for Browns 2007 first round pick and Browns 2006 2nd round pick."

Both

The players who were suppose to go top 12 were all gone and we were supposedly in the next player tier.

And the Browns suck

But regardless who is to say TT could not have asked them to sweeten the deal a bit to make it work ?

[the_idle_threat]

I get the impression that many here would have traded our 1st in '07 for the Browns' first in '08 straight up.

[RashanGary]

Oh god, Bretsky, come off the

5 NFL GM's in a row passed on it. It looks bad. I think TT deserves some level of criticism for seeming unprepared but let's not act like it was a no brainer. I know you hate the Harrell pick and have a problem with TT but the reality of this situation is that it was a borderline move that looks worse every day. The GM's between us and Dallas proved it wasn't a no brainer.

[the_idle_threat]

[T]he reality of this situation is that it was a borderline move that looks worse every day.

I think the problem here is that it was a borderline move that is looking better right now in hindsight.

In the first week of the season, Harrell was inactive, and the Browns looked, well, brown.

This is why we're talking about it now. But people have to realize that it's hindsight. It also doesn't hurt to realize that it's a long season, and both Harrell and Cleveland might turn out to be better than they were in week 1.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Green Bay 16, Philadelphia 13

Green Bay at NY Giants this week.

Win this week and we go 2-1 (at worst) in what looked like a brutal opening three game stretch.

Then, we play at Minnesota, at home vs. Chicago, and at home vs. Washington.

[Bretsky]

Oh god, Bretsky, come off the

5 NFL GM's in a row passed on it. It looks bad. I think TT deserves some level of criticism for seeming unprepared but let's not act like it was a no brainer. I know you hate the Harrell pick and have a problem with TT but the reality of this situation is that it was a borderline move that looks worse every day. The GM's between us and Dallas proved it wasn't a no brainer.

Hey, you used that picture things pretty good

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