Bush Love

[b bulldog]

As I stated it was only one game. i do like Hawk but I think the masses in here have overrated him but since he is a Packer, that's fine.

[Bretsky]

a HYBRID WHO IS OVERRATED. If you want to go back to the draft debate, I also stated that Hawk wouldn't be much better than some of ther other lb's drafted in that class. I was way off base on Carpenter but might of hit a bulleye in regards to Sims and Greenway. Time will tell but Hawk as I posted has done more than Mario but this is a new year and hopefully they both will do well. Mario has had two or three good games in 17 games, bad for the firsdt overall pick but as of now, his 2007 season looks as though he is starting to see what he needs to do or maybe he just got lucky, we'll see. Overrated.......overrated........overrated..

I don't get the overrated; By whose measurables are you using to determine that ? Your own ? Your own judgment based on certain members of the media ?

You keep chanting overrated, and maybe I'm the only one, but I think you are arguing in another language because nobody in here is trying to argue he's a superstar. Just constantly stated I'd take him over Mario.

And I think you said you'd like Carpenter over Hawk; way off. The other three, time will tell.

Honestly I really don't care if I'm right or wrong about any of this; being a Packer fan I just hope Hawk turns out well.

[Bretsky]

As I stated it was only one game. i do like Hawk but I think the masses in here have overrated him but since he is a Packer, that's fine.

NFL ready

[b bulldog]

i did say that about Bobby C as I stated above but the overrated thing is totally a national thing as I stated above. Time will tell on Mario,Reggie and all of the LB's.

[Badgerinmaine]

I have to admit my first thought when I saw this was that this was a Bretsky post for the Garbage Can. :P

I have to admit I've been impressed with how well the Saints have used Reggie Bush without taking away many touches for Deuce McAllister.

[Lurker64]

I don't see how anybody could argue that Reggie Bush isn't overrated. This is the guy who was anointed as the heir to Gayle Sayers before he ever played an NFL down, based on his production in college in a suspect defensive conference. The ratio of his face time to performance is off the charts, considering that NBC was framing the Colts vs. Saints game as "Manning vs. Bush", when last year Bush got 9 touchdowns and 1352 yards from scrimmage. Those are good stats, and Bush is a talent, but they don't in any way justify the amount of coverage and attention he gets.

Nobody's saying he's not good, it's just that "the amount of attention he gets" far outstrips his production, which is pretty much the definition of "overrated."

Jarrett Bush on the other hand...

[Harlan Huckleby]

Bush is an excting player to watch, what more do you want? I guess if you put him up on the Gale Sayers pedestial you can knock him off.

Bush is overrated in the minds of the dumb fucks who bought into the Gale Sayers hype.

[b bulldog]

Intelligent reply

[Partial]

Bush changed the game the same way Michael Vick changed the game. He didn't really at all.

He's a rich man's Desmond Howard.

[Badgerinmaine]

Bush changed the game the same way Michael Vick changed the game. He didn't really at all.

He's a rich man's Desmond Howard.

In a way, but Howard was a different variety of player since he never lined up at running back nearly as much as Bush already has. Howard only had a couple dozen carries in his whole career:
http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/HowaDe00.htm .
I'd bet most or all of those few carries he had were on reverses/end arounds.

I'd agree on the broader point that he hasn't changed the game in large part because he's only been playing in the NFL for a little more than a year and it's too soon to say. If there's a bunch of teams using a guy that way five years from now, that'll be a different story.

[Partial]

Bush changed the game the same way Michael Vick changed the game. He didn't really at all.

He's a rich man's Desmond Howard.

In a way, but Howard was a different variety of player since he never lined up at running back nearly as much as Bush already has. Howard only had a couple dozen carries in his whole career:
http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/HowaDe00.htm .
I'd bet most or all of those few carries he had were on reverses/end arounds.

I'd agree on the broader point that he hasn't changed the game in large part because he's only been playing in the NFL for a little more than a year and it's too soon to say. If there's a bunch of teams using a guy that way five years from now, that'll be a different story.

You're starting to see the "athlete" in college have a place on the team. Be it Noel Devine, Percy Harvin, Ted Ginn, Devin Hester, etc.