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**Tarlam!** · 05-03-2006, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by MJZiggy

Amazing you even let Brett tell you who to sleep with! You really trust his opinion!

BOMNF!

**mraynrand** · 05-03-2006, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers

Originally posted by mraynrand

"I basically looked at it as Javon Walker's feelings were hurt by Brett Favre and those feelings could not be repaired."

That places the blame squarely on Favre's shoulders, despite the rest of the doublespeak by Sharpe.

Not that I can see. He said his feelings were hurt. That might be true, but he never said that Favre wrong for saying it.

The point is not whether Favre was wrong, but whether he was to blame for Walker wanting out. I think Sharpe was very clear:

1) Brett Favre hurt Javon Walker's feeling
2) Walker's feelings were hurt irrepairably
3) I'm assuming 'irrepairably' means he wouldn't return under any circumstances
Therefore (according to Sharpe), Favre is the reason (at fault) for Walker leaving the team.

**Scott Campbell** · 05-03-2006, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by mraynrand

The point is not whether Favre was wrong, but whether he was to blame for Walker wanting out.

I don't think you can necessarily blame Favre for that either. You can blame Walker for having such a thin skin.

**MadtownPacker** · 05-03-2006, 09:08 PM

Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby

Favre made a terrible mistake in publicly taking sides in a teammate's contract dispute.

A lot of you cling to theory that this was Favre exercising leadership. But that is because you agree with the side that he took! If Favre came-out and said Walker was underpaid, I don't think you would be calling him a bold leader.

The proof is in the pudding. Favre's comments did nothing but damage his relationship with a key teammate and hurt the franchise.

Taking sides in someone else's contract dispute is out of line. A lot of you are blinded to this obvious bit of wisdom because you are biased aganst Walker's postion.

Complete foolishness and makes it obvious that you are sick, in the head that is.

Like everyone has told you, Favre called out the Packers on Bubba behalf and everyone felt it was cool. To say that Favre "damaged his relationship with a key teammate and hurt the franchise" is crazy because by the time Favre said it walker and your lover drew brokenhaus had alrerady announced walkers intentions. Hell it might have even been after the holdout started but the bottom line is walker put himself against the Packers. walker was the one damaging the team and he was hurting his relationship with teammate that helped get him the damn ball in the first place.

Favre tooks sides with the Packers. The team that he has played for and been loyal to for almost a decade and a half. He called it like it was a didnt sugarcoat anything for the lil baby javon. That called being a man not some like punk who has his daddy speak for him.

**Fritz** · 05-03-2006, 09:14 PM

Thin skin, foreskin - this thread has everything but a skin basket, though he may appear in time.

My sense is that Brett probably needed to say that contract disputes are between the player and the team - that's the usual line, and it works for everyone else - but he didn't, it's done, and time to keep on keepin' on.

**mraynrand** · 05-03-2006, 09:34 PM

Favre essentially did say that Walker was underpaid. AGAIN, he only disagreed with the WAY in which Walker was trying to 'rework' his contract. I don't recall exactly what Favre said about Sharpe when he put the Packers over a Barrel, but I think Favre has been consistent - it's okay to want more money, but you shouldn't put yourself above the team.

And the point of this thread remains true as far as I can tell - Sharpe is putting the onus on Favre for Walker's trade.

**beakerman** · 05-04-2006, 08:44 AM

I remember back in 04 when Sterling was calling out Javon, saying he wasn't as good as him, because Javons numbers were mostly in garbage time and didn't matter.... If anybody can find the article it was written about the time of the Tennesee game....

**wist43** · 05-04-2006, 09:03 AM

I have contended all along that the Walker mess was TT's fault...

When Walker and his agent approached TT last offseason, TT should have reassured them that Walker was in the teams long term plans, that he was very interested in getting Walker extended, and that as soon as he had the salary cap in order - he would redo Walkers deal.

TT did not do that, he stonewalled him, and ultimately pissed him off to the point where the relationship became unrepairable - when TT DID IT AGAIN THIS OFFSEASON!!!!!

The fact that TT decided to stonewall the best player on the team, and consequently the most underpaid player on the team, is inexplicable.

All of you guys go on and on about "he signed a contract"... blah, blah, blah - this is the salary cap NFL of 2006, not 1976. The best GM's recognize top shelf talent, and they find creative ways to acquire them and sign them to long term contracts (Shanahan).

At the end of the day, the Packers have lost their best player... none of you can be happy about that.

**mraynrand** · 05-04-2006, 09:32 AM

Ok, let's go the TT route. Wist, you make some interesting arguments about TT, but really it's just speculation, right? TT has been totally inscrutable. Here's another totally unprovable speculation to chew on:

TT DID consider signing Walker long term and decided against it. TT has a master plan in place to remake the Packers into a defense-first, ball control (running game) offense. Every move he's made has been with that goal in mind. Walker was a deep threat, jump ball receiver who ran marginal routes - not the possession, after-the-catch receivers TT wanted (look at the receivers who were successful in Seattle - they all fit the Murphy/Jennings/Boerichter/Gardner profile). TT obviously didn't count of Walker threatening a hold out or getting injured, but he's making the best of it, and reconfiguring the team the way he wants it.

One mistake (unless TT really wanted to get rid of Walker at some point) was not signing Walker to a new deal the minute he came into camp (not knowing Walker would be injured of course). By signing Walker, TT could have sent a message that they reward guys who pay their dues and don't hold out. The negative side is that it would have been claimed as a victory by Rosenhaus,and Walker still may have been injured just the same.

Still, there's something funny about injuries to guys who hold out and/or are playing in contract year. Some guys, perhaps like Walker, play scared, worrying about getting hurt, and somehow increase their chances of being injured. On the play where Walker was hurt, it seemed like he was trying to avoid contact, instead of laying out for a TD. This is a total guess, but perhaps there was something going in the back of his mind telling him to be careful since he wasn't signed to a long term deal.

How's that for four paragraphs of total speculation. I fear it's going to be a long off-season!

**wist43** · 05-04-2006, 09:43 AM

I wasn't speculating about TT stonewalling Walker... he told Walker to take a hike, and then he told everybody thru the media that he told Walker to take a hike.

I'm sure he didn't use that terminology, but that's the long and short of it.

Shanahan, and several other GM's in the league see Walkers value - TT doesn't.

A talent like Walker doesn't come along every day, and TT just blew him off... Denver got one hell of deal, and one hell of a player. A second round pick for a pro bowl calibur WR???

I like this past draft, but I'm going to hold a grudge on this Walker thing... I'll never forgive TT for screwing us out of a pro bowl calibur WR.

**Tarlam!** · 05-04-2006, 10:34 AM