Official Winners & Losers of Week 2

[HarveyWallbangers]

The problem with telling TT to go out and get somebody now is that there isn't anybody to get. It's one thing to lament the lack of FA signings during the offseason, but at this point the best options are going to be washed up veterans or young players with less upside than the ones that we have. And anybody that we trade for or sign would need some time to learn the system.

I would prefer that we make a commitment to the young guys that we have. It's only been two games, and they improved steadily over the course of the season last year. Here's hoping for more of the same this year.

Well said, sir!

[Scott Campbell]

I don't think Al Harris played very well, and I'd have left him out of the winners discussion. Didn't he get two flags and get beat badly for the TD?

Who brought up Al Harris as a winner? His play and Woodson's play was average on Sunday.

Under the Team Defense sub-section in Winners you wrote "Al Harris gave up a touchdown in the second quarter to Burris, but other than that had good coverage most of the day."

I thought Al's play was a little less than avearage for him.

[Patler]

Jennings won't lose his job.

Driver plays the flanker normally, Jennings plays the split end. Driver is the better receiver and is better at beating jams so he lines up as a back.

Right now, Driver is playing split end and Jones is playing flanker. I guess it is probably helping Jones beat press coverage, but DD is their big play receiver and he isn't the first option on these passes with Jennings out.

Once Jennings is healthy, he'll be a great #2 option, and Driver/Jennings will play the slot, Jones will play the flanker, and the other will play the split end.

With Jennings smoothness, DDs effectiveness after the catch, and JJ's physicality, that is a pretty solid 3 receiver set.

Comletely agree; Jennings is a more fluent route runner and is faster than Jones. Jones should be much more effective when Jennings has the 2nd best CB covering him It will be nice when that day comes

If Jennings doesn't get back soon he will have to win his job back before he can lose it. He has been a nonfactor since game 5 last season. It doesn't matter how fast or fluid he is if he is on the sidelines or hampered by yet another injury. At some point they will have to plan without him.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Ryan’s struggles: Punter Jon Ryan’s poor start has the Packers concerned.

Stock suggested this offseason that Ryan convert from a three-step punter to a two-step delivery with the hope that he would be more consistent than he was last season, when he ranked ninth in the NFL in gross average (44.5 yards) but tied only for 26th in net average (35.7).

After two games, Ryan’s gross average is 39.4 yards and his net average is 38.0 yards.

“The steps aren’t getting him in trouble,” Stock said. “Lining the ball up is getting him in trouble. It’s got to be in a position where he’s going to hit it properly off his foot. You want the foot to come over the right shoulder, and he’s not going up and through it because he’s not lining it up properly. The two steps was supposed to correct the problem because he had the same problem a year ago. The two steps was supposed to help him align better.”

Ryan punted well in training camp and during the first three preseason games but has struggled since.

“He’s in a little rut, and we’re trying to help him get out of it,” Stock said. “We’re not looking for 60-yard punts and 20-yard returns. We’re looking for 40-yard punts with no return. He’s just got to get the ball up in the air.”

[Scott Campbell]

Anyone think that Ted might cut Ryan just to piss Woody off?

[Scott Campbell]

Jennings won't lose his job.

Driver plays the flanker normally, Jennings plays the split end. Driver is the better receiver and is better at beating jams so he lines up as a back.

Right now, Driver is playing split end and Jones is playing flanker. I guess it is probably helping Jones beat press coverage, but DD is their big play receiver and he isn't the first option on these passes with Jennings out.

Once Jennings is healthy, he'll be a great #2 option, and Driver/Jennings will play the slot, Jones will play the flanker, and the other will play the split end.

With Jennings smoothness, DDs effectiveness after the catch, and JJ's physicality, that is a pretty solid 3 receiver set.

Comletely agree; Jennings is a more fluent route runner and is faster than Jones. Jones should be much more effective when Jennings has the 2nd best CB covering him It will be nice when that day comes

If Jennings doesn't get back soon he will have to win his job back before he can lose it. He has been a nonfactor since game 5 last season. It doesn't matter how fast or fluid he is if he is on the sidelines or hampered by yet another injury. At some point they will have to plan without him.

And I think he's just one more injury away from being tagged with the dreaded "injury prone" moniker. I like Jennings a lot, but part of being a good player is playing.

[Deputy Nutz]

I don't think Al Harris played very well, and I'd have left him out of the winners discussion. Didn't he get two flags and get beat badly for the TD?

Who brought up Al Harris as a winner? His play and Woodson's play was average on Sunday.

Under the Team Defense sub-section in Winners you wrote "Al Harris gave up a touchdown in the second quarter to Burris, but other than that had good coverage most of the day."

I thought Al's play was a little less than avearage for him.

I think Burris is a tough match up for any corner due to his height and overall size. Harris plays a physical game and that can lead to giving up a play here and a play there against a big athletic receiver. Harris had to have his hands on him otherwise he would have been beaten like a mule all day. two penalties on a guy like Burris isn't great but it isn't horrible.

[Scott Campbell]

I don't think Al Harris played very well, and I'd have left him out of the winners discussion. Didn't he get two flags and get beat badly for the TD?

Who brought up Al Harris as a winner? His play and Woodson's play was average on Sunday.

Under the Team Defense sub-section in Winners you wrote "Al Harris gave up a touchdown in the second quarter to Burris, but other than that had good coverage most of the day."

I thought Al's play was a little less than avearage for him.

I think Burris is a tough match up for any corner due to his height and overall size. Harris plays a physical game and that can lead to giving up a play here and a play there against a big athletic receiver. Harris had to have his hands on him otherwise he would have been beaten like a mule all day. two penalties on a guy like Burris isn't great but it isn't horrible.

I thought Bigby's help on the TD was terrific. That ball just barely got over him. I'd be tempted to lump Bigby in with the winners.

[Joemailman]

We need a center with some beans in his ass.

I'm not sure Brett wants to line up behind a center with beans in his ass.

[Bretsky]

Jennings won't lose his job.

Driver plays the flanker normally, Jennings plays the split end. Driver is the better receiver and is better at beating jams so he lines up as a back.

Right now, Driver is playing split end and Jones is playing flanker. I guess it is probably helping Jones beat press coverage, but DD is their big play receiver and he isn't the first option on these passes with Jennings out.

Once Jennings is healthy, he'll be a great #2 option, and Driver/Jennings will play the slot, Jones will play the flanker, and the other will play the split end.

With Jennings smoothness, DDs effectiveness after the catch, and JJ's physicality, that is a pretty solid 3 receiver set.

Comletely agree; Jennings is a more fluent route runner and is faster than Jones. Jones should be much more effective when Jennings has the 2nd best CB covering him It will be nice when that day comes

If Jennings doesn't get back soon he will have to win his job back before he can lose it. He has been a nonfactor since game 5 last season. It doesn't matter how fast or fluid he is if he is on the sidelines or hampered by yet another injury. At some point they will have to plan without him.

Maybe I"m wrong, but I thought he was relatively healthy in college. But I agree he needs to step up and do so fast; my hope is if he's near health he takes off next week and comes back strong the last thirteen games

[SkinBasket]

I thought Bigby's help on the TD was terrific. That ball just barely got over him. I'd be tempted to lump Bigby in with the winners.

I actually had the opposite reaction. Atari was playing the ball, not the receiver, and he missed it. He had plenty of time to adjust and he simply missed timed his jump or thought he was more athletic than he is and couldn't jump as high as he thought he could. I thought that should have been an easy play for him to at least get a finger on it, especially facing the play.

[mraynrand]

Anyone think that Ted might cut Ryan just to piss Woody off?

I can see this happening. Ted will be thinking: "I can't understand a thing that 'Woodbuck' guy on 'Packerrats' writes, but I'll cut Ryan and piss him off." It doesn't seem far-fetched when you write it out.

[MJZiggy]

Actually, I don't think it really matters. Buck hates TT to the degree that nothing TT does could piss him off worse than he already is...

[HarveyWallbangers]

That was a pretty damn good throw by Manning on the Bigby play. If that ball is in any other spot, he probably doesn't complete it. It happens. Look at the long throw from Favre to Jones. The defense wasn't bad. If the threw is off a little, it gets picked. Favre threw it in his breadbasket from 40+ yards away.

[SkinBasket]

That was a pretty damn good throw by Manning on the Bigby play. If that ball is in any other spot, he probably doesn't complete it. It happens. Look at the long throw from Favre to Jones. The defense wasn't bad. If the threw is off a little, it gets picked. Favre threw it in his breadbasket from 40+ yards away.

I don't doubt the throw. It was spot on. I'm just saying I would expect our safety to come up with a PD on that play, given how he had time and was facing the ball. I wasn't heartbroken about the defense on the play. I just wouldn't praise Bigby was all I was saying.