Vince Young and Jason Campbell respond to Mcnabb

[Harlan Huckleby]

It's like he WANTS me to fail.

This part is true. But the rest is bunk, you aren't trying to post better, if anything your english is getting more broken.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I guess I have a problem with him wanting to blame it on the white folks.

What is "it"? Did he say or imply that his shitty play is due to racism?
Maybe he does think this, I don't know. But this is something you chose to read into it.

I think he would resent, as I do, McNabb crying wolf, even if McNabb does believe it (or at least wants to believe it).

I don't agree with what McNabb said, either his opinion or the wisdom of expressing it. But I just sort of accept it and sniff. The "crying wolf" is a negative spin you added.

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anecdote:
I worked in a research facility once that hired a lot of PHD's, had a black woman friend there. The black people rarely stayed long, because they were in huge demand (affirmative action) and had their pick of high paying jobs at universities and such. (And some of them were incompetent and nobody said anything.)
My friend said, "See, they can't hold on to their black people", as if they were leaving because of racism. This is a highly educated, typically sensible person. She grew up during the civil rights years, 50's & 60's, when it was reasonable to see racism and conspiracy eveywhere.
It takes a couple generations to make significant change: 1 generation to make the change, then a second generation to bury the people with bad memories.

[FritzDontBlitz]

i'm just hoping mcnabb doesnt run himself out of philly with his mouth, cuz there are already rumblings about him finding safe haven in his hometown:

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/mariotti/566135,CST-SPT-jay20.article

yes, he's from a suburb just south of chicago.

and say what you want, do you REALLY wanna see mcnabb replace grossman in chicago? i do NOT wanna see this guy twice a year, i dont care how stupid his comments get he's still dangerous on the field.

definitely more of a threat than grossman....

[the_idle_threat]

I guess I have a problem with him wanting to blame it on the white folks.

What is "it"? Did he say or imply that his shitty play is due to racism?
Maybe he does think this, I don't know. But this is something you chose to read into it.

I think he would resent, as I do, McNabb crying wolf, even if McNabb does believe it (or at least wants to believe it).

I don't agree with what McNabb said, either his opinion or the wisdom of expressing it. But I just sort of accept it and sniff. The "crying wolf" is a negative spin you added.

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anecdote:
I worked in a research facility once that hired a lot of PHD's, had a black woman friend there. The black people rarely stayed long, because they were in huge demand (affirmative action) and had their pick of high paying jobs at universities and such. (And some of them were incompetent and nobody said anything.)
My friend said, "See, they can't hold on to their black people", as if they were leaving because of racism. This is a highly educated, typically sensible person. She grew up during the civil rights years, 50's & 60's, when it was reasonable to see racism and conspiracy eveywhere.
It takes a couple generations to make significant change: 1 generation to make the change, then a second generation to bury the people with bad memories.

C'mon Harlan, you're smarter than this.

"It" = criticism.

I truly believe he's crying wolf. Maybe my opinion is negative spin to you, but it's how I see it.

[Harlan Huckleby]

C'mon Harlan, you're smarter than this.

actually, no

[woodbuck27]

OK, reading that article about Campbell, he is completely disagreeing with McNabb. MrAynRand's tortured interpretation threw me. Campbell largely agrees with the outraged white folk.

McNabb is implying that there is racism lingering out there which puts more pressure on him. I have no problem with this opinion/feeling, altho don't know to what extent it is true. I don't take the next step and accuse him of using this as a crutch.

"McNabb is implying that there is racism lingering out there which puts more pressure on him." fr. above

I sense that McNabb is being merely forthright about what people of color are raised to believe and if smart know is the TRUTH.

I believe that McNabb leaves us with an accurate assessment of what generally we can agree is a fact of life.

Prejudice is a reality. To acknowledge that and prepare yourself to compensate that is smart and proper to gain the edge. Prejudice can only be one's adversary if one is weak in any manner of preperation of an endeavour of success and naive to not be equipped to deal with the lash without undo backlash of defensiveness.

[vince]

Well said Woody.

[woodbuck27]

Well said Woody.

I have been awake all night working on a PC Trojan Horse and I don't feel too sharp Vince.

Yet Thanks all the same.

[Terry]

I guess I have a problem with him wanting to blame it on the white folks. It's a real cop out, and it doesn't do anybody any favors, because it just feeds racial resentment.

Well, that's an interesting comment, particularly the bit I bolded (which I agree with). I also agree with Woodbuck, though I might quibble on "what generally we can agree is a fact of life." I mean, I might see a level of racism akin to what Woodbuck perhaps sees, but I'm not sure that everyone would agree on the degree of racism around us. But I don't want to split hairs.

I think there are two questions here, really - the question McNabb raises and then the question of whether he should raise it at all. In any such issue, such as racism, it's important to put a spotlight on it at every opportunity for a period of time and growth, but there comes a point when that spotlight starts to produce diminishing returns and can actually become counter-productive. For instance, when the NAACP throws in their two cents on the Vick situation, I believe they are eroding their own credibility (and since I think they are an important organization, I hate to see that happen) and that they are actually increasing racial divisiveness.

For all of sports' flaws (e.g., encouraging the tribal instincts), I think there are some very good things they do and one of these is that they have always been a forerunner in breaking down racial barriers. This must be seen in contrast to the society around them, within which they function. At this stage, it would seem to me that sports is one area in which, in regard to racism, the ship is righting itself continually. So the question in my mind is whether McNabb's comments contribute to that or not and I have to agree with the_idle_threat that the comments run the risk of feeding racial resentment. To my mind, it's almost moot as to whether the comments are accurate or not (to whatever degree).

[woodbuck27]

Terry it's so nice to see you here Packer fan.

[Harlan Huckleby]

For all of sports' flaws (e.g., encouraging the tribal instincts),

flaw!? I thought it was the whole point.