Ahman Green

[Terry]

I must admit; I'd be really frickin excited about the potential for this team to go far into the playoffs if TT had Landed Randy Moss and Ahman Green

I would agree, especially regarding Moss. Thompson has said that he made mistakes in the efforts to get Moss. With Green, who knows? He did offer Green a deal before FA, but Green wanted to test FA. That might have been more about the length of the contract than the amount. Once Houston made that offer, the only real question is whether Thompson should have matched it.

As GOD may witness this I swear that Ted Thompson's personality (well - no personality) will kill our team in time.

Who would want to play for such a heartless man?

He's like cold stone.

Well, not according to Al Harris, at least based on today's JS Online story about Tauscher's raise:

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=665764

"If you've got a happy locker room with guys that are happy about the business side of it and are enthusiastic about playing, you've got a really good football team," Harris said. "There's no bitchin'. None at all. Not that I know of."

Tauscher now counts $4.743 million against the salary cap, leaving the Packers $11.975 million of room.

"I think Ted's making a statement," Harris said. "They say there's no loyalty in the game, and in some cases that is true. But it really, really means a lot to players when they do come and take care of you.

"Money is a big thing, a real big thing. The thing about it is, if you're feeling you're underpaid, it's hard to go out every Sunday. Last year was hard for me. Ted really did (listen)."

[woodbuck27]

OK Woody. You are obviously intent on standing in front of a young tree and expecting a storm to blow it over and kill it.

I'm intent on watching the thriving forest continue to grow - aided by the rain that will come every now and then.

I like the view from where I stand.

I think or believe that is wonderful to be you Vince.

I just can't for the facts that are in my face believe that we have magically become a real winner when the body of our offence was weak and got weaker.

Control the clock on offense by running the ball. Keep the 'D' off the field and rested as much as possible.

The run sets up the big play pass but we don't have that run and the big reason is TT really believed that he had the right RB's.

How did he get there?

Imagination? Belief in fairy tales. Did he really believe that Morency and Jackson and another would get it done in a positive way?

If he really got there? Was it overconfidence or naivety?

When that backfield continues to sputter will it be just fine to respond - TT that is - in the sense "well I really thought they would do very well but a better direction seems to be prudent ".

As Packer fans we deserve a better product with our offense and to get there we needed better plasyers than we presently have on hand.We neded players like Ahman and Randy Moss.

Imagine how exdcited we would all be with those two talents in our lineup?

TT can't go on missing or shoting blanks.

[RashanGary]

I'm just glad that this team is getting better only to get better, only to find themselves with the means to get better.

TT has shown that he can out perform Sherman as a GM with one hand tied behind his back.

These Packers should be good for many, many years. Indy, NE, Pitts, Packers of the 90's/early 2000's. . . . . It's best to have sustained success. TT made a couple moves that you can look back on and say "he could have or should have done this" but it's the sum of the moves at the end of the day that are going to be the ultimate judge of TT.

You can bitch and whine about TT but at the end of the day the Packers are 2-0 and look better than they have in two years. They are also in a situation finiancially to keep making progress with no end in sight. Things seem on the right track. In 6 or 7 years we'll look back on the whole picture. Right now all we can do is bitch about the one or two moves that didn't work or take the bad with the good and realize this team is moving in the right direction. You seem to think a GM should be perfect, Woody. I think a GM should simply be better than the opposition and nothing about the direction of this team says he's not. Time will tell I guess.

[MJZiggy]

PB, we're two games in and undefeated. You can tell me so after Green and Moss have both survived the season and have done better than our teams. (and in Moss's case, manages to keep his trap shut and out of trouble for the season)

The Lawyer posts.

What in hell has being 2-0 have to do with us losing a real solid Packer like Ahman Green and the fact that Randy Moss woukl have been ours (not in New England) if we had a GM with any GD sense.

Being 2-0 has to do with it because we're winning without either of them. (Not that I don't love Ahman and wish he were here, but he's not.)

Secondly if anyone wanted to go back in time you mj wanted Moss in Green Bay.

I did, but he's not, so about 5 minutes after the announcement was made, I got over it because he doesn't play for us.

Am I right or wrong on both points? mj ???

I'd say you're not.

Ahhh again like a natual Lawyer. Misleading.

Am I not right or not wrong mj?

So you miss Ahman.

I assume that is at least because he's a bettter RB now than what TT supplied or allowed to survive.

Ahman was the choice for way too many reasons for our #1 RB this season. The only reason not to go with a fair and agreeable offer early in 2007 long before FA would be if you were indecisive in general or not aware that should he reach FA he may be gone. You would be playing with his pride if you waited till FA to get him at what you considered a fair cost and then risking being accused of petty behaviour or playing games with a respected and talented Packer.

You admitted that you wanted TT to secure Randy Moss and because he even tried and failed in that pursuit he showed another weakness that even you might have seen.

I guessing then that I am right on both counts in that TT failing to retain Green and not secure Moss for a pick that might have been (again) better timed or as it played out higher than NE's offer of an earlier 4th ( a third ).

The debate here is did TT or didn't TT make an error of managing our team in regards to losing Ahman Green?

Not skilled enough to land Rany Moss compounded our offense in the clear sense that Ahman Green landed in Houston.

TT's job is to put together a winning team Woodbuck. Who he gets to do that is immaterial as long as the wins happen. Therefore, at the moment, I'd say he's doing his job just fine. I don't feel like fighting over things that can never be and that I have zero control over. Vince is right. There's some pretty cool stuff in this forest.

[Patler]

Some of you either have short or selective memories. Per the Milwaukee Journal when Green signed with Houston March 4:

The Packers attempted to sign Green to a contract before free agency started but Green was determined to test the market. (emphasis added)

Green said as much two years earlier, before he lost the 2005 season to injury. He never threatened a hold out or anything to that effect, but routinely said he would do what he needed to in order to determine his "worth", and that when his time came he knew the money would be there from someone.

Green routinely acknowledged he might have been a bit underpaid, but said he never worried about it because his time would come again. He even shopped himself a bit in 2006, before signing the one year deal with GB because it was the best offer.

Thinking Green would have given the Packers a discount, or would have jumped at a lower deal earlier ignores the reality of the situation. For several years Green was hoping to set up a bidding war of sorts for his services. This was his only chance to do that. He wasn't about to forgo his last opportunity for a big payday.

If you want to be upset with TT for not signing Green, I have no problem with that. I had hoped he would. But I think you have to acknowledge that TT would have had to outbid the Texans for him. Personally I wish he had, but I can understand why he did not.

[Scott Campbell]

I must admit; I'd be really frickin excited about the potential for this team to go far into the playoffs if TT had Landed Randy Moss and Ahman Green.

Ahman Green can't fix their running game in my opinion. It's the blocking.

[Scott Campbell]

But I think you have to acknowledge that TT would have had to outbid the Texans for him. Personally I wish he had, but I can understand why he did not.

I think that is the reasonable position. If you're going to err and miss out on somebody, do so on the aging veteran. Or in Moss' case, the career malcontent.

The core of this team appears on the upswing. To call TT our for not signing your favorite player strikes me as nitpicking.

[Patler]

I must admit; I'd be really frickin excited about the potential for this team to go far into the playoffs if TT had Landed Randy Moss and Ahman Green.

Ahman Green can't fix their running game in my opinion. It's the blocking.

I tend to agree with that, not to imply anything negative about Green. As frequently as the backs are running into contact 2, 3 even 5 yards deep in the backfield, no back will fix the running game. Maybe some back would do better than others, but until everyone gets in sync the running game will continue to struggle.

[Scott Campbell]

Woody,

You claim to not hate Ted Thompson and you claim to not have an ego when you provide your analysis.

And I claim to have 7 wives. And BallHawk claims he's 14.


Does anyone really believe any of us?

[Patler]

And I claim to have 7 wives. And BallHawk claims he's 14.

Does anyone really believe any of us?

Ah Hah! I always suspected the number was more than 7!

[Rastak]

I'm just glad that this team is getting better only to get better, only to find themselves with the means to get better.

TT has shown that he can out perform Sherman as a GM with one hand tied behind his back.

These Packers should be good for many, many years. Indy, NE, Pitts, Packers of the 90's/early 2000's. . . . . It's best to have sustained success. TT made a couple moves that you can look back on and say "he could have or should have done this" but it's the sum of the moves at the end of the day that are going to be the ultimate judge of TT.

You can bitch and whine about TT but at the end of the day the Packers are 2-0 and look better than they have in two years. They are also in a situation finiancially to keep making progress with no end in sight. Things seem on the right track. In 6 or 7 years we'll look back on the whole picture. Right now all we can do is bitch about the one or two moves that didn't work or take the bad with the good and realize this team is moving in the right direction. You seem to think a GM should be perfect, Woody. I think a GM should simply be better than the opposition and nothing about the direction of this team says he's not. Time will tell I guess.

2-0 is great and the Packers have looked pretty good. Just remember it's early. Vikings were 4-2 coming off a thumping of Seattle in Seattle last year when their weaknesses started getting exposed. Sometimes it happens but I can certainly understand the optimism. That was a nice set of two wins. If Detroit beats Philly in Philly I'm gonna start wondering just how bad the Eagles are and question how big a win that really was.

[retailguy]

Woody,

You claim to not hate Ted Thompson and you claim to not have an ego when you provide your analysis.

And I claim to have 7 wives. And BallHawk claims he's 14.


Does anyone really believe any of us?

I used to believe everyone.... Then you disappointed me. Today, I believe no one.

(I have it on good information that Woody is a 22 year old Female in Phoenix.)

[retailguy]

2-0 is great and the Packers have looked pretty good. Just remember it's early. Vikings were 4-2 coming off a thumping of Seattle in Seattle last year when their weaknesses started getting exposed. Sometimes it happens but I can certainly understand the optimism. That was a nice set of two wins. If Detroit beats Philly in Philly I'm gonna start wondering just how bad the Eagles are and question how big a win that really was.

I swear this place is starting to look like the Titanic 15 minutes before it hit the iceberg.

I remember what the offense looked like against Philadelphia. Then I watched the Washington offense against Philadelphia.... Jason Campbell looked a lot like Warren Moon in his prime... Jason Campbell is no Warren Moon. What does that say about the Packers offense, OR, the Philadelphia defense?

[MJZiggy]

(I have it on good information that Woody is a 22 year old Female in Phoenix.)

Oh that's gonna go over well...

[Patler]

I swear this place is starting to look like the Titanic 15 minutes before it hit the iceberg.

Do you really think so?
I have been sort of surprised how strongly negative some have remained in spite of the Packers winning their last 6 games. But I agree that we have no idea how significant any of those wins are at this point of this season, because you don't know how good or bad teams are just yet.

Which just goes to prove how meaningless pre-season predictions are. There were quite a few national reporters who wondered how MM would keep the team together after they started 0-4, which they felt was almost a certainty. Many said the best the Packers could hope for was a 1-3 start. Now all of a sudden, it looks like the Packers would have been real bad had they NOT won either of the first two games, and the next two don't seem as hopeless as they did when the schedule came out.

Maybe the Packers presumed "brutal" schedule that would assure they finish worse than last year won't be so bad after all. Then again maybe some of the games that looked very winnable in May, (Detroit?) won't end up being that way.