Ahman Green

[MadtownPacker]

I wouldn't have minded TT showed Ahman the money because he deserved. His current play in houston doesn't matter to me.

[Bretsky]

I wouldn't have minded TT showed Ahman the money because he deserved. His current play in houston doesn't matter to me.

Would have been nice to see him break the Packer record book as well. He was a guy who wanted to play in Green Bay

Saw him at a Milwaukee Bucks game; very friendly guy.

Ahman Green and Donald Driver are two Packers who genuinely seemed to enjoy Wisconsin.

[Freak Out]

I know it's not wise to get sentimental about pro athletes but it was hard to see him go. He made the Packers a pretty damn good team when he was healthy...which was most the time. When Sherman had the offense clicking it was a thing of beauty with Green back there. I wish him well.

[Noodle]

I'm a shameless AG lover. I admit it. Watched him in high school. Loved him at Nebraska. And was thrilled to see him here. I know I'm biased. So I've been keeping my mouth shut about how he's doing in Houston.

But, DAMN, we should have signed him before FA. 4and12, Bretsky, and you others are dead on about this. Why we didn't overpay a little before FA is a friggin mystery to me.

I'm not saying we should have matched Houston's offer. No one says that, (though would it really have hurt us?). I'm saying we should have got it done before then.

AG loved GB. It felt like college to him, which he loved. He lived here year-round, unlike damn near everyone else on the team. I truly believe that if we had come to him strong in week 5 or 6 of the season with some serious up-front jack, he'd still be here.

TT has done good things. I'm not calling for his head. But on this one, he screwed the pooch.

For whatever reason, TT thinks OLs and RBs are a dime a dozen. No, they are not. When you find a pearl, you cherish it and don't throw it away. Here's to a season of 2.7 yards/carry. Yay.

[Fritz]

I don't know. My recollection is that Green wanted to test the waters - and when he did, Houston bowled him over.

I think it'll take two years before we know the effects of his deal with Houston. Right now he looks good for the Texans - but his deal goes, I think, for four years.

Besides, how much ground would he gain behind the Pack's o-line. More than the other RB's here, sure, but even a great back needs some blocking.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

He was thinking he'd be happy to pay Ahman for this year and next but didn't want to pay him after that - too much risk. As he began to put together his proposal, Ahman got a mondo offer from Houston and jumped.

That's what he was thinking.

He was thinking he'd get Ahman at his price and his price only; after all we only had 13-15,000,000 of cap space to work with. It's debateable as to whether he underestimated Ahman's value in this market; but IMO Fred Taylor's deal must have felt like a kick in his jibs because Ahman was going to get similar money.

TT had plenty of time to get this done and the only way to do that was making it happen "before" free agency. Once Ahman hit free agency we lost him because TT mojo was not going to match the best offer.

Ahman has looked good so far this season. Heads and heels better than anything we have. Looking at the cap now TT could have massively frontloaded a deal similar to Woodsen's into this year without effecting the future much at all.

I agree. It is very dumb to be just sitting on 13 million of cap space. Hell give him 10 million this year and the rest of his contract would look very small.

I main reason I wanted AG to stay so bad is because our line is young and lacks experience. It just seemed AG could always make something happen. If we had a line like Denver, one in which you could just plug anyone in, his loss would have had a lesser effect on the team.

[Bretsky]

He was thinking he'd be happy to pay Ahman for this year and next but didn't want to pay him after that - too much risk. As he began to put together his proposal, Ahman got a mondo offer from Houston and jumped.

That's what he was thinking.

He was thinking he'd get Ahman at his price and his price only; after all we only had 13-15,000,000 of cap space to work with. It's debateable as to whether he underestimated Ahman's value in this market; but IMO Fred Taylor's deal must have felt like a kick in his jibs because Ahman was going to get similar money.

TT had plenty of time to get this done and the only way to do that was making it happen "before" free agency. Once Ahman hit free agency we lost him because TT mojo was not going to match the best offer.

Ahman has looked good so far this season. Heads and heels better than anything we have. Looking at the cap now TT could have massively frontloaded a deal similar to Woodsen's into this year without effecting the future much at all.

I agree. It is very dumb to be just sitting on 13 million of cap space. Hell give him 10 million this year and the rest of his contract would look very small.

I main reason I wanted AG to stay so bad is because our line is young and lacks experience. It just seemed AG could always make something happen. If we had a line like Denver, one in which you could just plug anyone in, his lose would have had a lesser effect and the team.

Yup

[GBRulz]

Oh, my favorite topic!

Alot of the deals under the new cap are going to seem "Overpaid", because teams have alot of cap space and have the money to spend. It's going to be a few years before we start seeing cap casualties again.

Green wanted to stay in GB. TT tried to lowball him. Then Green hit FA, got an offer from Houston and TT raised his price. Well, maybe if TT would have offered him that price (whatever it was, we'll never know) to begin with BEFORE FA started, we would still have #30 in our backfield.

Where are all the people who were arguing with me that "Green was old and we'll be fine with Morency and BJ?" Silence speaks volumes.

Yeah, everyone has something that they feel pretty strongly about... for some it was letting Walker go, or not keeping Wahle.....well, it's no secret what mine is Damn freaken Turtle....

[Bretsky]

Oh, my favorite topic!

Alot of the deals under the new cap are going to seem "Overpaid", because teams have alot of cap space and have the money to spend. It's going to be a few years before we start seeing cap casualties again.

Green wanted to stay in GB. TT tried to lowball him. Then Green hit FA, got an offer from Houston and TT raised his price. Well, maybe if TT would have offered him that price (whatever it was, we'll never know) to begin with BEFORE FA started, we would still have #30 in our backfield.

Where are all the people who were arguing with me that "Green was old and we'll be fine with Morency and BJ?" Silence speaks volumes.

Yeah, everyone has something that they feel pretty strongly about... for some it was letting Walker go, or not keeping Wahle.....well, it's no secret what mine is Damn freaken Turtle....

LOL; Great post by the way

[Merlin]

Oh, my favorite topic!

Alot of the deals under the new cap are going to seem "Overpaid", because teams have alot of cap space and have the money to spend. It's going to be a few years before we start seeing cap casualties again.

Green wanted to stay in GB. TT tried to lowball him. Then Green hit FA, got an offer from Houston and TT raised his price. Well, maybe if TT would have offered him that price (whatever it was, we'll never know) to begin with BEFORE FA started, we would still have #30 in our backfield.

Where are all the people who were arguing with me that "Green was old and we'll be fine with Morency and BJ?" Silence speaks volumes.

Yeah, everyone has something that they feel pretty strongly about... for some it was letting Walker go, or not keeping Wahle.....well, it's no secret what mine is Damn freaken Turtle....

I couldn' agree more with you on this one. 3T tried to low ball him like he does with all players. We don't have Moss because of 3T and although it is a dead issue, this just goes along with 3T's general attitude that winning isn't as important as "building for the future". Even though right now we have a lot of young players that will go other places when their contracts are up because of the way 3T manages our cap and his reputation of low balling extensions. You can't roll over the cap into next year. With all of our injuries, why aren't we trying to get a trade done for a veteran WR and RB?

[run pMc]

IIRC, there were discussions during and before last season. He wanted to test FA. TT let him, with the idea that he'd try to match any reasonable offer. The offer from HOU apparently wasn't reasonable.

In truth, it is a very generous offer for a RB on the wrong side of 30 with tough mileage, a bad leg injury in his past, and a history of fumbles. All that said, he was the best RB we had, and it would have been nice to keep him.

The RB woes thus far this year only highlight that -- if Jackson or Wynn had ripped off a 100yd game against PHI or NYG, the grumbling would be quieter.

[Noodle]

GBRulz, you Rulz my heart with that post. Can't be said any better that that.

[The Leaper]

All of you suggesting Thompson should've done something prior to free agency are nuts. Ahman Green WANTED to hit the free agent market. This was his last chance to get a big deal, and he felt pretty confident he could get it because of the lack of RBs available. Good for him...he earned that cash and shouldn't be criticized for not jumping at a hometown discount.

Ahman has looked OK in Houston...but let's see how he looks without Andre Johnson in the lineup this week. I'm guessing his stats take a hit. He can't break big gainers anymore. Would he help Green Bay now? Sure. Would he help Green Bay 2 years from now? Doubtful.

This Packer team has been built young...and is still 2 years away from being a true contender IMO. Thompson knows that. That is why he wasn't going to pay big money to Green. He has to find the NEXT guy at RB...and that won't happen if you keep Green and pay him big time $$$$.

Let's revisit this discussion in 2 years...and I bet the decision to part with Ahman probably will look a lot better. Right now, it is a no-brainer that Ahman is a greater value...but this decision was made with a 3-4 year window in mind.

[rpiotr01]

The 5 million in 2007 the Packers offered him was not a low-ball offer.

[wist43]

He should have a made a deal before FA...

ONCE fa hit, there was no way most people would pay the money the Texans did...

I agree with T.T. for not giving him what the Texans did, But I think he could have gotten him cheaper if he made a deal before FA...

I agree, been saying that since the end of last season... spilt milk now though.