"HARRELL, WAITING AND WATCHING""

[Carolina_Packer]

I don't know if anyone is comdemning Harrell, or the Harrell pick.

I don't disagree with a lot you say, but read this thread again. People have been all over him and TT for this. And not just from a 'Hmm..thats curious' type of approach either.

I think many want as close to a guarantee, lock, immediate helper in the first round as can be found. TT's pick gets an incomplete. It is interesting how he took the approach of a team that was drafting as if they already were stocked up, when to a person after last season most would have said the Packers were still building. I think there is an association between building teams and drafting for need vs. teams who are more successful at the end of the draft, like the Patriots, Colts, who might take more developmental guys, who may or may not impact the short-term.

[Partial]

My hope is that Harrell turns into a player next year. He has the size, strength, speed, etc. One reason that our most recent first round linemen didn't succeed was a lack of size (Jamal Reynolds).

If you watch the kids highlights, it is apparent that he is very good at shedding blockers and disrupting plays.

That fact, paired with an ideal physique, great strength, and a solid work ethic should lead to a successful career.

[Harlan Huckleby]

My hope is that Harrell turns into a player next year. He has the size, strength, speed, etc.

I've heard he is very explosive and physically impressive.

He was good in college one season, so he can play football.

Hard to understand what happened this summer. But it seems likely that he'll come around.

[hoosier]

Hindsight is 20/20, but this was a no brainer for me. TT is my hero, but I don't always agree with my heroes. I would have traded with Cleveland. I bet Harrell would still have been available when we picked.

I doubt he would have lasted till fifth pick of 2nd round. And since for the moment at least the Browns seem to have found an offense, next year's 1 from them might not be so attractive after all.

[HarveyWallbangers]

And since for the moment at least the Browns seem to have found an offense, next year's 1 from them might not be so attractive after all.

Good point. While I'm no believer in the Browns, opinions will turn greatly if Cleveland doesn't finish with a top 10 pick. You don't trade the #16 pick in round 1 one year and not get a guaranteed top 10 pick the next year. It's a crapshoot every year in the NFL, so you can't be sure that a team will be as awful as you think from year to year.

[Sparkey]

Everybody is posting "if Harrell is good next year everything will be fine." Or worse yet, "if he is an all-pro in three years, it will be a good pick."

What a forum full of nitwits.

If Robert Fergusson is an all-pro in three years, that decision to cut him will sure be a bad one. If BJack is good next season, he will be a good 2nd round pick. If I win the lottery I'll surely get laid.

..If a buzzard had a radio in his ass, there would be music in the air..

[MJZiggy]

If I win the lottery I'll surely get laid.

Not necessarily...

[Harlan Huckleby]

If I win the lottery I'll surely get laid.

Not necessarily...

Ziggy, you may be my primary love interest, but I am working other options. Plenty of fish in the ocean, sugar.

[Lurker64]

I bet Harrell would still have been available when we picked..

I believe that the Broncos stated on the record that if Harrell was there when they picked, they would have taken him. Denver was targeting DL in the first round, and after GB took Harrell, there was one DL left that was high on their board, which is why they had to trade up to get Jarvis Moss immediately after GB picked.

So there's approximately no chance whatsoever that he'd be there in the 2nd.

[Bretsky]

I bet Harrell would still have been available when we picked..

I believe that the Broncos stated on the record that if Harrell was there when they picked, they would have taken him. Denver was targeting DL in the first round, and after GB took Harrell, there was one DL left that was high on their board, which is why they had to trade up to get Jarvis Moss immediately after GB picked.

So there's approximately no chance whatsoever that he'd be there in the 2nd.

The article stated Denver had targeted three DL and they intended to get one of them; if they needed to move up they would have. When the second (Harrell) was selected they chose to trade up to make sure they'd get the third (Jarvis Moss).

I don't think they ever stated who their preference was or in what order.

My guess is the third DL was Adam Carraeker

[esoxx]

There's no "on the record" when it comes to the draft. That goes for pre and post draft comments.

[4and12to12and4]

I haven't read one post on this thread, I am just inspired to keep it at the top, I think it may rank in the top 5 for replies. Maybe we can keep it going 'til the end of the season, just for fun, and end up with over 50,000 replies.

[Fritz]

If I win the lottery I'll surely get laid.

Not necessarily...

Ziggy, you may be my primary love interest, but I am working other options. Plenty of fish in the ocean, sugar.

Are you spending all your money on lottery tickets again, Huck?

[Harlan Huckleby]

nah, it's more a matter of casting an increasingly broad net. Internationalize, that's the secret. Age is just a number, and speaking English is overrated. Love is important to me, I can't think of anything more worth paying for.

[woodbuck27]

It's not so much a rip on the Packers as it is a rip on 3T. Before the pick, after the pick, it doesn't really matter. There are not very many supporters of taking Harrell in the first round. More over, there were more pressing needs at the time and once again 3T did what he wanted and not what was in the best interests of the team. If we go 4-0 or 19-0 or 3-13, it doesn't matter. It was a wasted pick then and it is a wasted pick now. That's why I asked how much his contract was worth. How much on the hook are we for this guy and for how many years if we end up cutting him? There were much better options on the board and 3T took the worst option available. It isn't helping us win games sure, but we added depth at the only position we had depth. And people call this guy smart?

If Harrell makes the Pro Bowl in 3 years was it a wasted pick? and coming back and saying it won't happen is an invalid answer. So is saying he won't crack the lineup.

No ! No ! No !

First round draft picks are chosen to make an immediate impact for the team and not sit on the bench for any reason except an injury.

If Justin Harrell was a solid choice we would not be even having this disussion.

The last thing we needed was another DT out of round 1. If TT was in tune he would have gone safety if he desired an upgrade on our D.

Maybe TT might have looked at CB.

I will never agree that picking Justin Harrell was his best move.

Our only hope is that Harrell does prove some value later this or next season. That is beside the point as we needed a productive player in 2007 in round 1.

GO PACK GO !