"HARRELL, WAITING AND WATCHING""

[KYPack]

I knew Jamaal Reynolds, Sir, and Harrell is no Jamaal Reynolds.

Relax. Is Bowe better at this point than James Jones? Me, I'm in the I'd-a-rather-had-a-good-corner. But who? Leon Hall was gone, wasn't he? And I'm still not a big Greg Olsen fan, as far as TE's go.

Man. Give Harrell a year, at least. As someone else noted, TT's first draft is looking better and better with every passing game.

Hall was still there. He went two picks later to the Bengals. He's been toasted a golden brown this season. He's a rookie, like Harrell.

I'm in Harrell's camp. in fact, this is the first time I've ever disagreed with Nutz about a lineman. DL is our deepest personnel group. We've got 11 DL's and Harrell is #11.

Give him time. A torn bicep takes a long time to heal. He needs time in an NFL weight room to bloom. As many have said, he's not in shape. He's a rook and had no idea what an NFL camp is like for a DL. No way he'll show up with such weak cardio next season.

As many have said, he should have known better, but 23 yr olds are funny that way. This kid has shown me some flashes in the pre-season. I think he can actually be a special guy for us. He could be a run stuffer that provides pass rush if he develops properly. That is worth gold to any D Coordinator.

A year of lifting, showing up with good wind, and having NFL reps will make a world of difference with this kid.

I really think he can be a big thing.

[Lurker64]

an inactive first rounder is noteworthy

But a DT doing anything notable in his rookie season is rare at best. Remember, Ryan Pickett was a first round pick by the Rams, sat out five games his rookie year and made fewer than 20 tackles for a poor defense. He's grown into a pretty solid anchor for us, hasn't he? Harrell likely has higher upside than Pickett did, but is coming off an injury. Johnny Jolly saw no action last year until late season his rookie year, and was pedestrian at best then. This year he's one of our best DTs. Rookie DTs just don't do much, historically. It's their second year you want them to make an impact. If Harrell sits out all 19 games this year, I won't be too upset. If he's not making an impact next year, I will be very concerned however.

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You will never look more right than you do right now

you romantic devil

[b bulldog]

the Harrell pick was a eye opener to be sure. If he plays nexzt season and makes a name for himself I will be fine with the pick but if he doesn't do well next year, I will call it a bust because in today's NFL players drafted need to contibute asap. That being said, if Harrell is a bust, that does no way mean the draft was bad. This past draft looks to be strong and to be honest, the best move at the time, and I stated it than was to pull the trigger with the Browns. obviously that didn't happen and now we wait and see if Justin has enough heart to show the naysayers wrong . One thing that really did trouble me about Harrell is that he showed up to camp overweight and he could barely finish the line drills. That shows me that he is not driven bur hopefully that will only happen this year.

[Fritz]

I knew Jamaal Reynolds, Sir, and Harrell is no Jamaal Reynolds.

Relax. Is Bowe better at this point than James Jones? Me, I'm in the I'd-a-rather-had-a-good-corner. But who? Leon Hall was gone, wasn't he? And I'm still not a big Greg Olsen fan, as far as TE's go.

Man. Give Harrell a year, at least. As someone else noted, TT's first draft is looking better and better with every passing game.

Hall was still there. He went two picks later to the Bengals. He's been toasted a golden brown this season. He's a rookie, like Harrell.

I'm in Harrell's camp. in fact, this is the first time I've ever disagreed with Nutz about a lineman. DL is our deepest personnel group. We've got 11 DL's and Harrell is #11.

Give him time. A torn bicep takes a long time to heal. He needs time in an NFL weight room to bloom. As many have said, he's not in shape. He's a rook and had no idea what an NFL camp is like for a DL. No way he'll show up with such weak cardio next season.

As many have said, he should have known better, but 23 yr olds are funny that way. This kid has shown me some flashes in the pre-season. I think he can actually be a special guy for us. He could be a run stuffer that provides pass rush if he develops properly. That is worth gold to any D Coordinator.

A year of lifting, showing up with good wind, and having NFL reps will make a world of difference with this kid.

I really think he can be a big thing.

For some reason (age?) I thought Hall went to the Jets. But in any case I wasn't a huge fan of his after his senior season. He had a great junior season, the went backwards. And now, apparently, he is toasty.

I'm down with most of TT's moves, and I think he's done enough to earn my trust. Give Harrell a year, and we'll see. It's fine with me.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Everybody is posting "if Harrell is good next year everything will be fine." Or worse yet, "if he is an all-pro in three years, it will be a good pick."

What a forum full of nitwits.

If Robert Fergusson is an all-pro in three years, that decision to cut him will sure be a bad one. If BJack is good next season, he will be a good 2nd round pick. If I win the lottery I'll surely get laid.

Maybe it's premature to evaluate Harrell based on what he's shown so far. But at least it's dealing with reality.

[KYPack]

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Hall was still there. He went two picks later to the Bengals. He's been toasted a golden brown this season. He's a rookie, like Harrell.

I'm in Harrell's camp. in fact, this is the first time I've ever disagreed with Nutz about a lineman. DL is our deepest personnel group. We've got 11 DL's and Harrell is #11.

Give him time. A torn bicep takes a long time to heal. He needs time in an NFL weight room to bloom. As many have said, he's not in shape. He's a rook and had no idea what an NFL camp is like for a DL. No way he'll show up with such weak cardio next season.

As many have said, he should have known better, but 23 yr olds are funny that way. This kid has shown me some flashes in the pre-season. I think he can actually be a special guy for us. He could be a run stuffer that provides pass rush if he develops properly. That is worth gold to any D Coordinator.

A year of lifting, showing up with good wind, and having NFL reps will make a world of difference with this kid.

I really think he can be a big thing.

For some reason (age?) I thought Hall went to the Jets. But in any case I wasn't a huge fan of his after his senior season. He had a great junior season, the went backwards. And now, apparently, he is toasty.

I'm down with most of TT's moves, and I think he's done enough to earn my trust. Give Harrell a year, and we'll see. It's fine with me.

Hall would've been a good pick for us & we would have been a much better situation for him. Playing behind our two old sages at corner and playing a little nickel is exactly what Hall needs. The Bengals were hurtin' at corner and tossed Hall to the wolves by starting him. He was no Craig Newsome or Mike McKenzie and was skinned alive right away. Hope the kid turns it around, he can be a very good player.

[Maxie the Taxi]

What a forum full of nitwits.

Harlan, is this you playing 2nd violin...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZREwWi8eQQ

[Scott Campbell]

Everybody is posting "if Harrell is good next year everything will be fine." Or worse yet, "if he is an all-pro in three years, it will be a good pick."

What a forum full of nitwits.

If Robert Fergusson is an all-pro in three years, that decision to cut him will sure be a bad one. If BJack is good next season, he will be a good 2nd round pick. If I win the lottery I'll surely get laid.

Maybe it's premature to evaluate Harrell based on what he's shown so far. But at least it's dealing with reality.

I have no idea what you could be talking about. What reality? Were 3-0, and I don't see anyone asking us to forfeit those games just becasue Harrell isn't yet playing. Do you want to assess Ted with a final grade based on Harrell not playing yet? Is that really, really important to you? What for? Why? What would that accomplish? Would you like to cut Harrell?

I don't see how anybody elses opinion is any more nitwitted than yours.

[Carolina_Packer]

Everybody is posting "if Harrell is good next year everything will be fine." Or worse yet, "if he is an all-pro in three years, it will be a good pick."

What a forum full of nitwits.

If Robert Fergusson is an all-pro in three years, that decision to cut him will sure be a bad one. If BJack is good next season, he will be a good 2nd round pick. If I win the lottery I'll surely get laid.

Maybe it's premature to evaluate Harrell based on what he's shown so far. But at least it's dealing with reality.

The master of potential!

[Carolina_Packer]

JH, you're a good dude, and I like being positive too, but don't give TT a free pass on everything. Yes, there is nothing we can directly do about his decisions, but this forum gives people an opportunity to vent. I don't think things are all or nothing, like saying "You're either with us or against us". That's too extreme.

Just because someone dissects a draft, or analyzes a particular pick does not mean they are trashing the GM, or his draft, or even Justin Harrell the player. I think some would argue, and the way it has developed during OTA's and training camp and the first three games, one could argue that if the Packers had used #16 to select another player who could have addressed a more immediate need, that would have been better in the short term. You have to at least see the logic in that argument, because it cannot be argued that Harrell is helping us in the short term.

I don't think anyone is trashing Harrell in this thread, and I do agree that it's strange that he has not been active as a first rounder. Let's just use active as a standard, not even impactful. I think people associate first rounder with most ready to play/contribute. Is that way off base? I don't think so. The degree to which they contribute is a wide gap; some do way more than others. Perhaps it just setup differently for Harrell, being in a deep, more cometetive group, but then, I think people expected him to distinguish himself from the group and so far he has not. That said, they do have the luxury of sitting him, letting him heal and develop on the practice field, and perhaps in order to pay for potential talent on the DL, you have to spend a first round pick, even if it is a short-term loss in immediate help.

I am not comparing him to Jamal Reynolds because it's waaay too early for that, but when you were watching Jamal Reynolds, didn't you ever think to yourself, "where is the talent? where are the signs of him being worth a first rounder?" I'm sure that was asked regularly, and then I'm sure JR just lost all confidence and faded into oblivion as a player. Again, I'm not saying that's what is or will happen to JH. Have we been able to see flashes or indications of why he was worthy of being a first rounder? I think that's a worthwhile question and people shouldn't be called negative for asking.

So, the worthwhile comments/questions are:

1) Is he showing signs of being worth a first rounder? So far, the jury is out.

2) Would someone else have been more immediately impactful to the 2007 Packers? Probably so.

I don't think debating either of those questions makes someone negative, or against TT.

[Harlan Huckleby]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZREwWi8eQQ

those are some old school nitwits alright. a lot of stamina for older gents, I've seen shorter grateful dead concerts.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Most of them are grateful they're not dead.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Were 3-0, and I don't see anyone asking us to forfeit those games just becasue Harrell isn't yet playing. Do you want to assess Ted with a final grade based on Harrell not playing yet?

focus, SC, focus. We are taking measure of Harrell. What do the team's record, or TT's overall performance have to do with this topic?

My point is simple: grading Harrell by saying "he might be great in the future" is nitwittian.

Note: I am not going to respond to any posts in the future that refer to Thompson as "Ted".

[HarveyWallbangers]

My point is simple: grading Harrell by saying "he might be great in the future" is nitwittian.

Who is grading him? I think those that say he might be great in a couple of years are saying you can't grade him yet.